Why don't protestants bless Mary?

[JLB777]

It doesn't. Where does the Bible say "Mary did not give birth to God", or that Jesus is not God?

Or where does it say that John 6:53 and John 6:55 are false?

7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. Luke 2:7

He, The Lord Jesus, as God, created Adam from the dust of the ground and breathed the Spirit of Life into Him.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

Mary came from Adam.


The Body that was prepared for Him, came from Mary's womb.


Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’”
Hebrews 10:5-7


Mary gave birth to the flesh and blood body that all the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in.

 

[patricius79]

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave t to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”

27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:26-27

The bread and the wine "represented" His Body and Blood.


and again -

23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner Healso took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

Examine Yourself
27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 11:23-27

Eating bread that represents His body, not literally eating His flesh.



JLB

Where does the Bible say, "Eating bread that represents His body, not literally eating His flesh"?

Or where does the Bible say "Mary did not give birth to God", or that Jesus is not God?


51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52 Then the Jewsbegan to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
57 Just as the living Father sent meand I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."

 

[patricius79]

7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. Luke 2:7

He, The Lord Jesus, as God, created Adam from the dust of the ground and breathed the Spirit of Life into Him.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

Mary came from Adam.


The Body that was prepared for Him, came from Mary's womb.


Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’”
Hebrews 10:5-7


Mary gave birth to the flesh and blood body that all the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in.

Are you going beyond Scripture by denying that Jesus is God?

Also, how do you know which books are in the Bible except by the oral Tradition of the Catholic Church, which holds that my sweet mother Mary is the Immaculate Mother of God?

 

[Aldebaran]

The Body that was prepared for Him, came from Mary's womb.

Actually, the "body that was prepared for Him" is referring to the Church, not Mary's womb.

 

[JLB777]

Actually, the "body that was prepared for Him" is referring to the Church, not Mary's womb.

Actually the body that was prepared for Him was His physical body that He lived in while He walked the earth and died in for our sins, and was resurrected from the dead on the third day.

Please read what the scripture says.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me. Hebrews 10:5


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Are you going beyond Scripture by denying that Jesus is God?

Also, how do you know which books are in the Bible except by the oral Tradition of the Catholic Church, which holds that my sweet mother Mary is the Immaculate Mother of God?

Please stop twisting my words.

The Lord was God before He became flesh, as the scripture says He was made a little lower than the angels.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. Hebrews 2:9


The flesh and blood body He dwelt in, was the Man Christ Jesus the Messiah.

He was fully Man and fully God.

His flesh and blood body was human, that He as God dwelt in.

Mary gave birth to the man Jesus of Nazareth.

Mary did not give birth to God. God is Spirit. John 4:24


He had to be a man to take on the sin of the world and be crucified.

That's why He called Himself the Son of Man.


Jesus Christ is YHWH, the Lord God manifested in the flesh.



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Where does the Bible say, "Eating bread that represents His body, not literally eating His flesh"?

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave t to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”


Jesus took Bread and said... Take eat, this is My Body.


Can you see He gave them bread and not His actual Body to eat.



JLB

 

[Albion]

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave t to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”


Jesus took Bread and said... Take eat, this is My Body.


Can you see He gave them bread and not His actual Body to eat.



JLB

No. He said it was his body. What he began with is not what he said he was giving them. The only issue is "In what sense is it his body?"

 

[patricius79]

7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. Luke 2:7

He, The Lord Jesus, as God, created Adam from the dust of the ground and breathed the Spirit of Life into Him.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

Mary came from Adam.


The Body that was prepared for Him, came from Mary's womb.


Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’”
Hebrews 10:5-7


Mary gave birth to the flesh and blood body that all the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in.

Are you saying that Mary only gave birth to Christ's Body, and not to a Person Who Is God?

The Bible teaches that Mary is the mother of Jesus, who--as you say--is fully human and fully God.

 

[JLB777]

Are you saying that Mary only gave birth to Christ's Body, and not to a Person Who Is God?

I'm saying and have said, Mary gave birth to the Man Jesus Christ, not God, who is Spirit.


Are you saying that Mary didn't give birth to the man Jesus Christ?


Please explain, how you think that flesh gives birth to Spirit.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

The Spirit gives birth to spirit.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6



JLB

 

[JLB777]

No. He said it was his body. What he began with is not what he said he was giving them. The only issue is "In what sense is it his body?"

Jesus took the BREAD, and said take eat, this [bread] is my Body.

Jesus took Bread and said... Take eat, this is My Body.


You seem to think Jesus said, Take this my body, eat of this for it is bread.


23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 1 Corinthians 11:23-24


and again


19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying,“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Luke 22:19


Did Jesus hand them a piece of His body, or did he hand them some bread, when He said do this in remembrance of Me?


JLB

 

[Albion]

I'm saying and have said, Mary gave birth to the Man Jesus Christ, not God, who is Spirit.

I take it that you were addressing me there. If so, my answer is "no." The two natures of Christ are inseparable, although distinct.

Did Jesus hand them a piece of His body, or did he hand them some bread, when He said do this in remembrance of Me?

The supper has a memorial quality in any case. He said that, and we both agree to it.

As for the nature of the material that was eaten, he handed them something that he identified as his body. We can understand that in a number of different ways, but we have to accept it as true in SOME sense since Jesus was explicit in saying that it was his body.

What's more, it is not credible to argue that we should believe the meal to be a remembrance for the reason that HE SAID IT WAS while, at the same time, brushing aside the idea that it was his body...since that belief is ALSO based directly upon what he told his Apostles.

 

[Albion]

Jesus took the BREAD, and said take eat, this [bread] is my Body.

Jesus took Bread and said... Take eat, this is My Body.


You seem to think Jesus said, Take this my body, eat of this for it is bread.

No. I don't know why you'd get that from what I wrote. It sounds like what YOU have been telling me about your belief, but it's not what I've been saying.

 

[patricius79]

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave t to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”


Jesus took Bread and said... Take eat, this is My Body.


Can you see He gave them bread and not His actual Body to eat.



JLB

He says "this is My Body". He never says "not actual Body", which is what you are saying.

Jesus is fully explicit and insistent that we must eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood John 6:51, John 6:53, John 6:54, John 6:55, John 6:56, John 6:57

Likewise the Bible is explicit that Mary conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit.

 

[patricius79]

I'm saying and have said, Mary gave birth to the Man Jesus Christ, not God, who is Spirit.


Are you saying that Mary didn't give birth to the man Jesus Christ?

JLB

You are right in saying that Mary gave birth to the Man Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God. Thus Mary--a mere creature-- conceived and gave birth to God by the power of the God the Holy Spirit.

 

[JLB777]

You are right in saying that Mary gave birth to the Man Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God. Thus Mary--a mere creature-- conceived and gave birth to God by the power of the God the Holy Spirit.

Please show me a scripture that says Flesh gives birth to Spirit.

Jesus Christ the man was a little lower than the angels, as He became flesh.

He had to become a man to take on the sin of the world.

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. Romans 5:18-19

His flesh and blood body is human, His Spirit within is God.


Mary gave birth to a human baby, that grew up into a man, Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was God in a human body.


Mary did not give birth to God, but to the Man Jesus Christ.


JLB

 

[JLB777]

I take it that you were addressing me there. If so, my answer is "no." The two natures of Christ are inseparable, although distinct.

Mary gave birth to the "distinct" flesh and blood part.

 

[Albion]

Mary gave birth to the "distinct" flesh and blood part.

We all know that! But what the rest of your theory is, I must confess is still not clear to me. It appears to me that you are determined not to want to say that she gave birth to God, although that's the way it's usually worded.

No, she did not give a 'start' to a deity. The Second Person of the Trinity had always existed...from before he was incarnate as a human.

The child she gave birth to was both God and Man, although only the human nature came from her.

 

[JLB777]

He says "this is My Body". He never says "not actual Body", which is what you are saying.

Jesus is fully explicit and insistent that we must eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood John 6:51, John 6:53, John 6:54, John 6:55, John 6:56, John 6:57

Likewise the Bible is explicit that Mary conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit.

You nor anyone else has eaten the literal body or drank the literal blood of Jesus Christ.

We have eaten bread and drank juice that represents His Body and Blood.


This covenant ceremony takes place at weddings, where the groom and the bride hand each other their piece of cake, and drink from each others glass.

This is the covenant ceremony.

This was a common during that time.

It should be done today with all reference and not taken lightly, as the Catholic Church does, when administering this to anybody who gets in line, in a place where idols are worshiped.


JLB

 

[JLB777]

The Second Person of the Trinity had always existed.

Amen to that.