Why Does Man Sin?

[prodromos]

It is the sting of death.

 

[vekarppe]

But why do we, believers, who are freed from sin and its power, sin?

 

[IamAdopted]

Because sin reigns in our mortal bodies.. This is why we are told to put off the old and walk in the Spirit..

 

[vekarppe]

Because sin reigns in our mortal bodies.

According to the Bible, sin will not any longer rule or reign [be master] over us, for we are under grace (Rom. 6:14).

 

[IamAdopted]

According to the Bible, sin will not any longer rule or reign [be master] over us, for we are under grace (Rom. 6:14).

It does not mean that we won't sin. It just means that sin will not rule over us.

 

[Giver]

It does not mean that we won't sin. It just means that sin will not rule over us.

The following passage tells us we had better not sin!

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

 

[vekarppe]

It does not mean that we won't sin. It just means that sin will not rule over us.

Yea, you are absolutely right. It shows that sin won't reign [be master] over us any longer.

So back to the question, Why do we, believers, being freed from sin and its power, sin?

 

[Celticflower]

Yea, you are absolutely right. It shows that sin won't reign [be master] over us any longer.

So back to the question, Why do we, believers, being freed from sin and its power, sin?

Because we are not perfect and make mistakes

 

[vekarppe]

The following passage tells us we had better not sin!

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

What is "sin" here? Any sin or something specific sin?

 

[vekarppe]

Because we are not perfect and make mistakes

Indeed. And sin's reign is not over yet, though we are freed fom it; sin is still present. Therefore Paul also exhort us in verse 14, "Do not let sin [continue to] reign [as it did before salvation] in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts." Paul is saying that to obey sin's lusts is same as letting it reing again; isn't he?

 

[holyrokker]

Because we are not perfect and make mistakes

But is sinning the same as making mistakes?

 

[Celticflower]

Sometimes. If you make the wrong choice in some situations the result is sin. (ie: should I tell my best friend about so and so's affair with her boss or keep my mouth shut. Choosing to spill the beans is a big mistake and is gossip)

 

[Giver]

What is "sin" here? Any sin or something specific sin?

It says deliberately commit any sins. The key word here is deliberately. ​

The following passage gives us a better understanding of who it is that should be free of sin. ​

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(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”​

 

[IamAdopted]

Yea, you are absolutely right. It shows that sin won't reign [be master] over us any longer.

So back to the question, Why do we, believers, being freed from sin and its power, sin?

Because that what we want to do is far from us and it is no longer I that do this but the sin that dwelleth within me or wretched man that I am.. Paul had the same problem with this.. Our human bodies are fallen. Sin dwells in them.. So the desires of our flesh come up and tempt us and yup weak as we are we sometimes fall. Then we Confess our sin and He cleanses us from our sin. The more we confess it the more we are cleansed of it. I think you’re one new nature; you have one new person. You don’t have two natures; you have one nature. You live in Christ; Christ lives in you. But there’s sin in your humanness, and until you shed your humanness, you can never see the full manifestation of that righteousness.

 

[Giver]

Because that what we want to do is far from us and it is no longer I that do this but the sin that dwelleth within me or wretched man that I am.. Paul had the same problem with this.. Our human bodies are fallen. Sin dwells in them.. So the desires of our flesh come up and tempt us and yup weak as we are we sometimes fall. Then we Confess our sin and He cleanses us from our sin. The more we confess it the more we are cleansed of it. I think you’re one new nature; you have one new person. You don’t have two natures; you have one nature. You live in Christ; Christ lives in you. But there’s sin in your humanness, and until you shed your humanness, you can never see the full manifestation of that righteousness.

I know you want to believe what you just wrote, but it is not true. Paul goes on to explain:


(Romans 8:1-4) “the reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.

 

[vekarppe]

It says deliberately commit any sins. The key word here is deliberately.​

Are you now taking the verse out of context? What about the word gar, "for" ?
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[IamAdopted]

So this means?
1Jn 1:1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life--
1Jn 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
1Jn 1:3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.
1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
1Jn 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

 

[Giver]

Are you now taking the verse out of context? What about the word gar, "for" ?​

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It is a shame how many times, that when someone doesn’t like what the Word of God says, they make like it was taken out of context. Why don’t you just accept what it says? If you don’t understand then ask Jesus.

 

[IamAdopted]

So are you saying giver that you have no sin?

 

[squint]

Few if any believers can come to grips with the fact that when sin transpires in flesh or mind, that action is OF THE DEVIL.

The same "deception" that causes the sin to transpire is the same "deception" that will DENY SIN IS OF THE DEVIL and will continue to blame "mankind" or just about anything else BUT the Devil.

That is how John the Apostle was enabled to write thusly (not in the fashion of dumbed down current versions):

1 John 3:
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Many a modern version adds the words "continue" BECAUSE they do not understand the very basic premise of the OCCUPANCY of sin indwelling the flesh as being OF THE DEVIL. They simply cannot or are not allowed by that same sin indwelling to ADMIT THE TRUTH of their present condition. The accusers of the "brethren" start their accusations IN YOU when you do not divide YOURSELF as Gods child FROM THAT presence.

Yet we have more than ample SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE of the presence of THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS in the flesh, yes, even in the flesh of CHRISTIANS.

Anyone who falsely thinks themselves "immune" to such actions in deed or even in the mind is sorely deceived.

When SIN transpires, such things are of THE EVIL ONE, not of Gods offspring whom ALL of mankind are.

enjoy!

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