Why doesnt creationism need any data?

[British Bulldog]

Commonly this complaint comes from people who don't do any community work of their own and wish some entity did all the compassion work for them. Because people who do, rarely have this complaint.

It's not that I wish God ddid ALL the compassion work, it would just be nice if He did any.

 

[Non sequitur]

Let the weak die so there is more food for me.
That's what I learned in biology class.
I don't know how more real world it needs to be.

I'm assuming you horribly failed biology?

 

[British Bulldog]

Let the weak die so there is more food for me.
That's what I learned in biology class.
I don't know how more real world it needs to be.
Are you abandoning Darwin now?
survival of the fittest (biology) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Biology class isn't trying to tell us that there is a God who has our best interests ar heart. Darwin himself was appalled by the cruelty of nature.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well no i dont think I mean that sort of belief, or i dont think belief in Australia is an example of an unfounded one.
There is after all a good deal of data, and no contrary evidence.
But then i guess im quibbling, and basically agree.
or maybe a creationist would like to say why zero data is good enough.
it does seem like if it were true there outta be lots of data...

Nope.
If Creation took place just as the Bible says...there would be no trace of it.
Not one little bit.
Let me refer back to the scriptures about how God's power has "Created" stuff:
Jesus creates aged wine
Jesus created aged eyes
Jesus creates healed limbs
Jesus creates aged eyes from scratch

SO....according to the scriptures, God's intervention
in the world leaves no traces. Other than the result.

In the first example, a "scientist" was on hand. He said the wine was "the best".
Everyone knows that "the best" wine means more than a few minutes old.

 

[Non sequitur]

Nope.
If Creation took place just as the Bible says...there would be no trace of it.
Not one little bit.
Let me refer back to the scriptures about how God's power has "Created" stuff:
Jesus creates aged wine
Jesus created aged eyes
Jesus creates healed limbs
Jesus creates aged eyes from scratch

SO....according to the scriptures, God's intervention
in the world leaves no traces. Other than the result.

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen..."

You know, the visible invisible qualities

 

[SkyWriting]

It's not that I wish God ddid ALL the compassion work, it would just be nice if He did any.

People who do, rarely have this complaint.
If fact, I have never heard a charitable person complain that
others don't do more. It's just not in their nature I guess.

 

[Non sequitur]

People who do, rarely have this complaint.
If fact, I have never heard a charitable person complain that
others don't do more. It's just not in their nature I guess.

I don't wish your god did all the compassion work, it would just be nice if he did any.

I also don't believe others do more.


There's your first.

 

[British Bulldog]

People who do, rarely have this complaint.
If fact, I have never heard a charitable person complain that
others don't do more. It's just not in their nature I guess.

I'm not accusing others of not doing enough, I'm accusing God of not doing enough. Not doing anything in fact. He makes the average bone-idle, layabout teenager look like a cross between Bob Geldof and Mother Theresa. Considering His infinite powers one can't help thinking that He ought to pull His finger out rather than lazing around on His cloud all day eating chocolate and reading Hello magazine.

 

[SkyWriting]

Originally Posted by SkyWriting Let the weak die so there is more food for me.That's what I learned in biology class.I don't know how more real world it needs to be.

I'm assuming you horribly failed biology?

Because biology doesn't teach survival of the fittest?
Even with much of Darwin shown to be wrong
the least fit for the environment die slow agonizing
deaths from starvation. Is there a newer version
of natural selection? A Karl Marx version maybe?

 

[SkyWriting]

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen.. so that men are without excuse."

You know, the visible invisible qualities

I know, it takes some thinking. Lots of things do.

http://www.physorg.com/wire-news/64578942/dark-matter-and-string-theory.html

http://www.livescience.com/15063-antimatter-asymmetry-galaxy-spinning.html

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec/10-sciences-alternative-to-an-intelligent-creator

 

[MoonLancer]

I know, it takes some thought.

thought is not really the right word. Its actually just a contradiction that one ends up with when trying to use emotional language without thinking about.

 

[SkyWriting]

Anti-creationists are the "least scientific", because creationism can't be tested?

Because they make claims without attempting any support.
I back up almost all my claims.
Occasionally I step into territory no one else covers.
Like Jesus "Creating" aged wine. Not to fool anybody.
Just because that's what was needed at the time.
The Creation story is (likely) the same thing.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm not accusing others of not doing enough, I'm accusing God of not doing enough...

Well, if it's not you putting out some effort, then your blaming other people or even God. I get it.
It's not your fault.
Somebody or something else is to blame. It can't be you.

I've got news for you.
God works after you put your trust completely in Him and not before.
I am sorry that He works that way, but He does a lot more than one fingers worth.
But don't take my word for it.

 

[Non sequitur]

Because biology doesn't teach survival of the fittest?
Even with much of Darwin shown to be wrong
the least fit for the environment die slow agonizing
deaths from starvation. Is there a newer version
of natural selection? A Karl Marx version maybe?

The least fit don't always die slow agonizing deaths.

 

[SkyWriting]

Biology class isn't trying to tell us that there is a God who has our best interests at heart. Darwin himself was appalled by the cruelty of nature.

Becasue he was made in God's image. Of course he hated it.
We all do. We don't live in Heaven after all. Far, far from it.

We live in an altered state we are not intended to be in.
Else we'd be happy as clams in seawater or pigs in slop.

At least believers have a better understanding of the past and the future to help us cope and not kill ourselves.

 

[British Bulldog]

Well, if it's not you putting out some effort, then your blaming other people or even God. I get it.
It's not your fault.
Somebody or something else is to blame. It can't be you.

I've got news for you.
God works after you put your trust completely in Him and not before.
I am sorry that He works that way, but He does a lot more than one fingers worth.
But don't take my word for it.

But we've established that God is non-interventionist. The phenomenal amount of pain, suffering and cruelty in the world carries on without God raising a finger. That is not disputed. So why does anyone imagine God is the least bit concerned about them when, as can be shown, He has never intervened to help anyone else?

 

[SkyWriting]

The least fit don't always die slow agonizing deaths.

I know. They get chomped and swallowed very quickly in many cases.
I've watched 8 ducklings on a pond become 2 inside a few hours.
It's a coin toss which I'd prefer.

 

[Non sequitur]

At least believers have a better understanding of the past and the future to help us cope and not kill ourselves.

Please show me this data, or cite a source, which shows believers understanding of the past and the future helping them not killing themselves, as opposed to non-believers.

 

[SkyWriting]

But we've established that God is non-interventionist. The phenomenal amount of pain, suffering and cruelty in the world carries on without God raising a finger. That is not disputed. So why does anyone imagine God is the least bit concerned about them when, as can be shown, He has never intervened to help anyone else?

You'll have a better handle on it after He intervenes in your own life.
Until then, my experiences can't help you much.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't wish your god did all the compassion work, it would just be nice if he did any.

He has. When I've asked, then trusted.
I figured out that He told me what to ask for, then provided it,
but the whole process was a gift, anda miracle.