Why Evolution is True

[AV1611VET]

Depends what part of the bible one follows and what their interpretation of the same is.

I can't argue that.

If they followed It the way scientists here interpret It, we would:

1. be burning witches
2. marching off on crusades
3. be flat earthers
4. be geocentric
5. be trying to cure diseases with avian blood
6. be miracle deniers

 

[bhsmte]

I can't argue that.

If they followed It the way scientists here interpret It, we would:

1. be burning witches
2. marching off on crusades
3. be flat earthers
4. be geocentric
5. be trying to cure diseases with avian blood
6. be miracle deniers

Yea well, I don't think there are a lot of scientists out there attempting to interpret the bible, other than reading the words.

Scientists, usually leave the thousands of creative interpretations and those who rely on the book who come up with them, to create the right interpretation that suits their fancy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yea well, I don't think there are a lot of scientists out there attempting to interpret the bible,

I strongly disagree.

... other than reading the words.

Whatever that means.

 

[bhsmte]

I strongly disagree.

Whatever that means.

I guess the bottom line AV is this:

Are you allowed to adhere to your own interpretation of the bible?

If so, I don't know what your problem is, since many Christian's themselves have different interpretations than you.

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess the bottom line AV is this:

Are you allowed to adhere to your own interpretation of the bible?

If so, I don't know what your problem is, since many Christian's themselves have different interpretations than you.

I said "scientists" -- I didn't say "Christians."

And I don't believe we would need laws to protect a society if everyone followed the Bible correctly.*

Just as (I assume) you believe we would need laws to protect a society if everyone followed the Bible correctly.**

* Using what I think is the correct interpretation

** Using what you think is the correct interpretation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I can't argue that.

If they followed It the way scientists here interpret It, we would:

1. be burning witches
2. marching off on crusades
3. be flat earthers
4. be geocentric
5. be trying to cure diseases with avian blood
6. be miracle deniers

You mean, doing the things that Christians did in the past because the Bible told them so...

 

[TLK Valentine]

I said "scientists" -- I didn't say "Christians."

And I don't believe we would need laws to protect a society if everyone followed the Bible correctly.*

Just as (I assume) you believe we would need laws to protect a society if everyone followed the Bible correctly.**

* Using what I think is the correct interpretation

** Using what you think is the correct interpretation.

Except the Bible has laws in it -- if people followed it, they would need laws after all.

 

[bhsmte]

I said "scientists" -- I didn't say "Christians."

And I don't believe we would need laws to protect a society if everyone followed the Bible correctly.*

Just as (I assume) you believe we would need laws to protect a society if everyone followed the Bible correctly.**

* Using what I think is the correct interpretation

** Using what you think is the correct interpretation.

Since I believe the bible is mixed with good morality and bad morality, I don't know what you mean by; "following the bible correctly".

I would imagine others would disagree with you on what following the bible correctly means and those would include Christians.

And what do you care what scientists think of the bible? It has no impact on your ability to interpret it as you wish. If you can tell science to take a hike, only seems fair some scientists can say the bible can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean, doing the things that Christians did in the past because the Bible told them so...

Yes.

Evidently scientists here believe they did it with respect to the Bible, rather than what I believe, which is: in spite of the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except the Bible has laws in it -- if people followed it, they would need laws after all.

All the law is wrapped up into two rules:

The Royal Law & the Shema.

So yes, you're correct.

The trick is getting scientists to agree; and most wouldn't on principle.

 

[dad]

You mean, doing the things that Christians did in the past because the Bible told them so...

OK, so heres the thing...no one can follow the law written in Scripture..the commandments. So no one can pass laws to make them. There will be no man made utopia or state that is like heaven.
I would think that it is advisable for wicked nations to at least try to allign their laws to the great standard of God's word. However I won't hold my breath. Those nations that did try like ancient Israel, seemed to fail in a big way. Look at the US today, a country that apparently made some effort in that direction also...the Democratic platform is the Antithesis (as John Macatrhur pointed pointed out some time ago) of Romans 1.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes.

Evidently scientists here believe they did it with respect to the Bible, rather than what I believe, which is: in spite of the Bible.

Well, far be it for me or anyone else to deny you your right to be wrong.

 

[TLK Valentine]

All the law is wrapped up into two rules:

The Royal Law & the Shema.

So yes, you're correct.

The trick is getting scientists to agree; and most wouldn't on principle.

Actually, the trick would be to get someone to interpret and probably more crucially, enforce those laws.

And the kind of people who are the most gung ho about them are the ones who really shouldn't be put in charge... on principle.

 

[TLK Valentine]

OK, so heres the thing...no one can follow the law written in Scripture..the commandments. So no one can pass laws to make them. There will be no man made utopia or state that is like heaven.

Of curse not -- as long as we're in this world, free will gets in the way.

I would think that it is advisable for wicked nations to at least try to allign their laws to the great standard of God's word. However I won't hold my breath.

Well, they're certainly not going to try something that you've already admitted is impossible -- it's a rigged game from the start, designed to engender helplessness and dependency.

Those nations that did try like ancient Israel, seemed to fail in a big way.

Including Israel itself.

Look at the US today, a country that apparently made some effort in that direction also...the Democratic platform is the Antithesis (as John Macatrhur pointed pointed out some time ago) of Romans 1.

And you think cheapening God's message by wielding it (clumsily) as a political tool is an improvement?

 

[dad]

Of curse not -- as long as we're in this world, free will gets in the way.

OK. But I daresay it is more than free will, it is sin, and free will. Free will used right, (like in heaven) and in the right place is fine.

Well, they're certainly not going to try something that you've already admitted is impossible -- it's a rigged game from the start, designed to engender helplessness and dependency.

No, it was to show we needed salvation! It showed we could not do it ourselves.

Including Israel itself.

That was the point. Glad you caught it.

And you think cheapening God's message by wielding it (clumsily) as a political tool is an improvement?

His word actually is a great tool to measure wicked men and nations. When they overtly have a platform that is opposite of His word, that tells us a lot.

 

[createdtoworship]

Murder is usually considered as a unlawful killing so it is a legal term, not a moral one. If a killing is not unlawful then it is not murder.

I have seen several times attempts to find a universal law, something that all societies or cultures would follow.

So far this search has been unsuccessful. No behavior could be found that was not approved of or at least not condemned by some culture somewhere at some time.

Interesting subject,

Dizfredux

so basically your morality is voted in.

And thats it huh?

pretty shallow indeed.

No further questions your honor.

 

[createdtoworship]

Vendetta? Paranoid much? I am pointing out that you do not read what you respond ...All that I am asking is that you read before responding.

Dizredux

yes it is a vendetta. and it was derailing the thread.

(I do the best to keep on track, when it gets mean and stuffy, best to get back to the op)

talking about morality is nicer than picking and poking at other posters so I rerouted the conversations.

you pick.

 

[stevevw]

I can't argue that.

If they followed It the way scientists here interpret It, we would:

1. be burning witches
2. marching off on crusades
3. be flat earthers
4. be geocentric
5. be trying to cure diseases with avian blood
6. be miracle deniers

All the above are man made interpretations of what they think religion should be like. The best way to follow the bible is to follow the teachings of Jesus. He is the fulfillment of the old testament and the completion of the law. There is nothing more to add or take away. If we use this as our guideline then there will be no problems and there will be harmony and peace throughout the world. Jesus is the way the truth and the life.

The burning of witches and the crusades are all pagan beliefs just like the idols of the roman days and the Greek Gods and other false beliefs. In ancient times people thought different and had a lack of awareness with time. So they thought strange things like the earth was flat and people were possessed if they had epilepsy. But through all the ages of time there has been Christians who have followed Jesus and have thought more or less the same way. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why is it wrong to kill?

What law, if not the Bible....tells you that it is wrong?

If you need a book to tell you murder is wrong, then I sure am glad you managed to find it so you didn't go on a killing rampage. Because, you know, it apparently isn't possible to have morals come from some other source, such as parents, role models, heck even instinct to an extent seeing as humans are social animals and directly benefit from behaviors which facilitate social harmony.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you need a book to tell you murder is wrong, then I sure am glad you managed to find it so you didn't go on a killing rampage.

Okay with you if God puts it in writing that murder is wrong?

I don't know what country you're from, but here in America, we have it on what we call our "law books" that murder is wrong.

Maybe one day you scientists will be able to teach those in jurisprudence that we don't need documentation; but until then ...