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I have hardly come to this forum, and some others that are with a like issue, as I know it involves debating that God is there with those unbelievers coming here to argue that there is no evidence of God, and especially that God is Yahweh, with believers who are in these forums. I don't quite understand it. Why after all come to Christian forums, to argue this with believers, when nobody's mind is going to be changed? Why not communicate that somewhere else? Believers here might be led to argue with each of you who says there isn't such evidence with how there is evidence, but would those of you doing that listen and openly consider it, rather than just dismiss or deny all of it? The real answer I think to give to you that are involved in that is that you have yet to even ask God to make the presence of God known to you. If you won't have any faith to put in God who makes each and all of us, God won't have any relationship with you, and it will be a barrier to seeing any evidence of God. There is then only answers to be found in creatures or from what may be found from creation. Christ made the way for access, to know of God and more about God. But with not wanting anything of that, it seems there is fruitless pursuit coming to Christian forums to have discussion with questioning God.

I have communicated in several pagan forums. They generally make mention of the spiritual and God illegal in their forums, claiming it is not 'science' basically, at least in my experience. The soul winners for Satan have an easy time of it there, to appear to know what they are talking about since they 'have the floor'. Like a lion seeking whom it may devour, they tend to prey on the weak of faith.
On a Christian forum, they tend to be somewhat more in check, but relentlessly attempt to cast doubts on God and His word, and creation, and belittle believers as much as they can get away with, many of them. It is not so much about a seeking for truth, but a con game and deception and attempt to cause some weak ones to stumble. They seem to feel some inner unexplained inspiration and drive to sow division and doubt.
Maybe I am missing something? They sure offer pathetic resistance when it comes to actual discussion of evidences and the basis for claims from science regarding creation issues! Like a paper tiger. So...why else would they be here...?

Why? Because Scientists and Rational people are tired if religious people Spreading Ignorance in schools and the world.

Not all forums want to debate about Theology.
Not all pagan forums ban the talk of God either. It's funny how you demonize them for believing in a different religion, typical bigoted Christians.
No, we're here because it's pure comedy gold.
The fact that you can't see a Fallacy in creation ideology is amazing, let alone Intelligent Design.
The only people who are fools are the ones who believe the world are 6000 years old.

There is then admitted retaliation, although involving believers who have nothing to do with any teaching going on at a school. From that perspective there is accusation of spreading ignorance, dismissive of any informed studies with that. The alleged ignorance is just any disagreement with the same positions. Who demonizes who? There is admission that the only reason the unbelievers post in this Christian forum to argue against believing God's presence is for humor for themselves, and no one is convincing anyone. Yet this is with calling those seeing intelligent design in all the great complexities around and such of even ourselves fools.

Weren't there rules to agree to when joining the forum? This is in Christian forums, and just about all believers see this design, to greater or lesser extent. And I raised a question, which is on some level a challenge, though I don't have expectations for it to happen. You have not yet asked God who made you, providing good things because of caring for you, to be shown God's real presence. Why not? I say there would then just be desire that God would not truly be existing, with nothing then to show God does exist, and it is that strong so nothing contrary is expected. I am not talking of making a sarcastic challenge for a miracle for your own benefit, as if God was something else if existing, other than sovereign God, and that you can just bargain the deals. God being truly God does not owe you that. It is your heart that must be ready to respond rightly to God.
 
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What you continually ignore is that the only thing that evolution has to produce is new species in order to produce the biodiversity we see today. Genera are human inventions and are not real objective things. Humans decide which species belong to which genera, and they don't use objective criteria. We could just as easily put humans and all other apes in a single genus as we could all in different genera. There is nothing stopping us from putting humans and chimps in the same genus.

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taxonomy is a human invention but based on scientific compatibility
 
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There is then admitted retaliation, although involving believers who have nothing to do with any teaching going on at a school. From that perspective there is accusation of spreading ignorance, dismissive of any informed studies with that. The alleged ignorance is just any disagreement with the same positions. Who demonizes who? There is admission that the only reason the unbelievers post in this Christian forum to argue against believing God's presence is for humor for themselves, and no one is convincing anyone. Yet this is with calling those seeing intelligent design in all the great complexities around and such of even ourselves fools.

Those who do not wish to see good science removed from the classroom because of unfounded religious beliefs are the ones who post here.

You have not yet asked God who made you, providing good things because of caring for you, to be shown God's real presence. Why not?

I asked my parents, and they said they were very involved in making me.
 
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thats very true, it's just the miller-urey didn't do what it set out to do.

They did exactly what they set out to do. There were able to produce organic molecules in an abiotic environment. They were able to produce complex biomolecules from simple chemicals.
 
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if casey luskin states misinformation (not being a scientist), this should be all the more motivation for you to actually respond the the details of what he said, not blow it off. You give no proof of anything other than your opinion.

A fish with features found in terrestrial tetrapods is a transitional fossil. That is what every single scientist with expertise has said. A lawyer saying, "Nuh uh" is not a valid response.
 
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A fish with features found in terrestrial tetrapods is a transitional fossil. That is what every single scientist with expertise has said. A lawyer saying, "Nuh uh" is not a valid response.

he replied to your exact comment, succinctly and accurately. He didn't say "nuhuh". You should read it, in fact I will repost it:


tiktaalik is a fish as the name signifies:



"This new fish fossil doesn't seem to add much--if anything--to bridge the gap between fish fins and tetrapod limbs. In fact, if anything, the fin of Panderichthys appears closer to a true tetrapod limb than does the fin of Tiktaalik"

states casey luskin regarding this secular image found at evolution news and views:

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also more evidence to show tiktaalik was simply a fish from AIG:

Whatever else we might say about Tiktaalik, it is a fish. In a review article on Tiktaalik (appearing in the same issue of the scientific journal Nature that reported the discovery of Tiktaalik), fish evolution experts, Ahlberg and Clack concede that “in some respects Tiktaalik and Panderichthys are straightforward fishes: they have small pelvic fins, retain fin rays in their paired appendages and have well-developed gill arches, suggesting that both animals remained mostly aquatic.” 5

In other respects, however, Ahlberg and Clack argue that Tiktaalik is more tetrapod-like than Panderichthys because “the bony gill cover has disappeared, and the skull has a longer snout.” The authors weakly suggest that the significance of all this is that “a longer snout suggests a shift from sucking towards snapping up prey, whereas the loss of gill cover bones probably correlates with reduced water flow through the gill chamber. The ribs also seem larger in Tiktaalik, which may mean it was better able to support its body out of water.”

Without the author’s evolutionary bias, of course, there is no reason to assume that Tiktaalik was anything other than exclusively aquatic. And how do we know that Tiktaalik lost its gill cover as opposed to never having one? The longer snout and lack of bony gill covers (found in many other exclusively-aquatic living fish) are interpreted as indicating a reduced flow of water through the gills, which, in turn, is declared to be suggestive of partial air-breathing—but this is quite a stretch. Finally, what does any of this have to do with fish evolving into land dwelling tetrapods?

Are the pectoral fins of Tiktaalik really legs?

Before we get into Tiktaalik’s “legs,” it might be instructive to consider an old trick question. If we call our arms “legs,” then how many legs would we have? The answer, of course, is two legs—just because we call our arms “legs” doesn’t make them legs. The same might be said of the bony fins of Crossopterygian fish—we may call them “legs” but that doesn’t necessarily make them legs.

Shubin et al. make much of the claim that Tiktaalik’s bony fins show a reduction in dermal bone and an increase in endochondral bone.6 This is important to them because the limb bones of tetrapods are entirely endochondral. They further claim that the cleithrum (a dermal bone to which the pectoral fin is attached in fish) is detached from the skull, resembling the position of the scapula (shoulder blade) of a tetrapod. They also claim that the endochondral bones of the fin are more similar to those of a tetrapod in terms of structure and range of motion. However, none of this, if true, proves that Tiktaalik’s fins supported its weight out of water, or that it was capable of a true walking motion. (It certainly doesn’t prove that these fish evolved into tetrapods.)

The limbs of tetrapods

The limbs of tetrapods share similar characteristic features. These unique features meet the special demands of walking on land. In the case of the forelimbs there is one bone nearest the body (proximal) called the humerus that articulates (flexibly joins) with two bones, the radius and ulna, further away from the body (distal). These in turn articulate with multiple wrist bones, which finally articulate with typically five digits. The hind limbs similarly consist of one proximal bone, the femur, which articulates with two distal bones, the tibia and fibula, which in turn articulate with ankle bones; and finally with typically five digits. In order to support the weight of the body on land, and permit walking, the most proximal bones of the limbs must be securely attached to the rest of the body. The humerus of the forelimb articulates with the pectoral girdle which includes the scapula (shoulder blade) and the clavicle (collar bone). The only bony attachment of the pectoral girdle to the body is the clavicle.

The femur of the hind limb articulates with the pelvic girdle, which consists of fused bones collectively called the pelvis (hip bone). It is this hind limb—with its robust pelvic girdle securely attached to the vertebral column—that differs radically from that of any fish. (The tetrapod arrangement is important for bearing the weight of the animal on land.)

All tetrapod limb bones and their attachment girdles are endochondral bones. In the case of all fish, including Tiktaalik, the cleithrum and fin rays are dermal bones.

It is significant that the “earliest” true tetrapods recognized by evolutionists (such as Acanthostega and Ichthyostega) have all of the distinguishing features of tetrapod limbs (and their attachment girdles) and were clearly capable of walking and breathing on land. The structural differences between the tetrapod leg and the fish fin is easily understood when we realize that the buoyant density of water is about a thousand times greater than that of air. A fish has no need to support much of its weight in water where it is essentially weightless.

The fins of fish (including Tiktaalik)

Essentially all fish (including Tiktaalik) have small pelvic fins relative to their pectoral fins. The legs of tetrapods are just the opposite: the hind limbs attached to the pelvic girdle are almost always more robust than the fore limbs attached to the pectoral girdle. (This is particularly obvious in animals such as kangaroos and theropod dinosaurs.) Not only are the pelvic fins of all fish small, but they’re not even attached to the axial skeleton (vertebral column) and thus can’t bear weight on land.

While the endochondral bones in the pectoral fins of Crossopterygians have some similarity to bones in the fore limbs of tetrapods, there are significant differences. For example, there is nothing even remotely comparable to the digits in any fish. The bony rays of fish fins are dermal bones that are not related in any way to digits in their structure, function or mode of development. Clearly, fin rays are relatively fragile and unsuitable for actual walking and weight bearing.

Even the smaller endochondral bones in the distal fin of Tiktaalik are not related to digits. Ahlberg and Clack point out that “although these small distal bones bear some resemblance to tetrapod digits in terms of their function and range of movement, they are still very much components of a fin. There remains a large morphological gap between them and digits as seen in, for example Acanthostega: if the digits evolved from these distal bones, the process must have involved considerable developmental rearranging.”


above section from:

https://answersingenesis.org/extinct-animals/tiktaalik-and-the-fishy-story-of-walking-fish-part-2/
 
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. . . . Ahlberg and Clack point out that “although these small distal bones bear some resemblance to tetrapod digits in terms of their function and range of movement, they are still very much components of a fin. There remains a large morphological gap between them and digits as seen in, for example Acanthostega: if the digits evolved from these distal bones, the process must have involved considerable developmental rearranging.”


above section from:

https://answersingenesis.org/extinct-animals/tiktaalik-and-the-fishy-story-of-walking-fish-part-2/

So, in other words, tiktaalik was only an intermediate and there was lots of evolution afterwards?

Isn't that what we've been trying to say was the case for tiktaalik all along?
 
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Weren't there rules to agree to when joining the forum? This is in Christian forums, and just about all believers see this design, to greater or lesser extent. And I raised a question, which is on some level a challenge, though I don't have expectations for it to happen. You have not yet asked God who made you, providing good things because of caring for you, to be shown God's real presence. Why not? I say there would then just be desire that God would not truly be existing, with nothing then to show God does exist, and it is that strong so nothing contrary is expected. I am not talking of making a sarcastic challenge for a miracle for your own benefit, as if God was something else if existing, other than sovereign God, and that you can just bargain the deals. God being truly God does not owe you that. It is your heart that must be ready to respond rightly to God.
Sorry I can't buy it any more than you can buy any other religious myth, you saying God is God means less than nothing.
 
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There is then admitted retaliation, although involving believers who have nothing to do with any teaching going on at a school.
Wrong, Creationists and Christians want Creation to be taught at schools.

From that perspective there is accusation of spreading ignorance, dismissive of any informed studies with that. The alleged ignorance is just any disagreement with the same positions.
Except one has evidence and the other Ignores them.

Who demonizes who? There is admission that the only reason the unbelievers post in this Christian forum to argue against believing God's presence is for humor for themselves, and no one is convincing anyone. Yet this is with calling those seeing intelligent design in all the great complexities around and such of even ourselves fools.
Who Demonizes who? Christians Demonizing Pagans and other religions such as Dad did.

Because Intelligent Design people are Fools you believe the world is 6thousand years old. This is why people laugh at Creationists.


Weren't there rules to agree to when joining the forum? This is in Christian forums, and just about all believers see this design, to greater or lesser extent. And I raised a question, which is on some level a challenge, though I don't have expectations for it to happen. You have not yet asked God who made you, providing good things because of caring for you, to be shown God's real presence. Why not? I say there would then just be desire that God would not truly be existing, with nothing then to show God does exist, and it is that strong so nothing contrary is expected. I am not talking of making a sarcastic challenge for a miracle for your own benefit, as if God was something else if existing, other than sovereign God, and that you can just bargain the deals. God being truly God does not owe you that. It is your heart that must be ready to respond rightly to God.

No, these forums are open to everybody. Easily don't stop trying to spread ignorance at Schools and attacking Science than people might not have to respond or Defend so Extensively.
 
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Wrong, Creationists and Christians want Creation to be taught at schools.
You left out an important word.

We want Creation to be taught back at schools.
This is why people laugh at Creationists.
People laughed at Jesus too, didn't they?

People laughed at Francis Kelsey too, didn't they?
 
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You left out an important word.

We want Creation to be taught back at schools.

People laughed at Jesus too, didn't they?

People laughed at Francis Kelsey too, didn't they?

They're reasons why Creation isn't taught in the top schools in the world. Because it teaches Scientific Illiteracy, something you're unable to comprehend.

For different reasons, People laugh and Creationists because you are unintelligent in the field of Science and unable to see that the world is more than 6000 years old despite a tremendous amount of Evidence.
 
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They're reasons why Creation isn't taught in the top schools in the world.
You got that right! :thumbsup:
Because it teaches Scientific Illiteracy, something you're unable to comprehend.
There wouldn't be as much science to teach today, if it wasn't for our past professors, who also professed Creationism.
For different reasons, People laugh and Creationists because you are unintelligent in the field of Science ...
Speaking of intelligence, isn't proofreading within the art of amanuensis?
... and unable to see that the world is more than 6000 years old despite a tremendous amount of Evidence.
Speaking of "unable to see," just how old have you seen me say this earth is physically?
 
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There wouldn't be as much science to teach today, if it wasn't for our past professors, who also professed Creationism.
Which many Scientists recognize but now see things differently due to a more Enlightened age.

Speaking of "unable to see," just how old have you seen me say this earth is physically?

So how old do you think the earth is?
 
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You left out an important word.

We want Creation to be taught back at schools.

How is that important?

People laughed at Jesus too, didn't they?

People laughed at Francis Kelsey too, didn't they?

People laughed at Bozo the Clown, didn't they?
 
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There wouldn't be as much science to teach today, if it wasn't for our past professors, who also professed Creationism.

Gotta love it when people learn from past mistakes

Speaking of intelligence, isn't proofreading within the art of amanuensis?

Isn't correcting errors within the art of proofreading?

Speaking of "unable to see," just how old have you seen me say this earth is physically?

We're all familiar with your doubletalk, AV -- it's a poor liar who is only able to convince himself.
 
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There is then admitted retaliation, although involving believers who have nothing to do with any teaching going on at a school. From that perspective there is accusation of spreading ignorance, dismissive of any informed studies with that. The alleged ignorance is just any disagreement with the same positions. Who demonizes who? There is admission that the only reason the unbelievers post in this Christian forum to argue against believing God's presence is for humor for themselves, and no one is convincing anyone. Yet this is with calling those seeing intelligent design in all the great complexities around and such of even ourselves fools.

Weren't there rules to agree to when joining the forum? This is in Christian forums, and just about all believers see this design, to greater or lesser extent. And I raised a question, which is on some level a challenge, though I don't have expectations for it to happen. You have not yet asked God who made you, providing good things because of caring for you, to be shown God's real presence. Why not? I say there would then just be desire that God would not truly be existing, with nothing then to show God does exist, and it is that strong so nothing contrary is expected. I am not talking of making a sarcastic challenge for a miracle for your own benefit, as if God was something else if existing, other than sovereign God, and that you can just bargain the deals. God being truly God does not owe you that. It is your heart that must be ready to respond rightly to God.

Uh, no, I have tried for years to be a believer, sometimes praying for hours just for the slightest sign of something being out there. Belief isn't about what we want, I have no desire to believe that when I die, my existence just ends, but that is what I honestly think fits reality.
 
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Abiogenesis is production of life from already existing molecules.
Then we can go back and say where did those molecules come from and there will be an answer and we keep going back to first cause. But along the way just like life forming from those molecules into various stages of complex states each having more functions and abilities than they did previously. Sometimes some actions needing two or more parts to be there at the same time to work. Thats not just for a stage but all stages along the way up until well never ending. Always improving and become a living organism that breaths and thinks. I just find it hard to believe a living person can come from that even if they say that evolution goes in stages so each one is not so complex. But if you look at each and every important stage along the way to forming life if we calculated the odds of it happening , it would be astronomical.

Evolution is production of biodiversity from already existing species.
Yes I am finding that. But how much of that bio diversity does Darwinian evolution produce. There is evolution with creatures in a changing environment. All will be connected in some way as they depend on each other. So what happens in the environment and how it effects the creatures will have an effect on all and how they adapt to it. Esp those who live closer together or depend on each other. But what if its limited and the changes that we see are just a very wide scope for creatures to vary. What if some of that similarity between creatures also comes from cross breeding or other HGT possibilities such as viruses or a more open and flowing network where genetics could be transferred through some channel.

Besides evolution still can relate to chemical evolution. Just the same as having to make a new structure for life evolution would also have to make new structures for bodies and organisms. But the same impossibilities can apply. How can a brain or heart be made or an eye. The way I understand Darwinian evolution is that there will be slow gradual changes to a creature over a very long time until it becomes another species. It can change into different shapes, grow legs or lose them, change metabolisms and internal systems and organs to be different from what they were into that new animals makeup. So there must be many many stages to change such complex and different features. So we should see a lot of stages in the fossil record showing those steps.

But its hard to know what a species is and what was variation. I have gone into the transitional evidence and each time you can argue a case for both sides on how and why animals have certain features. But there doesn't seem to be as Darwin himself once said why isn't there a mass of finely graded creatures in the earths crust showing the links from one species to another. Instead we keep seeing well formed and complete features everywhere.

God is not the Bible. Men wrote the Bible.
I dont think I said anything about God being the bible. I meant That in the bible I think it is Paul who is saying to the Hebrews that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The book of James says something similar.
“Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows” ( James 1:17 )

So it was to do with Christ and what he has said and how the lives of those who followed him changed. That was being used as an example to show that what was said and happened when Christ was here was still the same and to not go off the track. But it was aimed at the jews as some were still practicing the rituals and sacrifices. Paul was merely saying that Christ was the ultimate sacrifice and there was no need to practice all those rituals to be clean. But thats another topic. But for what I was using it for was for when we were talking about who rules society and how rulers and the way people implement different ways to do things is hard to keep and cant be trusted because of corruption and power. Christ is the same and so you can depend on it and use it as an example.
 
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You left out an important word.

We want Creation to be taught back at schools.

People laughed at Jesus too, didn't they?

People laughed at Francis Kelsey too, didn't they?

Do you want creationism taught in science class, or in a religious class?

I would have no issue with all kids being taught the various theologies in different religions, as long as ALL religions, were taught, in a religious history class.
 
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Do you want creationism taught in science class,
No.

or in a religious class?
No.

QV please:
Creationism does not belong in science class, it belongs in history class; but to answer your question as you wrote it, I offer the following guidelines:

1. Teach the difference between creatio ex materia and creatio ex nihilo. At the end of the course, the student should be able to relate which came ex materia and which came ex nihilo.

2. Teach the order of the creation events. At the end of the course, the student should be able to put a jumbled list of objects in Genesis 1 in chronological order.

3. Teach the Law of Conservation of Mass & Energy. At the end of the course, the student should be able to demonstrate how the level of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days. He should also be able to demonstrate when it was locked in place, and explain why it hasn't been violated since then and never will be.

4. Teach Genesis 1 geography. At the end of the course, the student should be able to draw an outline of Eden (Pangaea), and include the seven continents within Eden's borders. (Show which country the Garden of Eden was in for extra credit.)

5. Teach the difference between ELOHIM and JEHOVAH. At the end of the course, the student should know at least seven major compound names of God, and their meanings and applications in Scripture.

6. Teach stellar soteriology. At the end of the course, the student should be able to list the twelve signs of the Mazzaroth (Zodiac) in order of appearance and include at least one of their decans, link each one of them to the Gospel message, and name at least one major star in each one and explain the significance of its name.

7. Teach embedded age. At the end of the course, the student should know the difference between physical age and existential age, and be able to give the proper definition of Embedded Age Creation and contrast it with Last Thursdayism and Young Earth Creationism.

8. Teach the difference between miracles and magic.
 
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