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No. It isn't part of His "definition". It is the quality that is under scrutiny in this thread.Christian definition of God, of course, includes His "goodness".
When you get more into deeper theology about the highest substance (deeper than what is written about Israel), then you will see that His goodness is not under any scrutiny.No. It isn't part of His "definition". It is the quality that is under scrutiny in this thread.
I know folks like to say, "If God isn't good, then my God doesn't exist" but that's just a silly semantics game. If there is an omnipotent, omniscient deity that introduced Himself to Israel a few thousand years ago who goes by the name of Yahweh, then your God exists whether He's good or evil.
It is under scrutiny whether you think it's been proved elsewhere or not.When you get more into deeper theology about the highest substance (deeper than what is written about Israel), then you will see that His goodness is not under any scrutiny.
In Christianity, it is not under any scrutiny.It is under scrutiny whether you think it's been proved elsewhere or not.
Of course it isn't under scrutiny by Christians. That doesn't mean everyone else has to assume all of your beliefs are true.In Christianity, it is not under any scrutiny.
Okay, so prove God is good so that you can prove there's an unknown good reason for suffering.
How can a perfect thing (God) not make a universe without suffering except by choice?In the way that someone's nature and someone's creation/product is not the same thing.
Which makes no sense at all.G-d does not want us to understand the suffering if the innocent but to fight for a world in which the innocent no longer suffer.
I for one have never done an actually evil thing and I have free will."Free will necessarily leads to choosing evil at least some of the time"
But he can also bring good out of nothing. So why even bother with suffering?God can bring good out of suffering.
It is a choice. Its not a contradiction to say that God "chooses" the best, even though there is no time process of choosing we know as humans. In Him its all eternally present.How can a perfect thing (God) not make a universe without suffering except by choice?
It’s been an interesting discussion but I think we have gone as far as we can.
That’s just more unsubstantiated claims that people only believe if they already believe in God.No one is good—except God alone.
Lk 18:19
...then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
R 12:2
God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
1J 1:5
God cannot be tempted by evil
Jm 1:13
He chose the one he did for his reasons. This one includes suffering when he has the ability to exclude suffering and the universe function in the way he wants. The universe cannot function in a way that is not pleasing to him.It is a choice. Its not a contradiction to say that God "chooses" the best, even though there is no time process of choosing we know as humans. In Him its all eternally present.
The apostolic claims about God are consistent with natural philosophy. You can even see in their vocabulary that they were used to Greek concepts.That’s just more unsubstantiated claims that people only believe if they already believe in God.
So it’s usefulness is not very high in this discussion.
Can you state in your own words how this is so?The apostolic claims about God are consistent with natural philosophy.
If you check philosophy about God, you will not get something too different from the Christian concept of God.Can you state in your own words how this is so?
The Bible is the claim.No one is good—except God alone.
Lk 18:19
...then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
R 12:2
God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
1J 1:5
God cannot be tempted by evil
Jm 1:13
And I do ten evil things a day by 6am, but I don't have free will. I'm just a clay pot.I for one have never done an actually evil thing and I have free will.
Its a proof that in Christianity, the goodness of God is not under any scrutiny.The Bible is the claim.
Orel: "Free will necessarily leads to choosing evil at least some of the time"
If that is wrong, then God was capable of creating a world with free will that no one chooses evil.
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