Why does God choose to remain invisible and undetectable?

[WoundedDeep]

If somewhere in a remote part of the world, if a group of people claimed their dead messiah's body disappeared and that he was resurrected, would you believe them?

I would if they are willing to be killed for their statements. Jesus' disciples faced that fate, so I believe.

 

[bhsmte]

I would if they are willing to be killed for their statements. Jesus' disciples faced that fate, so I believe.

That would mean then you believe in those in Islam, who are willing to sacrifice their life for their beliefs.

People believe things for all sorts of psychological reasons and those beliefs may in fact be so strong, they are willing to sacrifice their life, but it doesn't make the beliefs true. Basic human psychology shows us this is the case, regarding personal beliefs.

 

[WoundedDeep]

With evidence like that, you should immediately joint the team of Phd's, that have desperately tried to come up with a falsifiable test for design (or even a definition of design) and have failed.

You would be their hero!

Let us know when you have a falsifiable test for design, that meets scientific guidelines.

I am not the only one nor am I the first to come up with such explanations. There are so much scientific research done that supports the notion of careful design of the universe, people are just turning a blind eye to them and listening to what they like to hear. They look at only one side of the story and ignore everything else.

There are scientists out there who might have much more plausible explanations that the universe is a careful design. Look them up if you are ever interested.

 

[WoundedDeep]

That would mean then you believe in those in Islam, who are willing to sacrifice their life for their beliefs.

People believe things for all sorts of psychological reasons and those beliefs may in fact be so strong, they are willing to sacrifice their life, but it doesn't make the beliefs true. Basic human psychology shows us this is the case, regarding personal beliefs.

I already said I did study about Islam and knew it to be a religion with doctrines that are wholly contradicting and even immoral.

You still don't understand the difference. Islam calls its followers to kill unbelievers in the name of Allah, that's murder. Christians do not kill but are killed by others. Immorality cannot coexist with God.

 

[bhsmte]

I am not the only one nor am I the first to come up with such explanations. There are so much scientific research done that supports the notion of careful design of the universe, people are just turning a blind eye to them and listening to what they like to hear. They look at only one side of the story and ignore everything else.

There are scientists out there who might have much more plausible explanations that the universe is a careful design. Look them up if you are ever interested.

The explanations design proponents come up with are a dime a dozen. As I explained, even the Phd scientists (the handful) who believe in design, can not come up with a scientific definition of design and or a falsifiable test, to determine if design is present.

Those are the facts and this was blatantly evident, in the Dover trial.

 

[bhsmte]

I already said I did study about Islam and knew it to be a religion with doctrines that are wholly contradicting and even immoral.

You still don't understand the difference. Islam calls its followers to kill unbelievers in the name of Allah, that's murder. Christians do not kill but are killed by others. Immorality cannot coexist with God.

Plenty of people through history have been willing to be killed for their beliefs, so that must mean you give credibilty to those beliefs.

And, christians dont kill? Give me a break.

 

[WoundedDeep]

Plenty of people through history have been willing to be killed for their beliefs, so that must mean you give credibilty to those beliefs.

And, christians dont kill? Give me a break.

This statement has been made again and again, I feel like I'm just going in circles. When Jesus died on the Cross, He promised He will be resurrected. If that never happened, Christianity would not have existed in the first place. End of conclusion.

Christians who kill in the name of God are not Christians, simple as that.

 

[bhsmte]

This statement has been made again and again, I feel like I'm just going in circles.

Christians who kill in the name of God are not Christians, simple as that.

Yep, like hitting the "easy" button. When christians do things you dont like, they cease to be christians.

 

[WoundedDeep]

Yep, like hitting the "easy" button. When christians do things you dont like, they cease to be christians.

Who said it was about personal preferences? The fundamentals of Christianity is a life of morality and God-honoring. One who goes against the teachings of his faith is a hypocrite, that's not hitting the "easy" button.

 

[Smidlee]

Who said it was about personal preferences? The fundamentals of Christianity is a life of morality and God-honoring. One who goes against the teachings of his faith is a hypocrite, that's not hitting the "easy" button.

bhsmte is asking you how to prove something that is design is not design.
For example how could you prove Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" was not a product of intelligent designed? Dawkin believe his book is intelligent designed so in what way could we prove him wrong?

Again it goes back to atheist assuming designs in nature are illusions yet shows no evidence that it's an illusion.

 

[WoundedDeep]

bhsmte is asking you how to prove something that is design is not design.
For example how could you prove Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" was not a product of intelligent designed? Dawkin believe his book is intelligent designed so in what way could we prove him wrong?

Again it goes back to atheist assuming designs in nature are illusions yet shows no evidence that it's an illusion.

For something not to be designed, ie. it occurs by chance, it will mean there are no observable patterns to how it works. For instance, gravity will cease to be observed as a pattern in the formation of stars and the orbiting of planets.

There is no evidence for the illusion of design because design is never an illusion. Physics and other realms of science would be totally meaningless and unreliable in explaining our world if the universe operates on chance rather than design.

 

[bhsmte]

bhsmte is asking you how to prove something that is design is not design.
For example how could you prove Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" was not a product of intelligent designed? Dawkin believe his book is intelligent designed so in what way could we prove him wrong?

Again it goes back to atheist assuming designs in nature are illusions yet shows no evidence that it's an illusion.

Do you have a scientific definition of design and a falsfiable test to determine if it is present?

 

[Smidlee]

Do you have a scientific definition of design and a falsfiable test to determine if it is present?

We have trouble with an exact scientific definition of life yet we seem to be able to know when something alive. Science (or materialism) is not my religion /worldview so I don't assume it can explain nor define everything.

 

[WoundedDeep]

Do you have a scientific definition of design and a falsfiable test to determine if it is present?

Do you understand what the implications of an un-designed universe are on the reliability and usefulness of any form of science?

 

[bhsmte]

Do you understand what the implications of an un-designed universe are on the reliability and usefulness of any form of science?

Explain them to me and please support your explanation with objective evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

We have trouble with an exact scientific definition of life yet we seem to be able to know when something alive. Science (or materialism) is not my religion /worldview so I don't assume it can explain nor define everything.

Ok, you have nothing then.

 

[WoundedDeep]

Explain them to me and please support your explanation with objective evidence.

I just did in my post to Smidlee. Science aims at predicting and explaining the world around us by defining the patterns or the processes that govern the universe. If the universe operates on chances and not by design, predictability will cease to exist and science becomes a wholly redundant and meaningless exploit.

 

[bhsmte]

I just did in my post to Smidlee. Science aims at predicting and explaining the world around us by defining the patterns or the processes that govern the universe. If the universe operates on chances and not by design, predictability will cease to exist and science becomes a wholly redundant and meaningless exploit.

That is rhetoric.

Do you know what objective evidence is?

 

[WoundedDeep]

That is rhetoric.

Do you know what objective evidence is?

Why do you demand that I give objective evidence when it is all around us? Why do people rely on science if the universe cannot be predicted and operates by chance?

Please apply logic and then you will see the evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

Do I need to provide objective evidence when it is all around us? Why do people rely on science if the universe cannot be predicted and operates by chance?

Please apply logic and then you will see the evidence.

You have nothing, other than a faith belief you are correct, which doesnt appear to be good enough for you.

When you have a scientific definition of design, let us know. When you have a falsifiable test to determine if design is present, let us know.