Why Evolution is True

[Only Me]

It doesn't matter what I see. God saw. God dealt with the poor guy. Harshly. Severely. David was never a sinless saint. Yet God honored him extremely, greatly. From his live was to come the forever King, the eternal ruler. The throne of David will always be here, and so will David! I for one am glad that he leaned stuff. That makes for a kinder gentler, wiser, better person. This thing was never about pretending to be a goody two shoes.

When did this guy you are talking about die? how many thousand years?

 

[Vergil10]

It doesn't matter what I see. God saw. God dealt with the poor guy. Harshly. Severely. David was never a sinless saint. Yet God honored him extremely, greatly. From his live was to come the forever King, the eternal ruler. The throne of David will always be here, and so will David! I for one am glad that he leaned stuff. That makes for a kinder gentler, wiser, better person. This thing was never about pretending to be a goody two shoes.

wait a minute...are you saying murder and adultery, was a learning experience????

 

[PsychoSarah]

It doesn't matter what I see. God saw. God dealt with the poor guy. Harshly. Severely. David was never a sinless saint. Yet God honored him extremely, greatly. From his live was to come the forever King, the eternal ruler. The throne of David will always be here, and so will David! I for one am glad that he leaned stuff. That makes for a kinder gentler, wiser, better person. This thing was never about pretending to be a goody two shoes.

We shouldn't have to pretend, why on earth are you defending these actions? Punishment doesn't bring the guy who died back to life, it doesn't undo the violation of his wife. In case you haven't noticed, punishing the criminal, even when god does it, doesn't undo the damage, even though god is perfectly capable of doing that.

 

[dad]

wait a minute...are you saying murder and adultery, was a learning experience????

Yes. Of course.

 

[dad]

When did this guy you are talking about die? how many thousand years?

'This guy'? You don't know about king David??

 

[dad]

We shouldn't have to pretend, why on earth are you defending these actions?

The actions were judged by God. I would have suggested David did not lust after another man's woman, and have the guy killed. But since he did, he had to suffer for it.

Punishment doesn't bring the guy who died back to life, it doesn't undo the violation of his wife.

No, it doesn't, But let's hope those guys learned to forgive. Let's hope they also were forgiven whatever horrible sins they did, but that didn't make it to the record!

In case you haven't noticed, punishing the criminal, even when god does it, doesn't undo the damage, even though god is perfectly capable of doing that.

This life is not about having all our damage undone. Maybe the next?! This life, I would suspect, may be more about learning to deal with the damages of sin, and learn anyhow.

 

[Vergil10]

Yes. Of course.

im speechless

 

[stevevw]

well the guy i responded to said he was after god's heart, but he seems to have placed his own desires ahead of god. even you have to admit killing a man to marry said man's wife is not something a good man does.

No its not but then I guess its what makes a good man. One that never sins or says they never sin or one that may have sinned and repents. The point was David had a heart that was after God so when he did sin he became fully aware and could live with it. A christian isn't perfect and its the growing awareness of sin in their life and making the changes to minimize and stop that sin. Its not something that is repeated and continued. It is a changing and improving thing in becoming more like Christ. David wrote 1/2 the psalms in the bible and has many on repentance. He acknowledge His sin before God and couldn't live with himself when he had failed God. He followed Gods laws and believed in God with his whole heart to the point where he had no fear with God on his side.

 

[Vergil10]

No its not but then I guess its what makes a good man. One that never sins or says they never sin or one that may have sinned and repents. The point was David had a heart that was after God so when he did sin he became fully aware and could live with it. A christian isn't perfect and its the growing awareness of sin in their life and making the changes to minimize and stop that sin. Its not something that is repeated and continued. It is a changing and improving thing in becoming more like Christ. David wrote 1/2 the psalms in the bible and has many on repentance. He acknowledge His sin before God and couldn't live with himself when he had failed God. He followed Gods laws and believed in God with his whole heart to the point where he had no fear with God on his side.

if I am understanding you, you are arguing that murder was wrong, but acknowledging that it was wrong and not repeating it made up for it. While I agree that being able to acknowledge one's flaws and improve on them is a good trait to have, I'd say that, in the case of murder, most realize that the act is wrong before they ever commit it. as a result the acknowledgment falls short of redemption. I am sorry if i failed to understand your point.

 

[stevevw]

if I am understanding you, you are arguing that murder was wrong, but acknowledging that it was wrong and not repeating it made up for it. While I agree that being able to acknowledge one's flaws and improve on them is a good trait to have, I'd say that, in the case of murder, most realize that the act is wrong before they ever commit it. as a result the acknowledgment falls short of redemption. I am sorry if i failed to understand your point.

No thats OK its probably me. My grammar was never a strong point. I am not saying it makes up for it as an excuse though and it certainly wont undo the damage that has been done. But its not just acknowledging it that a person wont repeat it. Its a deep seated acknowledgement of what you have done before God and repenting with actions to make up for it. But the first step is to admit the wrong. Then a person can at least see they have a problem. I think when a person truly sees what they have done before God this in itself has a profound impact and its like you see yourself for who you are and what you have done. There is no hiding and this can have a great effect on how you behave and act in the future. Sometimes that may take a bit of doing as there maybe denial. But it seems with David that He realized and felt very sorry and repented.

There can be intent in committing murder and this is something we have in our justice system with degrees of intent. It seems Davids was a passion crime and the fact that he could order it to be done as he was in a powerful position. There have been kings that have killed many just because they could. So even though its no excuse and they probably have more accountability, power can easily be corrupted.

 

[createdtoworship]

Why is it wrong to kill?

What law, if not the Bible....tells you that it is wrong?

 

[StormanNorman]

Why is it wrong to kill?

What law, if not the Bible....tells you that it is wrong?

Why the Bible? In most countries, it is against the law to kill ..... even the non-Christian countries ....

 

[Vergil10]

No thats OK its probably me. My grammar was never a strong point. I am not saying it makes up for it as an excuse though and it certainly wont undo the damage that has been done. But its not just acknowledging it that a person wont repeat it. Its a deep seated acknowledgement of what you have done before God and repenting with actions to make up for it. But the first step is to admit the wrong. Then a person can at least see they have a problem. I think when a person truly sees what they have done before God this in itself has a profound impact and its like you see yourself for who you are and what you have done. There is no hiding and this can have a great effect on how you behave and act in the future. Sometimes that may take a bit of doing as there maybe denial. But it seems with David that He realized and felt very sorry and repented.

There can be intent in committing murder and this is something we have in our justice system with degrees of intent. It seems Davids was a passion crime and the fact that he could order it to be done as he was in a powerful position. There have been kings that have killed many just because they could. So even though its no excuse and they probably have more accountability, power can easily be corrupted.

oh! okay, i think i understand what you mean now. i suppose i would agree with that.

 

[Vergil10]

Why is it wrong to kill?

What law, if not the Bible....tells you that it is wrong?

i was raised in a christian household, my morals have not changed much overtime but i get my morals from logic and reason.

 

[dad]

im speechless

No problem. But if we think about it, if our lives have a purpose, that purpose, in a sinful world, would have to include learning from mistakes and sins.

 

[dad]

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

Try both, each in it's own time and place.

As for me, my opinion is that David was cool even with the terrible sins he committed. This shows God works with sinners. If He can save David, you should be easy, no?

 

[stevevw]

oh! okay, i think i understand what you mean now. i suppose i would agree with that.

Yeah like I said my grammar is not the best. that is why I probably write so much as I keep thinking I havnt explained myself well enough so I repeat things in a different way to hammer the point home.

 

[Vergil10]

No problem. But if we think about it, if our lives have a purpose, that purpose, in a sinful world, would have to include learning from mistakes and sins.

i am...not sure murder would teach you a life lesson...........also if you really think about it, there really doesn't have to be a purpose to life.

 

[dad]

i am...not sure murder would teach you a life lesson...........also if you really think about it, there really doesn't have to be a purpose to life.

Yes, God did not create life here for some short term random hellish drift fest.

Murder did help teach David plenty, as did adultery. God's lessons and judments are better than gold.

 

[Vergil10]

Yes, God did not create life here for some short term random hellish drift fest.

Murder did help teach David plenty, as did adultery. God's lessons and judgments are better than gold.

but wouldn't you say thoes lessons could have been learned WITHOUT murder taking place? i would really like to know, what lessons he learned from this that he could have only learned that way?