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Why does the world need to "end"?

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The drive still exists, but what will change is the focus of it, it will be put into the right context, and you will understand that fornication, or a prostitute, will not fulfill what you want, and it will be empty.
Exactly, but it is only scraps that are left over. Single people who wanted to have some of the taste of it but they weren't able to otherwise find a relationship or were conventionally less attractive for one have and do settle for prostitutes. Plus, outside of Christianity, at least certain groups in Judaism or Islam are somewhat more permissive in certain regards and sympathetic to feeling the need for prostitution or such just because there are no other options.

And people are right that it isn't helping that the society around these people is so highly sexualized, but I otherwise digress.
 
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No, because otherwise you wouldn't even realize that there is a problem. God will eventually zap all the horrible people away through starvation and other disasters. But God is giving the few decent people left on Earth some time to organize ourselves before everything goes to hell. So the question is will you take action to join or help form some kind of decent community? If not, you will be wiped away with the rest.

What exactly, if I might ask, is your eschatology? Because this isn't a Christian eschatology that I'm familiar with. And I've known people who think the Apocalypse of St. John is supposed to be taken literally.

The Christian religion does not teach that God is going to zap bad people and spare good people. The Christian religion teaches that there will be a day when all must stand before God at Judgment, which isn't going to be about bad people getting bad things happen to them and good people getting good things happen to them. According to Christian teaching, if this were the case, then everyone is up a creek; unless God is a God of love and mercy who saves sinners by His grace, which is what He shows Himself to be in Jesus Christ, then nobody is making it through Judgment. It is only because God is gracious, compassionate, and kind and saves this world of sinners through Jesus Christ that men shall pass through Judgment to life. Judgment not being God being all mean and nasty, but simply opening the books and us having to confront the facts about who we are and what we've done. Our sins will be what accuses us on that day, and it is the Judge Himself, Jesus Christ, who will be our Advocate.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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What exactly, if I might ask, is your eschatology? Because this isn't a Christian eschatology that I'm familiar with. And I've known people who think the Apocalypse of St. John is supposed to be taken literally.

The Christian religion does not teach that God is going to zap bad people and spare good people. The Christian religion teaches that there will be a day when all must stand before God at Judgment, which isn't going to be about bad people getting bad things happen to them and good people getting good things happen to them. According to Christian teaching, if this were the case, then everyone is up a creek; unless God is a God of love and mercy who saves sinners by His grace, which is what He shows Himself to be in Jesus Christ, then nobody is making it through Judgment. It is only because God is gracious, compassionate, and kind and saves this world of sinners through Jesus Christ that men shall pass through Judgment to life. Judgment not being God being all mean and nasty, but simply opening the books and us having to confront the facts about who we are and what we've done. Our sins will be what accuses us on that day, and it is the Judge Himself, Jesus Christ, who will be our Advocate.

-CryptoLutheran
I am not Christian, I follow the Old Testament. (The original poster also isn't Christian, so I thought a non-Christian response would be okay.) I don't believe in heaven or hell or an afterlife, see Ecclesiastes 3:19-22.
 
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I am not Christian, I follow the Old Testament. (The original poster also isn't Christian, so I thought a non-Christian response would be okay.) I don't believe in heaven or hell or an afterlife, see Ecclesiastes 3:19-22.

This is Exploring Christianity, non-Christians are invited to ask questions of Christians here.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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This is Exploring Christianity, non-Christians are invited to ask questions of Christians here.

-CryptoLutheran
Sorry, I just read about this forum and deleted the comment and sent it as a private conversation instead.
 
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T My question is why couldn't God just zap all the "problem" people away but otherwise allow this world to live on as usual and let the more benevolent people go into leadership and institutional positions again.

sounds to me that's exactly what he wants to do.
However the only difference is he is waiting till no one else can be saved.. at that point the world is so evil so corrupt it is easier for him to just pull his people out (rapture) and 'zap' everyone/everything else and then start over.
 
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However the only difference is he is waiting till no one else can be saved.. at that point the world is so evil so corrupt it is easier for him to just pull his people out (rapture) and 'zap' everyone/everything else and then start over.
Been there, done that with Noah. Changed no one's hearts.
 
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Been there, done that with Noah. Changed no one's hearts.
you seem to have trouble extrapolating the point I am making. this is the second time you have rushed to judgement. maybe slow daw and read through my argument a few time before you post. as your objection again does not address my post at all. you are creating a straw man argument and attacking it but addressing me for some reason.
 
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My question is why couldn't God just zap all the "problem" people away but otherwise allow this world to live on as usual and let the more benevolent people go into leadership and institutional positions again.
My opinion here. I think he wants us to figure it out for ourselves. I think he is interested in our growth and we can't grow if he does everything for us.

Why does God sound like he wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
People sound like that. I think when they write their faith down (in the bible), they mix their own spin into it - by mistake probably.

I know what the Bible may say, but why do I even need to be part of his plan, whatever it is?
Just try to love god and love people. figure that bit out. don't worry about the end of the world haha
 
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I am not Christian, I follow the Old Testament. (The original poster also isn't Christian, so I thought a non-Christian response would be okay.) I don't believe in heaven or hell or an afterlife, see Ecclesiastes 3:19-22.

Well - Bible answers are good - and we consider that the Bible has (at least) 66 books which includes all of the Hebrew Bible (39 books as they are organized in Christian Bibles).

You are free to point to a scripture and discuss what it says. We as Christians accept both OT and NT.
 
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Thanky. Jesus upped the ante when He said change (repent) and showed us why and how. It is amazing how many thinking being like Him means something else.
I was merely addressing the fact that altho God judged the world once it did little to bring a deliverance from an evil mindset. Romans 12:1-3 is needed.
 
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No, because otherwise you wouldn't even realize that there is a problem. God will eventually zap all the horrible people away through starvation and other disasters. But God is giving the few decent people left on Earth some time to organize ourselves before everything goes to hell. So the question is will you take action to join or help form some kind of decent community? If not, you will be wiped away with the rest.

Jer 4:23-26 says there comes a point in the future where earth is desolate , there are no humans left on planet Earth... all the cities are destroyed before the fierce anger of God (this is the condition of Earth in the future millennium of Rev 20).

Jer 25:31-33 says that those slain by the Lord will be from one end of Earth to the other - and no humans left to bury them -- they simply remain and decompose like compost.

2 Thess 1 - says all unbelievers are destroyed at Christ's appearing.

1 Thess 4:13-18 and John 14:1-3 (and Matt 24:29-31) say that all believers are taken to heaven "raptured" at that same event.

So then OT and NT agree on this point. You seem to be pointing to a similar idea.
 
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I was merely addressing the fact that altho God judged the world once it did little to bring a deliverance from an evil mindset. Romans 12:1-4 is needed.

Punishment / judgment of God - is an obstacle for evil. God needed this fallen world "to survive longer" rather than just fully implode after its first 1600 years. So then "the flood", and pushing the "reset button".

Now with 6000 years of data - it is a good library of data - to inoculate the universe for all time against rebellion.

Noah was declared righteous by God - yet from Noah's family ultimately there arose evil of all sorts as well as saints of all sorts.

This realm of cancer, evil, crime and hate must end if God is love - and He is. A great many people face death "thankful that it is over" in this life.
 
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Punishment / judgment of God - is an obstacle for evil.

Noah was declared righteous by God - yet from Noah's family ultimately there arose evil of all sorts as well as saints of all sorts.
Talking a lot on here about the end of days because of all the stuff that is going on in the world, and it is scary to me because I just started my 30s and if the world is going to end, in the meantime here life will be very dark and miserable anyway. My question is why couldn't God just zap all the "problem" people away but otherwise allow this world to live on as usual and let the more benevolent people go into leadership and institutional positions again. Why does God sound like he wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater? I know what the Bible may say, but why do I even need to be part of his plan, whatever it is?
Exactly why zapping them all away doesn't work.
 
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Exactly why zapping them all away doesn't work.

Agreed - simply killing people is not the solution. Rather it is in letting things play out, recording the data - then after 6000 years of that data - lumping it all together into one massive great white throne judgment and lake of fire event - where all the saints can view all of the lost who themselves are seeing the full story unfold and declare that God is just -- at which point "end of movie" .

The wicked "destroyed both body and soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28 in that lake of fire - and the saints given the "New heavens and new Earth" of Rev 21... once all has ended.

And of course the torment and suffering in the lake of fire in Rev 20 that is strictly proportional to the deeds done in the body as Luke 12 and Rev 20 point out.
 
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You said destroyed

I was simply quoting Matt 10:28 verbatim. "destroy both body and soul in fiery hell"

2 Peter 2 says it this way -- ; 6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly;

Rev 20 says it this way - "7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them."

Ezek 28 says it this way when speaking of Satan - the covering Cherub that fell -
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, you covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Your heart was haughty because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I threw you to the ground;
I put you before kings,
That they may see you.
18 By the multitude of your wrongdoings,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth
In the eyes of all who see you.
19 All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’

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They all point to an end to evil.
 
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