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Aside from the biblical reasons, which should be enough for any honest Christian who loves Jesus Christ, I would like to spend some time revealing why evolution theory is wrong right from the outset.

1. Concerning cosmological evolution; the so-called 'big bang' resulting in the vast order we see in our universe/world? Since when does an explosion produce order? Someone give an example of such high levels of order (such as living organisms) being developed by accidental forces.

2. Did natural law create itself? Did the big bang create the natural laws we know? (E=mc^2, F=Gm1Gm2/r^2, T=Fr, W=FD, etc). Nature provides no explanation for the origin of natural law. Unless there is a Creator who set the balance of nature, then there is no explanation available to us.

3. The universe does not reveal phenomena that is consistent with the theory of evolution as far as the amount of time that has been assigned to it.

Example:
Quote: "A strange cartoon graced the cover of Science News last fall (10/08/2005) that serves as a symbol for a whole class of problems for evolutionary astronomers. It showed a star-shaped old man in a stellar maternity ward. With its title, 'Crisis in the Cosmos? Galaxy-formation theory is in peril,' the article exposed a running theme in astronomy: as far back as we look, stars and galaxies appear mature. 'Imagine peering into a nursery and seeing, among the cooing babies, a few that look like grown men,' Ron Cowen quipped. 'That's the startling situation that astronomers have stumbled upon as they've looked deep into space and thus back to a time when newborn galaxies filled the cosmos.'

Other recent findings echo this theme of 'mature at birth.' Consider three examples from March of this year:
  • The Spitzer Space Telescope found clusters of galaxies a third of the assumed age of the universe.
  • UV and infrared surveys found "ubiquitous" galaxies at redshift 6.7, corresponding to 5% the assumed age.
  • The Swift satellite detected a gamma-ray burst 12.8 billion years old in the assumed time scale. 'This means, said Nature (3/9/2006, p. 164) 'that not only did stars form in this short period of time after the Big Bang, but also that enough time had elapsed for them to evolve and collapse into black holes.'
More examples could be cited. These findings corroborate a January 8, 2002, NASA press release that was considered astonishing at the time: based on Hubble surveys, 'the grand finale came first' in stellar and galactic evolution. As far back as telescopes look, they see mature creation, not evolution. (From Creation Moments.)

Oh, but it gets far worse for evolutionists than this:

Quote: "
“This year stretched the imaginations of many astronomers and cosmologists. They have discovered amazing features at the outer reaches of the universe. And they cause headaches for those with blind faith in naturalistic origin theories—including a big bang about 14 billion years ago.

"Back in January, a team of astronomers announced the discovery of a massive and distant string of galaxies. By their own dating methods, they were looking at a structure within only 2 billion years of the universe’s inception. This was much too early for such a complex structure to have evolved naturally.

"Later this year, astronomers announced another anomalous discovery. This time, they found individual galaxies at allegedly advanced stages of galactic ‘evolution’ in a part of the sky named the ‘redshift desert’. They used the Gemini North Telescope, with an 8-metre mirror, on the summit of Mauna Kea on the big island of Hawaii. This area of the sky is supposed to be so old and so close to the beginning of everything that it was believed nothing as complex as a galaxy should, or could, exist there.

"Under big bang assumptions, astronomers looking into the redshift desertare seeing the universe as it was 8 to 11 billion years ago, at a time when it was ‘only’ 3 to 6 billion years old. This part of the sky had not previously been widely explored. Astronomers believed it contained objects too faint and dim to study properly. However, recent advances in telescope optics have allowed astronomers to make a systematic study of the redshift desert, the Gemini Deep Deep Survey (GDDS).

"What the GDDS astronomers found was totally unexpected. Where they had expected to see young, small, still-developing galaxies, they found more than 300 fully mature galaxies, just like those seen near our own galaxy, the Milky Way.
Team member Dr Karl Glazebrook from Johns Hopkins University says the find presents a huge challenge because their ‘star-forming youth is in fact long gone.’2 He explained:
‘We expected to find basically zero massive galaxies beyond about 9 billion years ago, because theoretical models [based on the big bang] predict that massive galaxies form last. Instead we found highly developed galaxies that just shouldn’t have been there, but are.’3
This is a story that is sounding more and more familiar."

Not surpising at all for those of us who believe in a young world/universe. The evolutionist predictions about the age of certain things in our universe have been in error time and time again. I've been seeing this since I was a kid when Isaac Asimov as well as the scientists at NASA predicted that there would be one hundred ft of dust on the moon and it would be dangerous to send astronauts there. Subsequent moon probes proved them wrong.

But rather than make this post longer than really necessary let me give the first of several photos of things that should not exist if evolution were really true. Talk about red shifts, how about this one?

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Here is an example of galaxy NGC4319 which appears in close proximity to the Quasar, Markarian 205. We have been told that Quasars are the most distant objects in space, on the very edge of the universe and some 15 billion light yrs away. So the common consensus has been that appearances here are decieving and Markarian 205 is billions of miles further out in space than the much larger appearing NGC4319. But an infra-red photo of the two celestial objects reveals that there is a clear connection between them. That is bad news for evolutionary cosmology.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Quote: "A prime example of Arp's challenge is the connected pair of objects NGC 4319 and Markarian 205.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Dr. Arp has shown in his book "Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies" that there is a physical connection between the barred spiral galaxy NGC 4319 and the quasar like object Markarian 205. This connection is between two objects that have vastly different redshift values. Mainstream astronomers deny

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]the existence of this physical link." Halton Arp's discoveries about redshift[/FONT]

This is just the beginning of my objections to evolutionary theory.
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Aside from the biblical reasons, which should be enough for any honest Christian who loves Jesus Christ, I would like to spend some time revealing why evolution theory is wrong right from the outset.
It's probably worth pointing out that all your examples relate to cosmological evolution, and have nothing to do with biological evolution whatsoever. A problem with one does not entail a problem with the other.

1. Concerning cosmological evolution; the so-called 'big bang' resulting in the vast order we see in our universe/world? Since when does an explosion produce order? Someone give an example of such high levels of order (such as living organisms) being developed by accidental forces.
Despite the colloquial name, the Big Bang was not an explosion, so your analogy fails. Instead, it was a sudden expansion of space. More here:
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Did natural law create itself? Did the big bang create the natural laws we know? (E=mc^2, F=Gm1Gm2/r^2, T=Fr, W=FD, etc). Nature provides no explanation for the origin of natural law. Unless there is a Creator who set the balance of nature, then there is no explanation available to us.
Most evolutionary creationists are happy to give credit to God for establishing the laws of nature. Note that the fulfillment of these natural laws does not preclude God's involvement, however, as many neocreationists presume (e.g., calling the natural process of evolution 'godless').

3. The universe does not reveal phenomena that is consistent with the theory of evolution as far as the amount of time that has been assigned to it.
Obviously, professional cosmologists and astronomers disagree. I'm not trained in astronomy, however, so I'll let the others handle your specific qualms.
 
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It's probably worth pointing out that all your examples relate to cosmological evolution, and have nothing to do with biological evolution whatsoever. A problem with one does not entail a problem with the other.

I didn't say it did, genius. I'll cover the bases, including biological evolution.


Despite the colloquial name, the Big Bang was not an explosion, so your analogy fails. Instead, it was a sudden expansion of space. More here:
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Really? Then you better inform many of your comrades who say that it WAS an explosion:

Quote: "About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the expansion of the universe. This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point. What exisisted prior to this event is completely unknown and is a matter of pure speculation." LaRocco and Rothstein at the U. of Mich.

THE BIG BANG


Most evolutionary creationists are happy to give credit to God for establishing the laws of nature. Note that the fulfillment of these natural laws does not preclude God's involvement, however, as many neocreationists presume (e.g., calling the natural process of evolution 'godless').

That is pure opinion supported by nothing. But the argument of an 'a priori cause' to all things is an observable, testable, repeatable experiment that even grade school children can perform in proof of the theory. Things do not happen by themselves. There is a cause for it all. The original cause was the Creator God.


Obviously, professional cosmologists and astronomers disagree. I'm not trained in astronomy, however, so I'll let the others handle your specific qualms.

Good. That's the best news you've given me yet. Just stick with it.


Bye.
 
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I'm confused. This thread has "Evolution" in its title, but its all about the Big Bang and cosmology. I see nothing that has anything to do with biology.

Who said it had anything to do with biology?

So you have never heard of Carl Sagan and stellar evolution?

Then keep reading;

Definition: Stellar evolution is the process by which a star undergoes a sequence of radical changes during its lifetime. Wikipedia.

Best wishes.
 
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Who said it had anything to do with biology?

You did... since you started a thread with "Why evolution is impossible" Evolution is a theory of biology.


So you have never heard of Carl Sagan and stellar evolution?

Then keep reading;

Definition: Stellar evolution is the process by which a star undergoes a sequence of radical changes during its lifetime. Wikipedia.

Best wishes.

That's a completely different subject from Evolution by natural selection, and you know it. :doh:
 
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1) Biological Evolution isn't impossible, we see it happening today.
2) Stellar evolution isn't impossible, we see it happening today.
3) "Aside from the biblical reasons, which should be enough for any honest Christian who loves Jesus Christ" I'm honest about My love for My Lord & Savor Jesus the Christ, and have no problem with Evolution.
 
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Since when does an explosion produce order?
The Chinese and Russians produce artificial diamonds using explosions and heavier atomic nuclei are produced in supernova explosions. Besides as Mallon pointed out the Big Bang was not an explosion, explosions do not expand space itself. Explosion may be a useful analogy if you are teaching an introduction to cosmology, but it is not an accurate description.
 
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1) Biological Evolution isn't impossible, we see it happening today.
2) Stellar evolution isn't impossible, we see it happening today.
3) "Aside from the biblical reasons, which should be enough for any honest Christian who loves Jesus Christ" I'm honest about My love for My Lord & Savor Jesus the Christ, and have no problem with Evolution.

No, we don't see 'evolution' happening today because it does not exist. What we see is growth within organisms and the expected changes within the kinds of organisms. But changes from one kind of organism to another never happens. It can't because of the genetic limitations God imposed on nature from the beginning.

2. There is no stellar 'evolution'. It was all created. Far from 'evolving' it is degenerating.

3. If you love Jesus then you will believe what He told you in His word. He taught creation and confirmed what Moses said (Exodus 20:11). He never said a word about evolution.
 
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I didn't say it did, genius.

Wow, you sure are mean for a self-proclaimed pastor. Could you please quit it with the constant insults?

Really? Then you better inform many of your comrades who say that it WAS an explosion:
Yeah, it's unfortunate that some still refer to it as an explosion. Still, despite what some people say, the Big Bang was not an explosion so your analogy fails.

There is a cause for it all. The original cause was the Creator God.
I agree.
 
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The Chinese and Russians produce artificial diamonds using explosions and heavier atomic nuclei are produced in supernova explosions. Besides as Mallon pointed out the Big Bang was not an explosion, explosions do not expand space itself. Explosion may be a useful analogy if you are teaching an introduction to cosmology, but it is not an accurate description.

Give your documentation and then demonstrate that exploding artificial diamonds can generate living organisms.

You also avoided the direct evidence I offered after my initial statements.

Evolution is a lie. I intend to reveal that fact.
 
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You did... since you started a thread with "Why evolution is impossible" Evolution is a theory of biology.

That's a completely different subject from Evolution by natural selection, and you know it. :doh:

And?

Are you uncomfortable taking the subject that far back?
 
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And?

Are you uncomfortable taking the subject that far back?
You can't take the subject, i.e. biology, back that far. If you try, it turns into a different subject. If you want to discuss evolution, start discussing it.

(By the way, you'd be much more effective if you ditched the snide comments and insults.)
 
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Going further in the matter of stellar evolution.

I wish to demonstrate that the universe (1) is not evolving, it is degenerating, and (2) the distance to the stars, between the stars, and to the edge of observable phenomena is not what evolutionists tell us. (3) that objects in space are often seen in direct violation of the laws of phsyics and had to be created that way because nature could not have done it.

a. “We have an even more amazing state of affairs in Trapezium, in the Orion nebula. These four stars are moving away from a common point in space at high speed. If you take their current speeds and compute backwards, you will find them at a common starting point only about 10,000 years ago. This means that they can't be older than 10,000 years. " from Creation Moments.

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b. The red supergiant star Betelgeuse, the bright reddish star in the constellation Orion, has steadily shrunk over the past 15 years, according to University of California, Berkeley, researchers. Over 15 years, it has decreased in size about 15 percent, changing smoothly, but faster as the years progressed." (from Science Daily).

Betelgeuse.jpg


The finely tuned, perfectly timed universe is wearing down just as God’s word said. The whole of creation groaneth and travaileth in pain until now Paul said in Romans 8:22.

c. We all know that galaxies rotate and their spiral arms usually sweep back, trailing behind the rotation of the galaxy. But a galaxy has been discovered that defies this opinion.It has arms opening outward in the same direction as the rotation of the galaxy's disk.

The galaxy, known as NGC 4622, lies 200 million light years away in the constellation Centaurus. A team of American astronomers analyzed images of the galaxy, and discovered that it has a previously hidden inner counter clockwise pair of spiral arms.


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"Contrary to conventional wisdom, with both an inner counter-clockwise pair and an outer clockwise pair of spiral arms, NGC 4622 must have a pair of leading arms," said Dr. Gene Byrd from the University of Alabama. "With two pairs of arms winding in opposite directions, one pair must lead and one pair must trail. Which way is which depends on the disk's.
But what is the problem with this? If you can imagine going to the toy store and asking the proprietor for a pinwheel that spins in both directions at once…you can then begin to grasp the difficulty. (from Astronomy Picture of the Day).


d. Io or Jupiter I is the innermost of the Galilean moons of Jupiter. It is the most volcanically active object in the solar system and the most dense of all planetary satellites.

Along with the rest of the solar system we are told that Io is billions of yrs old.
Io has hundreds of active volcanoes, and their eruptions and lava flows are constantly changing the surface of Io. The active eruption sites achieve temperatures as high as 1800 K, this although the average surface temperature of Io is about 130 K. Folks, that’s very, very hot. 1800 K = 2240 degrees F!

Ioeruption.jpg


The favored theory for explaining this volcanism is tidal heating.
Yet the tremendous heat of Io's volcanoes is not fully understood or explained. If uniformitarian theories are correct and Io is millions of years old, the innumerable tidal-flexing cycles should have lowered Io's melting point so that it would not produce such hot lava flows. The high temperatures observed are in fact consistent with basaltic lava flows that most uniformitarians think occurred billions of years ago on Earth. No volcano on Earth today is as hot as are some of the volcanoes now on Io
All this means that Io is much younger than evolutionists say it is and it is one of many witnesses to the truthfulness and veracity of God’s Word about the Creation. (from answersingenesis).

This and much more reveal a created universe that is now degenerating, not evolving.
 
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You can't take the subject, i.e. biology, back that far. If you try, it turns into a different subject. If you want to discuss evolution, start discussing it.

Stop it. If you have a problem with me beginning with stellar evolution then take up the problem with the encyclopedias and dictionaries that define and explain it. Are you trying to say that Carl Sagan was lying about stellar evolution and that it is not relevant to the discussion?

Where do you get the right or the authority to declare biological evolution as the only kind of evolution. Name it.

(By the way, you'd be much more effective if you ditched the snide comments and insults.)

My statements are direct. Evolution is a lie. In fact, every class of evolution, whether stellar, chemical, or biological 'evolution' is a lie.

Moving on.
 
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Amazing how we jumped from "order" to "living organisms." Seems you still have cosmology and biology mixed up.

You haven't documented the thing about artificial diamonds in the first place, let alone that such a process could result in living organisms.

So where is that documentation?
 
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What's the difference?

Like the difference between midnight and noon.

Definition: evolution;
Evolution in the extended sense can be defined as a directional and essentially irreversible process occurring in time, which in its course gives rise to an increase of variety and an increasingly high level of organization in its products. Our present knowledge indeed forces us to the view that the whole of reality is evolution—a single process of self-transformation."

Julian Huxley: "Evolution and Genetics" in What is Man? (Ed. by J. R. Newman, New York, Simon and Schuster, 1955), p.278.


Does that help you see the difference?
 
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You haven't documented the thing about artificial diamonds in the first place, let alone that such a process could result in living organisms.

So where is that documentation?

I didn't post that. I'm just pointing out the fact that you first asked for an example of "order from disorder," you were given an example, and now you want "living organisms from disorder." I understand your wish for a citation however.
 
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