Why does God need to torture?

[brinny]

Since God is Omnipresent, there's no place we can go where He isn't present also (see Psalm 139).





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Just as God turned His back on and His face away from Jesus the Christ hanging on the cross, there will come a day when He will do the same in a finality the world has not seen. Just as He with His own hand shut the door of the ark, He will shut the door of opportunity for His grace. For He declares Himself in His Word that He will not always strive with man.

God is merely waiting.....for His appointed time.

 

[Tavita]

Hell, what is to come after the Judgement is the absence of God. It is reserved for the rebellious ones...

not sure what your point is in the quotes you posted.

Hell is only the place of the dead. It is thrown into the Lake of Fire AFTER the great judgment. The Lake of Fire is described as being in the presence of the angels and the Lamb. There is no place that is not where God is.

I think the verses spoke for themselves.

 

[Tavita]

Just as God turned His back on and His face away from Jesus the Christ hanging on the cross, there will come a day when He will do the same in a finality the world has not seen. Just as He with His own hand shut the door of the ark, He will shut the door of opportunity for His grace. For He declares Himself in His Word that He will not always strive with man.

God is merely waiting.....for His appointed time.

Jesus died on the cross once for all, he took the wrath of God once for all. God will no longer turn His face from anyone... this was already fulfilled on the cross.

 

[brinny]

Well let's see, there's you, uh-huh, and then there's God's declaration. There is a day coming when heaven and earth will flee away and those on earth will attempt to hide from Him. To come face to face with the living God is a terrible thing, if we are coming without the cloak of Jesus grace to cover us. God is holy. In reading about God's holiness and how He describes Himsdelf, it is quite fierce. Nothing can stand before His wrath. It is coming. It is declared in His Word. You are familiar with His Word. You should know this.

 

[brinny]

Jesus died on the cross once for all, he took the wrath of God once for all. God will no longer turn His face from anyone... this was already fulfilled on the cross.

Hmmmm..what is it Jesus the Christ was saving us from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BftK06E064Y

 

[Poverello78]

Although I fervently believe in 'hell' (although perhaps not in the same way many of you likely do), I can not totally agree that hell is an "absence of God" or "apart from God". I say this because I believe it is by God that anything does exist and may continue to exist; thus, if there is any sort of 'hellish' existence, it must necessarily be created and supported by God (whatever the specifics may be).

I don't profess to have the precise answer to what 'hell' may be, but I do know what it must entail in order to exist at all. I'm more than happy to discuss it further.

 

[brinny]

Although I fervently believe in 'hell' (although perhaps not in the same way many of you likely do), I can not totally agree that hell is an "absence of God" or "apart from God". I say this because I believe it is by God that anything does exist and may continue to exist; thus, if there is any sort of 'hellish' existence, it must necessarily be created and supported by God (whatever the specifics may be).

I don't profess to have the precise answer to what 'hell' may be, but I do know what it must entail in order to exist at all. I'm more than happy to discuss it further.

i'll take ya up on that. discuss it further.

 

[Poverello78]

i'll take ya up on that. discuss it further.

Hey, I said discuss, not write an essay.

Do you have any questions or opinions about what I said?

 

[Tavita]

Well let's see, there's you, uh-huh, and then there's God's declaration. There is a day coming when heaven and earth will flee away and those on earth will attempt to hide from Him. To come face to face with the living God is a terrible thing, if we are coming without the cloak of Jesus grace to cover us. God is holy. In reading about God's holiness and how He describes Himsdelf, it is quite fierce. Nothing can stand before His wrath. It is coming. It is declared in His Word. You are familiar with His Word. You should know this.

Of course I know this. Did I ever say there will not be a reckoning? But it does not mean He will turn His face or back on anyone.

 

[brinny]

yes. what is your answer on hell based on?

 

[HuntingMan]

Hmmmm..what is it Jesus the Christ was saving us from?

According to SOME here His death is saving us 'from' nothing at all...His death is made a complete joke by this heresy...

 

[brinny]

Of course I know this. Did I ever say there will not be a reckoning? But it does not mean He will turn His face or back on anyone.

i could be wrong, sister in Christ, but for some reason i get a sense you're yelling sorta as you type your words.

Wanna talk about it?

 

[HuntingMan]

Hell is only the place of the dead. It is thrown into the Lake of Fire AFTER the great judgment. The Lake of Fire is described as being in the presence of the angels and the Lamb. There is no place that is not where God is.

I think the verses spoke for themselves.

And that place is described as being eternal.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Hmmmm..what is it Jesus the Christ was saving us from?

According to SOME here His death is saving us 'from' nothing at all...His death is made a complete joke by this heresy...

Tragic, isn't it?

 

[Tavita]

yes. what is your answer on hell based on?

The Greek word, Hades, and the Hebrew, Sheol, are the place of the dead until the resurrections which are translated as Hell in our older versions of the Bible.

Gehenna was a rubbish dump outside the gates of Jerusalem where the bodies of criminals were thrown. There were also huge worms that lived in the dump and the fires burned continuously. They burn no longer as the area is a parkland now.

The Lake of Fire is the second death described only in the Revelation of Jesus Christ where the enemies of God are burned. Nowhere in scripture does it say this burning is endless. To go into the Greek meanings of the words, forever, eternal and eternity is another subject, but the English words to not really portray the real meanings/interpretations of the words.
The second death takes place after the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[brinny]

The Greek word, Hades, and the Hebrew, Sheol, are the place of the dead until the resurrections which are translated as Hell in our older versions of the Bible.

Gehenna was a rubbish dump outside the gates of Jerusalem where the bodies of criminals were thrown. There were also huge worms that lived in the dump and the fires burned continuously. They burn no longer as the area is a parkland now.

The Lake of Fire is the second death described only in the Revelation of Jesus Christ where the enemies of God are burned. Nowhere in scripture does it say this burning is endless. To go into the Greek meanings of the words, forever, eternal and eternity is another subject, but the English words to not really portray the real meanings/interpretations of the words.
The second death takes place after the Great White Throne Judgment.

Yet, God speaks differently on it. There have always, always will be, those that question..."did He really say..?"...from waaay back in the Garden of Eden the same dynamic took place. God calls the originator of this dynamic a liar and the father of lies.

 

[Tavita]

Tragic, isn't it?

The tragedy is in assuming you think you know what we believe.

Scripture says He saved us from sin and death..... where does it say He saved us from endless torment?

How can He save us from endless torment when He didn't go there Himself?

Death is the last enemy that will be destroyed... how can anyone 'live' in death endlessly? It's an oxymoron. Unbelievers do not have immortality.

 

[brinny]

The tragedy is in assuming you think you know what we believe.

Scripture says He saved us from sin and death..... where does it say He saved us from endless torment?

How can He save us from endless torment when He didn't go there Himself?

Death is the last enemy that will be destroyed... how can anyone 'live' in death endlessly? It's an oxymoron. Unbelievers do not have immortality.

you know there is a source that can clear up all your confusion. It's called the Bible.

 

[Tavita]

Yet, God speaks differently on it. There have always, always will be, those that question..."did He really say..?"...from waaay back in the Garden of Eden the same dynamic took place. God calls the originator of this dynamic a liar and the father of lies.

Can you show me what you're talking about in reference to Hell?

Can you also show me where in Genesis God declared that the consequences for sin is an endless torment? Can you show me anywhere in the OT that He declared this to man?

What did He say was the consequence for sin? You tell me...

 

[Tavita]

you know there is a source that can clear up all your confusion. It's called the Bible.

Oh deary me!

Better get your head into it too, you obviously have not studied up on any of this.