why does India have the highest rate of incest

vajradhara said:

on a personal level, i find the methodology of staticial formulation to be problematic, at best, and down right dishonest at worse. there is nothing more inane, in my view, than asking a very small subset of people a question and the extrapolating that to be indicative of the mass of people as a whole.

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Fuzzy said:

I agree that there's always a risk you'll get a "predisposed" population,
a population that has a high incident of giving one answer, but unless you
want to ask everyone in the demographic, extrapolating from a smaller
group is the only way to get results.

(shrug)

a hazard of surveys.

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The HIndu religion obviously does not justify any thing of the sort.
Similarly, those who accuse the Quran of justifying killing non-Muslims (Theowne, I am talking about you), should know that things arent what they seem to be.
Muslims have a different explanation for all the verse you accuse to be oprdering murder, and other evil stuff etc...

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vajradhara said:

perhaps, as technology improves and becomes more pervasive, it will be possible to have an "instant poll" whereby a great majority of the beings in any given area will be able to respond.

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satay said:

datlistan.org is a maleccha site. Some mullas are also dalits.

satay

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saladin1970 said:

I am very concerned about the incest rate in India.
It seems that it is related to the hindu scriptures that talk of Brahma having sexual relationships with Sarasvati


[size=+1]Vedic Sanction of Incest

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[size=+1]One of the most irrefutable facts proving that Hinduism is evil right at its very foundation is the fact that the Vedas justify the beastly act of incest as a `sacred act'. This was no doubt an outcome of the strict practice of `brahmacharya' which produced hoards of sexually starved psychopathic sadhus. It is these mad sadhu Brahmins, the authors of the concocted Vedas, who justified and legalised incast. Indeed, the Vedas enjoin incest as a kind of marriage. This fact was utilised by Brahma when convincing his daughter Sarasvati (also known as Padma) to succumb to his unlimited lust : [/size]

[size=+1]" 8. On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her. How could a daughter give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child. "

-- ( Puran ) [/size]
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[size=+1]This is the Vedic verse in Sanskrit which justifies incest and which was quoted by Brahma : [/size]

[size=+1]“Mathara Mupathya, susara Mupatithe, Puthrartheetha.

Sagamarthi, Napathra loka, nasthee thath.
Saravam paravo vindu ha, dasmath Puthrar tham.
Matharam suransathee Rehathee”
- ( Veda, cited in Puran ) [/size]
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[size=+1]Tranlated this verse means [/size]

[size=+1]" For the sake of a child one can enjoy his own sister or daughter, without any sin attached to it. "

( Puran ) [/size]
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[size=+1]There are other abundant examples of incest from the Vedic age. These prove that the Vedic Aryans regularly practiced incest of the father-daughter type and the brother-sister type ( Sita ). Moreover, the Vedas fully legalise this abominable practice. These evil practices continued right throughout the Brahmanic Dark Ages of 2599 years (1500 BC - 1000 AD). Thus, for example, Rama maried his sister Sita when she was still only 6 years old ( Sitaram ).[/size]

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saladin1970 said:

well ask the BBC where they got those figures from, and whilst you are at it, ask the hindu gods why they authorise it in the verdas??

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will you renounce these evil practices and the books that promote such practices???

Aitareya Brahmana.III.33
Satapatha Brahmana.I.7.4.1ff; XIV, 4.2.1ff;
Matsya Purana.III.32 ff;
Bhagavata Purana.III.12.28ff.

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This Sanskrit verse is from Puranas and is intended to mean differently than what is translated literally above. To understand the full import of this verse, we need to understand the purpose and place of the Puranas in Hindu tradition.

Puranas constitute Hindu mythology. Hindu mythology is not written to provide emotional or intellectual entertainment, or satisfy one's idle curiosity. The sole purpose of the Puranas is to bring forth morals to help build one's character. Thus, Hindu mythology is moral-based. This means that each episode is designed to bring forth a particular moral (or morals) for the development of one's conduct in one's individual, social and religious life.

Although Puranas are called secondary scriptures, they are not scriptures in the narrow sense scriptures are understood in other religions. Puranas are tales and fables, which were created in the ancient times to expound teachings of the primary scriptures (called Sruti) for the benefit of those, who could not comprehend the deep philosophy of the primary scriptures. Some of the Puranas are based upon true-life stories of the ancient kings, queens, and heroes. Others are based upon only imagery and imagination. In Puranas, neither genuineness of the character is important, nor is the purity and truthfulness of the story. Only the moral is important. This is why there are some popular religious stories (such as Satyanarayan Katha), where even gods are depicted as mean, power-hungry and revengeful, and in some cases outright mean and partial. However, when you look at the moral of the story, it is meaningful and wonderful. Whether the story is true or not is immaterial.

Sexual energy is the most potent energy in humans and animals. In animals, it is controlled by the Nature through a control system called instinct. In humans, it is controlled by the free will exerted by the mind in three different ways. By self-control (celibacy), this energy is transformed into spiritual energy, as has been demonstrated by Yogis of India over thousands of years. In addition to attaining spiritual perfection, these Yogis were able to develop supernatural powers by transformation of this energy. Through the institution of marriage, this energy is transformed for constructive purposes, such as raising one's family. If uncontrolled, sexual instinct can lead to one's own physical and spiritual degeneration. In Hindu tradition, a gown-up unmarried daughter is advised to keep a distance from her own male relatives and friends. Even the father is advised not to spend time alone even with his own unmarried grown-up daughter, lest the impulse may overtake his judgment. In Hindu culture, at least in ancient times, many restrictions were placed on women for this very reason. With this background, let us analyze the above verse.

"On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her."

Here the story is not viewed to be real, only the moral is to be considered important. The moral of this story is that a gown-up unmarried girl should not be allowed to remain alone in the company of a male. This guidance even applies to the father of that girl. This is why, in Hindu culture, even a father is advised not to spend time alone with his own grown-up unmarried daughter. This is the message the ancients wanted to bring forth for their society through the above verse.

"How could a daughter give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child."

This simply means that the sexual instinct is powerful (it does not matter, whether it is a Hindu or anyone else) and a man will try to give all plausible arguments to seduce the woman (even try to interpret scriptures to help satisfy his lust). No Hindu scripture allows free sex in order to give birth to a child. Sexual energy must be controlled through the institution of marriage to create a family in accordance with the demands of Dharma (Hindu moral and ethical code).

In conclusion, the above verse (and entire Hindu mythology) must be studied with questioning attitude. Why should such a verse appear in a scripture? What is the purpose of such a description? Once such questions are raised, the answers are intuitive.

I reviewed the contents of the web site: http://www.periyar.org/mr/984mr12.htm
It appears to me that the intent of the sponsors is to literally translate Sanskrit words into English and make their conclusions based upon their own understanding (rather misunderstanding). A conditioned mind cannot see with clarity, because its own conditioning clouds its vision.

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According to the Feminist Majority Foundation in 1999, 1 in 3 American women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. According to a study conducted by Snynder and Sickmund in 1999, 1 in 3 sexual assault victims are under the age of 12.

According to the National Violence Against Women Survey in 1998, the United States has the highest rape rate among countries that report such statistics. It is 4 times higher than in Germany, 13 times higher than in England, and 20 times higher than in Japan.

And 'stranger-rape' is in the minority. According to the Bureau of Justice, in 1997, almost 80% of rapes were perpetuated by someone who knew the victim. In 1998, the National Violence Against Women Survey corroborated those findings. It reported that 78% of women who are raped or physically assaulted are attacked by a current or former husband, live-in partner or date.

The survey also reported that the incidence of false reporting of rape is 2%, which is consistent with the rates of false reporting for almost every other crime.

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saladin1970 said:

This is the very point. Most scriptures contain stories and fable to impart a moral lesson.
Now when the gods who are worshiped sleep with their daughters, what moral lesson do we learn from that, or are we expected to learn from that, and more to the point what moral lesson has been learnt from that (a.k.a the statistics on incest in india)

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Sexual energy is the most potent energy in humans and animals. In animals, it is controlled by the Nature through a control system called instinct. In humans, it is controlled by the free will exerted by the mind in three different ways. By self-control (celibacy), this energy is transformed into spiritual energy, as has been demonstrated by Yogis of India over thousands of years. In addition to attaining spiritual perfection, these Yogis were able to develop supernatural powers by transformation of this energy. Through the institution of marriage, this energy is transformed for constructive purposes, such as raising one's family. If uncontrolled, sexual instinct can lead to one's own physical and spiritual degeneration. In Hindu tradition, a gown-up unmarried daughter is advised to keep a distance from her own male relatives and friends. Even the father is advised not to spend time alone even with his own unmarried grown-up daughter, lest the impulse may overtake his judgment. In Hindu culture, at least in ancient times, many restrictions were placed on women for this very reason. With this background, let us analyze the above verse.

"On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her."

Here the story is not viewed to be real, only the moral is to be considered important. The moral of this story is that a gown-up unmarried girl should not be allowed to remain alone in the company of a male. This guidance even applies to the father of that girl. This is why, in Hindu culture, even a father is advised not to spend time alone with his own grown-up unmarried daughter. This is the message the ancients wanted to bring forth for their society through the above verse.

"How could a daughter give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child."

This simply means that the sexual instinct is powerful (it does not matter, whether it is a Hindu or anyone else) and a man will try to give all plausible arguments to seduce the woman (even try to interpret scriptures to help satisfy his lust). No Hindu scripture allows free sex in order to give birth to a child. Sexual energy must be controlled through the institution of marriage to create a family in accordance with the demands of Dharma (Hindu moral and ethical code).

In conclusion, the above verse (and entire Hindu mythology) must be studied with questioning attitude. Why should such a verse appear in a scripture? What is the purpose of such a description? Once such questions are raised, the answers are intuitive.

I reviewed the contents of the web site: http://www.periyar.org/mr/984mr12.htm
It appears to me that the intent of the sponsors is to literally translate Sanskrit words into English and make their conclusions based upon their own understanding (rather misunderstanding). A conditioned mind cannot see with clarity, because its own conditioning clouds its vision.

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