Why does everyone hate Mary so much?

[stray bullet]

As a Pentecostal I certainly value Mary as the birth mother of Jesus but beyond that she has no other role within the New Covenant.

That's derogatory. Mary was the mother of Jesus. She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.

Mary is the mother of Jesus and He knows her as His mother in His humanity. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Think about that, He is still fully man. That means in that she remains His mother, always.

 

[Thekla]

That's derogatory. Mary was the mother of Jesus. She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.

Mary is the mother of Jesus and He knows her as His mother in His humanity. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Think about that, He is still fully man. That means in that she remains His mother, always.

 

[SAAN]

I believe Mary's my mother for various reasons. My Father is God in heaven. I know most will scoff and hate at that idea and that's fine. I wont chance denying my inhertance and being in the family of Christ lol.

To demonstrate this common hatred, I posted some Talmud teachings of Mary:

Sanhedrin 106a Says Jesus' mother was a ****: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."

Shabbath 104b States Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had *** with many men.

People were also saying Mary's bloodine wasnt verified which is absurd. Do you know what 'a virgin' really means during those times? The Muslims know. The Church was more than happy to change it to 'young maiden' despite the unfound calims. But lets just say the 12 year old girl would have had her geneology verified garunteed and also would have been sinless. People just seem to reach for anything it's amazing.

My big issue though is how Mary is denied, yet Sarah somehow gets a pass. And she gets the title of Mother and no one complaints. But with Mary you are asking for a boxing match.

I asked them "ok, how did Sarah get pregnant"? And it's like how dare I ask. After maybe 10 minutes of them not understanding the question, finally the answer was God 'willed it', 'allowed it', or 'spoke it' into happening. Then an American born Muslim comes in defending Mary. He actually then stumbles on evidence which demontrates Sarah likely had reproductive issues (barren woman).

As commentary suggests, obviously Sarah needed the 'hand of God' to ensure the pregnancy. The same one that made Adam and Eve. However, they refused to admit this possibility.

But for some reason Sarah gets a special, uncontested miracle pregnancy and also the Mother title. Sometimes you'll see nic's like 'DaughterOfSarah', 'SarahsDaughter'.

If Inheritance runs from the fathers side, and Mary is Jesus mother, then imagine the inhertance given from the Father lol?

I'm curious where the inner hate and denial for Mary comes from? Why do people hate the idea of calling Mary their mother? Where does this distance come from?

I dont think Christians hate Mary, I think the problem is when others put her in such a way to the point like the are worshiping her. The bible says to pray to the father, NOT pray to Mary.

 

[Albion]

That's derogatory.

No, it's not. There is nothing derogatory about attesting to Mary being the birth mother of Christ (and isn't that automatically to say that she is special?). And if that is her role, then that is her role. There was no putdown in stating the Biblical POV on the matter without any embellishments.

She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.

Apparently, you are speaking for your own particular use of such terminology. For everyone else, "birth mother" means the one who gave physical birth to the person in question as opposed to someone who raises the child but did not give birth to him. Or would you prefer that we refer to Mary as the one who, from all eternity, created the Second Person of the Trinity? I'd hope not.

 

[Rick Otto]

That's derogatory. Mary was the mother of Jesus. She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.

Mary is the mother of Jesus and He knows her as His mother in His humanity. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Think about that, He is still fully man. That means in that she remains His mother, always.

That was over reaction.

 

[Rick Otto]

I dont think Christians hate Mary, I think the problem is when others put her in such a way to the point like the are worshiping her. The bible says to pray to the father, NOT pray to Mary.

You are right.
The OP is an exaggeration that probably reflects the drama of an emotional investment.

 

[stray bullet]

No, it's not. There is nothing derogatory about attesting to Mary being the birth mother of Christ (and isn't that automatically to say that she is special?). And if that is her role, then that is her role. There was no putdown in stating the Biblical POV on the matter without any embellishments.

That's not a biblical point of view. It's a Gnostic one. Her role was not 'birth mother'. She did not give birth to him and that was it. She did more than expel Him from her body.

Apparently, you are speaking for your own particular use of such terminology. For everyone else, "birth mother" means the one who gave physical birth to the person in question as opposed to someone who raises the child but did not give birth to him. Or would you prefer that we refer to Mary as the one who, from all eternity, created the Second Person of the Trinity? I'd hope not.

My language was quite clear and nuanced. I do not appreciate your strawman.

 

[stray bullet]

I dont think Christians hate Mary, I think the problem is when others put her in such a way to the point like the are worshiping her. The bible says to pray to the father, NOT pray to Mary.

The bible says not to ask people to pray for us? I missed that one.

 

[Rick Otto]

"She did not give birth to him and that was it. She did more than expel Him from her body."

I don't appreciate your straw man either.

 

[Rick Otto]

The bible says not to ask people to pray for us? I missed that one.

You also missed the assertion, which had nothing to do with asking people to pray for us.

Clue : it was about to whom we pray, not to whom we ask to pray for us.

 

[stray bullet]

The Mary some people hate would be the false Mary of Catholic doctrines such as coredemptrix, or immaculate conception or bodily assumption, perpetual virginity or the hail Mary prayer asking Mary to pray for you.

All that extra contrived fiction, doctrine of men, non of which is biblically based.

Or you do not understand what those are, as is usually the case.

 

[stray bullet]

Mary Queen of Heaven, crowned by the Trinity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_the_Virgin_(Velázquez)

Anyone think this is blasphemous? Why do you think MEN would elevate Mary like this?

Unmarried kings would have their mothers take the role as queen in the ancient world.

So, why is this a problem? Or do you think Jesus was married?

 

[Albion]

That's not a biblical point of view. It's a Gnostic one.

That Mary gave birth to Jesus who was God incarnate--as the Gospel of Luke records--is somehow the ""Gnostic" view?

She did not give birth to him and that was it.

Wow. I guess we have more work to do here than I first thought.

 

[stray bullet]

That Mary gave birth to Jesus who was God incarnate--as the Gospel of Luke records--is somehow the ""Gnostic" view?

Strawman. Do you even try to have a discussion?

Wow. I guess we have more work to do here than I first thought.

Do you act sarcastic as a way of disengaging from a discussion you cannot maintain?

 

[Metal Minister]

That's derogatory. Mary was the mother of Jesus. She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.

Mary is the mother of Jesus and He knows her as His mother in His humanity. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Think about that, He is still fully man. That means in that she remains His mother, always.

Yet He was fully God since eternity past. Therefore He pre-exists Mary, therefore she cannot be His actual mother.

 

[sdowney717]

Those saying He is "beside Himself" are already with Him (verse 21).

It is after the interchange with the scribes (verse 22 on) that Mark writes:

Then came (erxontai/arrived) the brothers and His mother ... (verse 31)

I can understand your translation, various translations render this as His family, His own people, friends.

Translated as family is consistent with the contextual flow as it shows at the end of the chapter Jesus telling us who His family truly is.

ESV
Mark 3:21 And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, “He is out of his mind.”

Nearby would be His kinfolk then, not those standing nearby.
Greek Lexicon :: G3844 (KJV)

 

[bbbbbbb]

I am puzzled why this thread is not on the Mariology board. I think the bizarre assertion of the OP has been fully answered. I have yet to see any poster on this thread that hates Mary.

 

[Albion]

I am puzzled why this thread is not on the Mariology board. I think the bizarre assertion of the OP has been fully answered. I have yet to see any poster on this thread that hates Mary.

I think you're right. A request to the mods to move it to its proper place would seem in order. I'd agree that it should just be considered finished, but there will always be someone coming along who will want to keep it going in order to add his denunciation of one side or the other.

 

[sdowney717]

Or you do not understand what those are, as is usually the case.

About all the Mariology doctrines, why don't we read about any of them in the NT as written by His chosen apostles??

All of them are added later.

We have warnings from the Lord's chosen apostles about those who will come after them who are going to teach false doctrines to the church.

If all of these manyfold Mariological teachings were of the truth and important, then they would have been written down as scripture.

Since they are absent from scripture then they are all of them contrived teachings of deceived men.

 

[Metal Minister]

"She did not give birth to him and that was it. She did more than expel Him from her body."

I don't appreciate your straw man either.

I've seen a good deal of them in this thread...