Why does God allow suffering? Bear in mind, those that don't need a perfect distraction, suffer less

How less than perfect can God's answer to suffering be?

  • It has to be perfect!

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  • It's a matter of chance!

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  • It depends on what you've said!

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  • It depends on the Devil!

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  • It depends on lots of things!

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  • It doesn't matter.

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  • It matters a little bit.

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  • I wish it mattered less...

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  • I'm thankful for whatever God can give (selah)

    Votes: 1 16.7%

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Gottservant

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Hello,

There are so many ways to answer that God does everything He can to avoid or abate suffering, that it can seem like no one has a definitive answer. However, we can start to understand that God is in the midst of suffering. For example, that God is able to distract us from suffering. The point is not that God distracts all suffering, where-ever it occurs. But that God shares the burden of suffering, with those that have faith in Him.

This bearing our burdens, as Christ did (watching the Father), is something you can fight or go with. There is wisdom in this, as suffering teaches us to develop character. If we didn't ever suffer, there would be no difference between Heaven and Hell. What we know, is that we can be distracted in degrees. Less suffering, is partly a choice. Partly a commitment, but partly a choice. If we have the opportunity to learn this, our suffering will always be less. This is the promise of God.

What we need to learn, in the process of (mentally) processing this, is that the burden we place on God, directly affects our ability to deal with the suffering that is inevitable. Even if we stayed our entire lives in Heaven, simply leaving Heaven, would be Hell. God's promise is not that we will stay for ever in Heaven, but that we will be able to endure what we suffer because of Hell, whether by someone else's actions or our own. And this is the kicker, we can even avoid suffering while we are suffering.

Avoiding suffering while we are suffering, allows us to be distracted from our suffering, especially suffering we can do nothing about. This is the principle:
Those that don't need a perfect distraction from suffering, suffer less (selah)
It is in effect, being forgiving of what God can do in this life, for the sake of the next. If God suffers, surely suffering has come to an end - for those that have faith in God's suffering. It might be hard to have faith that suffering will come to an end - that is the price of innocence, in one sense - but if we have simpler standards, as to what we will expect from God - in the face of that suffering - we will be going a great long way to ending the suffering that is needless (that is, if you can understand it: an ignorance of God).

God will be there with you in the suffering, but don't wait for your expectations of God, to define your response to His love - whether you are suffering a little or a lot, humility (that God continues to have a plan, for your life) will go a long way to preventing you from adding to that suffering needlessly: that is, asking for a more perfect solution to your suffering than He is able, all His efforts not withstanding, to give you. God wants to give you an end to suffering, but that doesn't mean He can immediately get it to you - be humble about what He can give you, and you will suffer less.

I hope we can understand this, in a bond of fellowship.
I am not trying to diminish anyone's suffering (that is up to God, ultimately).

God bless.
 

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The general answer is quite simple - because the suffering is needed for the best of the creation as a whole.
If God took some of it away, the creation as a whole would not be the best.

Its the emotional side of things that makes it difficult for us to accept the necessity of it.
 
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All I am saying is that there is "suffering", and there is "suffering you can do something about" - these are not the same thing (one is an extension of the other).
We must try to minimize suffering and to resist evil. This fight/resistance against evil is the part of the universe's design.
 
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The general answer is quite simple - because the suffering is needed for the best of the creation as a whole.
If God took some of it away, the creation as a whole would not be the best.

Its the emotional side of things that makes it difficult for us to accept the necessity of it.
But that just kicks the can further down the road. Why did God build reality in such a way as to need suffering?

Being able to do anything, he could have made a perfect reality with or without suffering. But he chose to add in suffering. Not because he needed to: but because he chose to.
 
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But that just kicks the can further down the road. Why did God build reality in such a way as to need suffering?

As I said, even if all you did was live in Heaven, not being able to "enjoy less" would be seen as suffering.

Being able to do anything, he could have made a perfect reality with or without suffering. But he chose to add in suffering. Not because he needed to: but because he chose to.

Distracting from suffering is the best of Heavenly and Hellish worlds, which goes back to the point: if you don't need a perfect distraction, you will suffer less regardless of which world you are in.

This is the perfect compromise (if you want to call it that).
 
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But that just kicks the can further down the road. Why did God build reality in such a way as to need suffering?

Being able to do anything, he could have made a perfect reality with or without suffering. But he chose to add in suffering. Not because he needed to: but because he chose to.
Not sure what you mean. As I said, the best possible world has to contain also some suffering and evil. God chooses the best possible world to exist.

Its not something He chooses to "add" to the best. Its something that is a necessary part of the best.
 
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As I said, the best possible world has to contain also some suffering and evil
Claiming this does not make it so and contradicts the notion that God is capable of anything.
 
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Claiming this does not make it so and contradicts the notion that God is capable of anything.
Of course me claiming it does not make it so. God choosing it makes it so, because God chooses only the best, always.
 
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Claiming this does not make it so and contradicts the notion that God is capable of anything.

You are conflating being perfect, with doing some thing perfectly perfect.

Perfection can be observed, without it affecting Heaven or Hell.
 
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Of course me claiming it does not make it so. God choosing it makes it so, because God chooses only the best, always.
Apart from when he chooses suffering. Otherwise why would it happen?
 
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Apart from when he chooses suffering. Otherwise why would it happen?
As I already said, suffering happens because its a necessary part of the best possible universe. Thats why God allows it to exist in this universe.

He does not choose suffering per se, but as a necessary part of the best combination of things. As a Creator, He must take absolutely everything into consideration and find the best possible balance.
 
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As I already said, suffering happens because its a necessary part of the best possible universe. Thats why God allows it to exist in this universe.

He does not choose suffering per se, but as a necessary part of the best combination of things. As a Creator, He must take absolutely everything into consideration and find the best possible balance.
That would imply that he is subjected to circumstances that he cannot alter in order to "find the best possible balance".

Christians usually deny that God is subject to anything.

I dare say that this is an inevitable conflict in the system, based on the approach to an attempt of an "explanation".

Suffering exists. Suffering is undesirable. So Christians have to explain why God would create or "allow" it.

The "allowing" is already an evasion. It implies that it does not originate from God, in any form. It exists independently from God.
The "because it is necessary" only builds on that. It makes God subject to a system that he cannot change. A system that exists indepently from him.

Fine. A possible concept of God.

But then, Christians also claim that God is the only thing that is "necessary" and that there is no existence independent from God. They need that idea to promote their view of God as the ultimate, infinity, absolute being.

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That would imply that he is subjected to circumstances that he cannot alter in order to "find the best possible balance".

Not sure what you mean by that. God saw all possible universes and created the best one. What about circumstances or altering?
 
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Not sure what you mean by that. God saw all possible universes and created the best one. What about circumstances or altering?
Consider: can God create a different best universe?

According to what you said earlier: no, he cannot. He is bound to a standard that is not based on himself.
 
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Fact: a broken bone heals stronger than before the break.

Suffering exists for a multitude of reasons, but ultimately, we suffer because the world is broken. God created the world “very good” but with full knowledge of its coming brokenness. This brokenness ultimately serves Gods glory, and “our good” is a part of God’s glory. We suffer because passing through the brokenness allows us to heal stronger than we were before … like the bone … like the Son of God who chose suffering over heaven for the greater GLORY to be gained (our redemption and adoption).

The early church viewed it an honor to be chosen by God to share in suffering as our Lord had.
 
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Consider: can God create a different best universe?

According to what you said earlier: no, he cannot. He is bound to a standard that is not based on himself.
What is the standard based upon, if not on His judgement?
 
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