Why does God choose to remain invisible and undetectable?

[True Scotsman]

Then it is just as imaginary as things like Spiderman and Superman.

Aye.

 

[Tree of Life]

Not by all, only by those who already believe.

This scriptures are clear that God is seen and known by all. You can deny that this is true in your case but here we'll have to agree to disagree.

Such as......

All the major stuff is recorded in scripture.

People claiming to be prophets are only credible to those who already believe.

This isn't how it's gone down in history. Most prophets who are accepted today were not accepted during their time or were not accepted until they showed some miraculous sign that God had really sent them.

Another person claiming to be God has no credibility.

Not per se. But if he can back up that claim that's another thing. Rising from the dead might do it.

As much corruption that has been found in churches, it shouldn't surprise you they have little credibility either.

Indeed hypocrisy hurts the credibility of the church. Corruption per se shouldn't hurt our credibility. We fully confess that we are sinful and corrupt. But if we pretend that we're perfect and conceal our sin then that would indeed hurt our witness.

If that were true, you wouldn't need faith because you would have proof.

Faith in the biblical sense has little to do with proof. Faith is more about relational trust. It's clear to all that God exists. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not we trust Him and submit to His authority.

 

[talquin]

This scriptures are clear that God is seen and known by all. You can deny that this is true in your case but here we'll have to agree to disagree.

If true, then you may want to propose a new definition of 'God'.

Faith in the biblical sense has little to do with proof. Faith is more about relational trust. It's clear to all that God exists. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not we trust Him and submit to His authority.

With respect to this statement, what is your definition of 'Him'?

 

[talquin]

Please describe when and where God has manifested himself in reality.

All the major stuff is recorded in scripture. I assume you're familiar with the Bible but maybe you're not. Let me know if you need me to elaborate on that.

Dates and geographic locations please. If you can't provide that, then I'm skeptical that your belief that a god exists is genuine.

 

[bhsmte]

This scriptures are clear that God is seen and known by all. You can deny that this is true in your case but here we'll have to agree to disagree.



All the major stuff is recorded in scripture.



This isn't how it's gone down in history. Most prophets who are accepted today were not accepted during their time or were not accepted until they showed some miraculous sign that God had really sent them.


Not per se. But if he can back up that claim that's another thing. Rising from the dead might do it.


Indeed hypocrisy hurts the credibility of the church. Corruption per se shouldn't hurt our credibility. We fully confess that we are sinful and corrupt. But if we pretend that we're perfect and conceal our sin then that would indeed hurt our witness.



Faith in the biblical sense has little to do with proof. Faith is more about relational trust. It's clear to all that God exists. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not we trust Him and submit to His authority.

Wouldnt a god know what each person requires to trust him?

 

[Tree of Life]

Dates and geographic locations please. If you can't provide that, then I'm skeptical that your belief that a god exists is genuine.

Mt. Sinai roughly 1500BC - miraculous deliverance of Israel from Egypt. God appears on Mount Sinai.
Jerusalem roughly 33AD - miraculous resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

 

[Tree of Life]

Wouldnt a god know what each person requires to trust him?

Indeed. He has provided all that is necessary for all people to trust Him and He specifically and personally provides grace and faith for all those whom He will ultimately save.

 

[Davian]

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It's clear to all that God exists. That's not the issue.
...

No, that is precisely the issue. If you think you have some mind-reading trick that works on me, you are very mistaken.

Talking about gods as if they are real is not evidence that they are real.

 

[Tree of Life]

No, that is precisely the issue. If you think you have some mind-reading trick that works on me, you are very mistaken.

Talking about gods as if they are real is not evidence that they are real.

I claim that you know God, you just don't like his existence and are in rebellion against Him.

You claim that you simply have no knowledge of any gods.

Here we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[RDKirk]

So it's some kind of gullibility test.

If that's the way you want to take it.

 

[bhsmte]

Indeed. He has provided all that is necessary for all people to trust Him and He specifically and personally provides grace and faith for all those whom He will ultimately save.

I dont think so.

 

[Viren]

God is detectable for those who believe and wait for him.

 

[bhsmte]

I claim that you know God, you just don't like his existence and are in rebellion against Him.

You claim that you simply have no knowledge of any gods.

Here we'll have to agree to disagree.

Demonstrate your claim to be true.

 

[talquin]

Wouldnt a god know what each person requires to trust him?

If such a god knows everything, then he would know precisely what it would take for each person to believe he exists. For more on this, watch this short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzlMblBQpQ

 

[talquin]

Mt. Sinai roughly 1500BC - miraculous deliverance of Israel from Egypt. God appears on Mount Sinai.
Jerusalem roughly 33AD - miraculous resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

What reputable scientific journals document these occurrences as real?

Why would the deliverance of one country from another country constitute evidence of a supreme being?

If 1500BC at Mt. Sinai was the only time God appeared, then how do you account for all these other instances of people claiming God appeared to them?

 

[bhsmte]

God is detectable for those who believe and wait for him.

I agree. If one has a psychological need to believe in a god, they will find a way to justify the belief.

Not saying this is right or wrong, it just is what it is.

 

[Tree of Life]

Demonstrate your claim to be true.

This can be done in two ways. The first and simplest is from scripture. The Bible says that this is the case. If you're interested in hearing the Biblical case here I can show you.

I can also try to show how there are certain beliefs that Davian undoubtedly holds that are identical to belief in God, though he may not call them theistic beliefs.

Which would you prefer? Maybe both?

 

[talquin]

God is detectable for those who believe and wait for him.

Why would God want to be detectable to only those who aren't skeptical? Isn't it the skeptical who need to be convinced?

 

[Tree of Life]

What reputable scientific journals document these occurrences as real?

Are you looking for scientific work that attempts to verify the biblical accounts?

Why would the deliverance of one country from another country constitute evidence of a supreme being?

Have you ever read the Exodus account?

If 1500BC at Mt. Sinai was the only time God appeared, then how do you account for all these other instances of people claiming God appeared to them?

It's far from the only time that God has appeared. It's just a pretty famous one.

 

[bhsmte]

This can be done in two ways. The first and simplest is from scripture. The Bible says that this is the case. If you're interested in hearing the Biblical case here I can show you.

I can also try to show how there are certain beliefs that Davian undoubtedly holds that are identical to belief in God, though he may not call them theistic beliefs.

Which would you prefer? Maybe both?

Both.

And when you use scripture, dont forget to show us how that scripture has been shown to be credible and not just someone writing something down. And no, you cant claim it is credible, because the bible says so, that would be circular.