Why don't protestants bless Mary?

[JLB777]

The child she gave birth to was both God and Man, although only the human nature came from her.

Agreed.


JLB

 

[Albion]

You nor anyone else has eaten the literal body or drank the literal blood of Jesus Christ.

OK. Is this getting us anywhere?

We have eaten bread and drank juice that represents His Body and Blood.

That's not what Jesus said about it.

 

[patricius79]

Please show me a scripture that says Flesh gives birth to Spirit.

Jesus Christ the man was a little lower than the angels, as He became flesh.

He had to become a man to take on the sin of the world.

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. Romans 5:18-19

His flesh and blood body is human, His Spirit within is God.


Mary gave birth to a human baby, that grew up into a man, Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was God in a human body.


Mary did not give birth to God, but to the Man Jesus Christ.


JLB

The Bible doesn't say "Mary did not give birth to God, but to the Man Jesus Christ."

One cannot separate Christ's Divinity from His Humanity.

Mary, the creature, conceived and gave birth to the person, Jesus, who is God.

 

[patricius79]

Agreed.


JLB

Right. Mary gave birth to God, but only His humanity came from her. Correct.

 

[patricius79]

You nor anyone else has eaten the literal body or drank the literal blood of Jesus Christ.

We have eaten bread and drank juice that represents His Body and Blood.

John 6:53, John 6:55

 

[Albion]

Oh how I wish either of you could wake up and realize that the meaning is neither of those extreme positions--that it's either literal flesh despite all the evidence to the contrary OR ELSE that Jesus didn't mean it when he said that it was his body and his blood. The only possible answer is in between those extremes.

 

[patricius79]

Oh how I wish either of you could wake up and realize that the meaning is neither of those extreme positions--that it's either literal flesh despite all the evidence to the contrary OR ELSE that Jesus didn't mean it when he said that it was his body and his blood. The only possible answer is in between those extremes.

What do you believe the truth is about John 6:53, etc?

Also, what is the earliest historical, Protestant source of the N.T. Canon?

I believe that Protestants already testify to Catholic Tradition regarding the Mother of God by accepting the N.T. Canon from the Catholic Church.

 

[JLB777]

John 6:53, John 6:55

They were given bread to eat at the Covenant ceremony, not His literal flesh.

Do a search and study on the blood Covenant.


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Mary gave birth to God,

Mary did not give birth to God. God is Spirit.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Flesh does not give birth to Spirit.

His body is human, not God.


JLB

 

[Albion]

They were given bread to eat at the Covenant ceremony, not His literal flesh.

Do a search and study on the blood Covenant.

Your personal theory about blood Covenant is wrong. The Lord's Supper comes from Christ's giving a new meaning to the Passover meal. It is to be observed and understood as he defined it, and as Scripture records that.

 

[patricius79]

They were given bread to eat at the Covenant ceremony, not His literal flesh.

Do a search and study on the blood Covenant.


JLB

I know that during the actual Passover, the Jews had to actually eat the Lamb. Jesus is the Lamb of God.

Scripture says that we must eat Christ's Flesh and Drink His Blood. John 6:53, John 6:54.

It's interesting that those who have trouble with the mystery of Jesus being God--and Mary being, thus, the Mother of God--often have trouble accepting explicit Scripture like John 6:55.

 

[Albion]

What do you believe the truth is about John 6:53, etc?

It's unlikely that this refers to the Lord's Supper since the exchange took place prior to the Last Supper and the institution of the sacrament. But on the outside chance that it was a foreshadowing of the Eucharist, nothing is changed about its meaning by us referring to John 6 in preference to the words of institution. The same problems of definition remain.

Also, what is the earliest historical, Protestant source of the N.T. Canon?

I believe that Protestants already testify to Catholic Tradition regarding the Mother of God by accepting the N.T. Canon from the Catholic Church.

The canon was established by the Undivided Church of antiquity, from which later came the Roman Catholic, Eastern, Anglican, and Protestant churches.

 

[patricius79]

It's unlikely that this refers to the Lord's Supper since the exchange took place prior to the Last Supper and the institution of the sacrament. But on the outside chance that it was a foreshadowing of the Eucharist, nothing is changed about its meaning by us referring to John 6 in preference to the words of institution. The same problems of definition remain.


The canon was established by the Undivided Church of antiquity, from which later came the Roman Catholic, Eastern, Anglican, and Protestant churches.

That's an interesting oral tradition about the early Church, which was called "the Catholic Church" and venerated the Mother of God.

But what is the earliest Protestant or non-Catholic source of the N.T. Canon?

Peace to all who are willing to have any tenderness toward the Mother of Jesus Christ.

 

[JLB777]

That's an interesting oral tradition about the early Church, which was called "the Catholic Church" and venerated the Mother of God.

But what is the earliest Protestant or non-Catholic source of the N.T. Canon?

Peace to all who are willing to have any tenderness toward the Mother of Jesus Christ.

More than Mary, blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it.

27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”

28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Luke 11:27-28

 

[JLB777]

I know that during the actual Passover, the Jews had to actually eat the Lamb. Jesus is the Lamb of God.

Scripture says that we must eat Christ's Flesh and Drink His Blood. John 6:53, John 6:54.

It's interesting that those who have trouble with the mystery of Jesus being God--and Mary being, thus, the Mother of God--often have trouble accepting explicit Scripture like John 6:55.

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Matthew 26:26


The bible says those who believe and are Baptized will be saved.

He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:16

Do Catholics get Baptized after they believe the Gospel?


JLB

 

[patricius79]

More than Mary, blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it.

27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”

28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Luke 11:27-28

Amen! And nobody heard the word of God and kept it better than the Mother of God!

 

[patricius79]

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Matthew 26:26

Right. "Take, eat; this is My body" Matthew 26:26, John 6:53

This is the Body of the One who came to us through Mary. I love her, and love Christ, my God, through her.

 

[JLB777]

Amen! And nobody heard the word of God and kept it better than the Mother of God!

Got any scripture to prove this.

How many books of the bible did Mary write?

JLB

 

[JLB777]

Right. "Take, eat; this is My body" Matthew 26:26, John 6:53

This is the Body of the One who came to us through Mary. I love her, and love Christ, my God, through her.

"This" being the bread.

 

[patricius79]

Got any scripture to prove this.

How many books of the bible did Mary write?

JLB

Luke 1:31, Luke 1:38

When you say, "the bible", how do you know which books are in the N.T. except by the oral Tradition of the Catholic Church, which holds that Mary is the Immaculate Mother of God?