Why does Christ say to keep the Commandments?

[ricker]

I don't think we are that far apart in our beliefs. For sure it is the Spirit who leads us into righteous deeds/works. Jesus says things very plainly in John 13-17, the last supper sermon. We can do nothing of ourselves to please God. We could try all day to keep the commandments as the rich young ruler claimed to have done, but it would not please God. Only through love can we do things that are pleasing to God. We do not have this love in us, it must be demonstrated THROUGH us by the spirit. We could never love with an "agape" love as Jesus did without the spirit working in us. Jesus makes it clear that this was the way that He was able to live His perfect life. Through his complete surrender to the spirit of God. Jesus did nothing and said nothing of Himself. The Spirit worked through Him the will of the Father.

I agree!

Where we differ in reality is the issue of the Sabbath. That is the crux of the whole 10 commandments issue. I do believe you would accept that we are still bound to obey the other 9 for breaking those would be sin. Am I correct? So, in reality what you are saying is that the sabbath is the "ministration of death", the sabbath was given until the seed should come, the sabbath was contrary to us and against us. Does this really make sense?

I do think it is wrong to covet my neighbors wife, but it is not necessarily because it is mentioned in the ten commandments. The ten were the old covenant (Exodus 34:28), we are under the new.

The Sabbath was given to us at creation as a GIFT.

You do know the Sabbath wasn't given to Israel till exodus, right? Does the Bible anywhere say it is a gift or a blessing to Christians?

My question is this, Why would you want to ever give up such a wonderful gift and blessing? It just doesn't make sense to me!

I'ts not that I "just don't want to" observe the sabbath. Why don't you "want to" observe passover, or wear tassles on the corners of your garments?

I know I won't change your mind, but what does the Bible say?
Who was the sabbath exclusively given too?

12 Then the LORD said to Moses, 13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. 14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death;

10 Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the desert. 11 I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. 12 Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy.

13 "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. 14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.

The sabbath is refered to by Paul as a shadow of Christ.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

The new testament never commands Christians to observe the sabbath, nor is sabbath breaking listed in the many places wrong behavior is listed. There are no instructions on how to keep the sabbath, even though even in Jesus's ministry there was much friction on this matter, and Gentiles would have no idea at all what to do or not to do.
As far as that goes, nowhere in the old testament are Gentiles commanded to keep the sabbath, or punished for not keeping it.
Hebrews says our rest in Christ is "today", a perpetual rest from our works unto salvation. Per Romans 14, I certainly will not deny your blessing you say you recieve from trying to observe the sign of the old covenant given to Israel. The problem is with EGW when she writes the keeping of this old, fulfilled law will be the defining issue of who gets saved or not (when there is not even any mention of how Christians are to "keep" it!). Thanks for your dialog, you seem like a sincere, loving Christian. God bless, Ricker

 

[ricker]

Did you read the texts? If I read from my catalogue "the shoes are red" and also from my newspaper "the car is red" do the two not have any relation?
Hmm. I can only plant the seed....

I read the snippets of texts you quoted, thank you. Bits of texts thrown together randomly is a terrible way to try to develop theology from the Bible. Very cultish, if I may add. Read the Bible in context please.

I don't think God's law is His love. Does it reflect His love? Yes.

The quote I was refering to was "the law is written on our hearts because it IS love"

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
See bolded section. So, based on your conclusion, the sins of the world before Sinai were not taken into account?

So are you disagreeing with "before the law was given, sin was in the world"? This is obviously speaking of the law given to Moses (including the ten).

I know the examples, thanks.

Your welcome.

What I would like to know, is: where you see the reference to the children of Israel in that passage. David is speaking to His Messiah. "Forever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven."

What exactly is your interpetation of "thy word is settled in heaven"?

Show me one text in Scripture where "forever" and "Lord" are used in the figurative sense.

May I use unrelated and out of context verses thrown together???

And there lies your fatal error. No Scripture is inconsequential. You either study it out, or you dont?!

I didn't say the phrase itself was unconsequential, It just doesn't change the fact that the law was added and has an expiration date 2000 years ago.

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Because of transgressions" plainly presupposes that there were "transgressions" before the written law arrived in the world. Since according to Paul, "where there is no law, there is no transgression."

It says the law was added (the Mosaic covenant). It doesn't say there were no other laws and precepts before Sinai. There were moral imperatives given before the sabbath was given to Israel.

Well, it's funny you say that, since Christ makes it clear how we can show we love Him, as the OP repeatedly stated.

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." John 14:15

"And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17

What does the beloved disciple say about the commandments and what is required for Christians to have confidence before God?

"21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us."

Nothing about keeping the law given to Moses to the COI. Nothing about a mandatory sabbath observance on the seventh day of the week. Remember, the new covenant will "not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers" and " he has made the first one obsolete".
What was the old covenant? "
28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."
Thanks for the responses you have given. I suppose no minds will be changed, but I hope you can see things aren't as cut and dried as your Revelation seminars try to make them. God bless you ! Ricker

 

[Cribstyl]

I'm not a Lutheran but my understanding is just as Ricker describes those text. I try extra hard to understand what Adventist believe because my wife is Adventist. I sincerely love them as brothers but my spirit will not allow me to compromize God's words in exchange for commentary outside of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Truth be told, the law, Revelation prophecies and sabbath keeping as presented by EGW is the focal point of their church.



much love
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[LLWHA]

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes (lawyers) and Pharisees (politicians), ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

So what Jesus is saying here is you are not going to Heaven unless you obey the commandments LAWS; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and Diet better that the Lawyers and politicians of His day. If I remember right in Jesus' day the politicians were also priests.

You cannot have it both ways. If you are a follower of Jesus Christ you do as He did and as He says. Anyone that teaches against the Words of Jesus and The Father are of the devil. If you oppose God and Jesus and do the opposite of Their Words (Law) you are a follower of Satan. Satan means opposer.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It does look like if these followers of satan repent they can still get into heaven.

5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not murder; and whosoever shall murder shall be in danger of the Judgment:
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the Judgment:

It would appear that Jesus is stricter with His followers than Gods Law in the Torah. If I remember right Jesus is stricter about divorce, and adultery. His followers can not have more than one wife etc.

I would have to say that Jesus is stricter with His followers than Gods was with His Laws in the Torah.
[SIZE=+0]It does appears Jesus wants His Followers to "exceed" the Law of God in the Torah and take it a step further.[/SIZE]


5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in The Day of Judgment.



5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.

Jesus demands His Followers to be Perfect as God is Perfect.

12:50 For whosoever shall DO the Will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


Jesus did the WILL of His Father and followed The Laws of God to the Dot. You as a follower must also.

12:30 He that is not WITH me is AGAINST me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

22:36 Master, which [is] the Great Commandment in The Law?
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the First and Great Commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Mark

The Great Commandment
Mt. 22.34-40 28 ¶ And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel;The Lord our God is one Lord:30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: Deut. 6.4, 5 this is the first commandment.31 And the second is like, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Lev. 19.18 There is none other commandment greater than these.32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: Deut. 4.35
33 and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. Hos. 6.6
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question. Lk. 10.25-28


If you Love the "Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength" you Obey Him as Jesus did and Obey His COMMANDMENTS; LAWS; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and Diet.


Luke: 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the Word of God, and KEEP it.

Word means Law of God. Deut: 4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.

 

[LLWHA]

I agree!


I do think it is wrong to covet my neighbors wife, but it is not necessarily because it is mentioned in the ten commandments. The ten were the old covenant (Exodus 34:28), we are under the new.



You do know the Sabbath wasn't given to Israel till exodus, right? Does the Bible anywhere say it is a gift or a blessing to Christians?


I'ts not that I "just don't want to" observe the sabbath. Why don't you "want to" observe passover, or wear tassles on the corners of your garments?

I know I won't change your mind, but what does the Bible say?
Who was the sabbath exclusively given too?

12 Then the LORD said to Moses, 13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. 14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death;

10 Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the desert. 11 I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. 12 Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy.

13 "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. 14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.

The sabbath is refered to by Paul as a shadow of Christ.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

The new testament never commands Christians to observe the sabbath, nor is sabbath breaking listed in the many places wrong behavior is listed. There are no instructions on how to keep the sabbath, even though even in Jesus's ministry there was much friction on this matter, and Gentiles would have no idea at all what to do or not to do.
As far as that goes, nowhere in the old testament are Gentiles commanded to keep the sabbath, or punished for not keeping it.
Hebrews says our rest in Christ is "today", a perpetual rest from our works unto salvation. Per Romans 14, I certainly will not deny your blessing you say you recieve from trying to observe the sign of the old covenant given to Israel. The problem is with EGW when she writes the keeping of this old, fulfilled law will be the defining issue of who gets saved or not (when there is not even any mention of how Christians are to "keep" it!). Thanks for your dialog, you seem like a sincere, loving Christian. God bless, Ricker

So you are not an Israel? Israel mean Champion of God or thoses that Champion Gods Cause. The nation of Israel is Gods Nation and The Kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given by Jesus to this Nation.

21:23 And when he was come into the Temple, the chief priests (Jews) and the elders of the people (Jews) came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?

Matt: 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes" - the "House of Israel").

6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If you are a follower of Christ you would be grafted onto the Tree of The House of Israel.

That would make you an Israelite, if you were a follower of Jesus Christ.

 

[Loveaboveall]

I know I won't change your mind, but what does the Bible say?
Who was the sabbath exclusively given too?

12 Then the LORD said to Moses, 13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. 14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death;

10 Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the desert. 11 I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. 12 Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy.

13 "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. 14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.

Isaiah 56:6-7 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

The COI were to be a light to the world. To take the knowledge of God to the world and bring them all into a saving covenant relationship with Him. The sabbath along with the other 9 commandments give us principle of right and wrong. If we break them, we sin, and we must accept that we need a savior. All have sinned which means all have broken God's law that defines what sin is, including the gentiles!

The sabbath is refered to by Paul as a shadow of Christ.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

I am curious how you view the sabbath as a shadow? It was created prefall. Which means that it was created before we needed a savior! We were to keep the sabbath with God every week, it was to be a day special/set aside to spend exclusively with Him. God with His creation. How do you view this as a shadow, for a shadow requires something better. Did God create something not perfect?

A quick look at Lev 23 shows some interesting things...

Lev 23:3 speaks of the sabbath but then the very next verse says this, "These [are] the feasts of the LORD, [even] holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons."

The sabbath was distinct and separate from all the other "feasts". Theres more...

All the rest were time periods that coresponded with Jesus ministry...

Passover/feast of unleavened bread-- Crucifixion
Feast of first fruits-- Resurrection(interestingly, was not a holy convocation)
Pentecost (50 days after feast of first fruits)-- Pentecost/outpouring of Holy Spirit/Christ anointed as High Priest in Heaven
Day of Atonement-- Jesus enters into judgement
Feast of Tabernacles--Second Coming

But where is the antitype of the sabbath, the better version so to speak? I have heard some say that heaven is the antitype of the sabbath rest... But, types are in force until the antitype has come, we are not in heaven yet are we? And why would Isaiah describe us keeping the sabbath in the new earth if heaven/new earth was the antitype of the sabbath rest? "And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." Is 66:23

The new testament never commands Christians to observe the sabbath, nor is sabbath breaking listed in the many places wrong behavior is listed. There are no instructions on how to keep the sabbath, even though even in Jesus's ministry there was much friction on this matter, and Gentiles would have no idea at all what to do or not to do.

Is it possible that the one commandment God said to "remember" was so widely known that there was no need to command the people to "keep" it. Apparently everywhere the apostles went they went to the synagogue on the sabbath, and if there was no synagogue they would find people who were praying (Lydia). If the apostles always found people worshipping on the sabbath then isn't it very possible that people knew what the sabbath was and how to keep it? In every letter we read from Paul we find that there are differences b/w Jews and Gentiles, meaning that there would always be Jews available to give the gentiles instruction in the "oracles of God", the law that defines sin, right? The new testament commands of what is wrong are the same as the "civil laws" of leviticus and deuteronomy. They define explicitly what the 10 commandments say in principle. The new testament "civil laws" NEVER contradict the 10 commandments which define sin, do they?

As far as that goes, nowhere in the old testament are Gentiles commanded to keep the sabbath, or punished for not keeping it.

See above Isa 56:6-7
All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Which means all have broken the law that defines what is righteousness and what is sin. If it was a sin for the israelites to break the sabbath, wouldn't it be just a little unfair for the gentiles to get a free pass? I mean if a gentile murdered they would be guilty right? What about stealing, or idol worship? In reality, ALL humans have sinned against God and we all need a savior. Under the old covenant a "gentile" could become part of God's people, if he accepted the covenant, meaning that he would be granted all the benefits of being a child of God, but he would also be obliged to keep the commandments of God to stay in right standing, or offer a sin offering as payment.

How is this different than today, when a "gentile" accepts Jesus they are baptized. Baptism is not commanded to the "heathen", or is it? You see it is all about the need for a savior. All of us need one, but only those who accept Jesus recieve the benefits of His grace. All are commanded to accept Jesus as a means of salvation, it has always been the same and always will be. When we accept Jesus we are changed and are expected to "live" as Jesus lived. Thus we are expected to keep the commandments that define sin. If we fail we must confess our sins and repent.

Hebrews says our rest in Christ is "today", a perpetual rest from our works unto salvation.

Here you are demonstrating a bit of a lack of knowledge of the covenants. In the old covenant, the COI were not saved by their works. There was never a time when anyone could save themselves by works. Romans 4 and Hebrews 11 make it clear that Faith has always been the requirement for salvation. Thus your statement, "rest from works unto salvation" does not really make sense. Could you please explain this idea further?

Per Romans 14, I certainly will not deny your blessing you say you recieve from trying to observe the sign of the old covenant given to Israel.

Romans 14 is dealing with fasting and the requirement of the jews that the gentiles keep this "oral law". Why do you refer to the sabbath as the "sign of the old covenant" when Moses clearly says that circumcision is in Gen 17?

The problem is with EGW when she writes the keeping of this old, fulfilled law will be the defining issue of who gets saved or not (when there is not even any mention of how Christians are to "keep" it!). Thanks for your dialog, you seem like a sincere, loving Christian. God bless, Ricker

Revelation clearly says the remnant of God, those living at the end of time are the ones who keep the commandments of God. Why do you have such a problem with what the bible clearly says? And there is plenty of examples of how christians are to keep the sabbath, just search sabbath within the Gospels and Jesus will tell you all you need to know about how to keep the sabbath as is appropriate for a "new covenant" christian. He teaches to keep it as it was orginally created for to be a communion with God and man, a blessing instead of a requirement. It is to be a delight!

 

[Loveaboveall]

I'm not a Lutheran but my understanding is just as Ricker describes those text. I try extra hard to understand what Adventist believe because my wife is Adventist. I sincerely love them as brothers but my spirit will not allow me to compromize God's words in exchange for commentary outside of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Truth be told, the law, Revelation prophecies and sabbath keeping as presented by EGW is the focal point of their church.



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I am curious, do you keep the sabbath holy with your wife out of respect for her?

 

[Cribstyl]

I am curious, do you keep the sabbath holy with your wife out of respect for her?

I respect what she honors, so yes I keep the sabbath at times and yes, I frequently attend Church with her. I have more Adventist friends than of my own church. :o

I have vegi meat antisapating guests all the time on Sabbath. My family is loved and honored because we love and respect everybody. My wife seldom attends my church.

I am not a hypocrite, I have a burden for all of God's people.

I study Adventism, it is in my life.

To think that an American prophetess at 17 could follow a man who got it wrong and admitted to error. Errors are at centerstage of many teachings because of contradiction to the bible.

I believe that God is a God of order. If the root is Holy the Lump is Holy. You cant get truth form error.
At the foundation of Adventism is a shaking until God's people will be free. To constantly edit out the many leaders and founders that have spoken out and the writtings that are forgeries, and the history the reveals the coverup.......

We know that God has called the Apostles to teach the doctrines of the church. Who's voice do you hear?

Why does the Sabbath lessons and sermons all cover topics with selected verses rather than the author's (Paul, Peter,etc) letters taking center stage? Mostly Old Testament lessons are taught line upon line.

Adventist intentionally misquote Jesus just to reenforce the ten commandments.


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[ricker]

Isaiah 56:6-7 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

You're right, this seems to say strangers could enter into the old covenant by joining themselves with Israel.

The COI were to be a light to the world. To take the knowledge of God to the world and bring them all into a saving covenant relationship with Him.

Wrong. I read in the Bible of little or no evangelism commanded of or done by the COI.

I am curious how you view the sabbath as a shadow? It was created prefall. Which means that it was created before we needed a savior!

The Sabbath command was not given till the Exodus.
As far as the shadow, the Bible says:
"16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
Here we see the yearly, monthly, and weekly progression clearly showing it is a about the weekly Sabbath.

A quick look at Lev 23 shows some interesting things...

The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'These are my appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
3 " 'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

But where is the antitype of the sabbath, the better version so to speak? I have heard some say that heaven is the antitype of the sabbath rest... But, types are in force until the antitype has come, we are not in heaven yet are we?

You got me here. I don't really understand what you are trying to say. The Sabbath was given to the COI and is not required of us.

And why would Isaiah describe us keeping the sabbath in the new earth if heaven/new earth was the antitype of the sabbath rest ? "And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." Is 66:23

Out of context. read the whole chapter and try to tell me it is saying we will keep sabbath in heaven. Are you keeping the monthly festivals, too?

Is it possible that the one commandment God said to "remember" was so widely known that there was no need to command the people to "keep" it. Apparently everywhere the apostles went they went to the synagogue on the sabbath, and if there was no synagogue they would find people who were praying (Lydia). If the apostles always found people worshipping on the sabbath then isn't it very possible that people knew what the sabbath was and how to keep it?

Beg my pardon, but this is such a lame excuse. Why did Paul and others give moral instruction on everything else then if they knew it all from the Jews? I know enough about SDA's to know the "rules" of sabbath keeping is a major point of contention, and we have the whole Bible at our fingertips, and you have your "spirit of prophesy" to make things even more clear. Give me a break.

Here you are demonstrating a bit of a lack of knowledge of the covenants. In the old covenant, the COI were not saved by their works. There was never a time when anyone could save themselves by works. Romans 4 and Hebrews 11 make it clear that Faith has always been the requirement for salvation. Thus your statement, "rest from works unto salvation" does not really make sense. Could you please explain this idea further

?
Sorry, perhaps I didn't word my summation quite right. I will quote the verses for you.

7Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts." 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.​

Romans 14 is dealing with fasting and the requirement of the jews that the gentiles keep this "oral law".

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord.

Why do you refer to the sabbath as the "sign of the old covenant" when Moses clearly says that circumcision is in Gen 17?

"13 He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets"

"The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.' "

The way I understand it , circumcision was the entrance sign, and the sabbath was the ongoing sign.

Revelation clearly says the remnant of God, those living at the end of time are the ones who keep the commandments of God. Why do you have such a problem with what the bible clearly says?

Why do you assume this is speaking of the ten commandments given to Israel?

And there is plenty of examples of how christians are to keep the sabbath, just search sabbath within the Gospels and Jesus will tell you all you need to know about how to keep the sabbath as is appropriate for a "new covenant" christian. He teaches to keep it as it was orginally created for to be a communion with God and man, a blessing instead of a requirement. It is to be a delight

See my above comments. Search the for the word "sabbath" in the Bible after the new covenant was put into effect by Christ's death and resurrection. God bless! Ricker

 

[ricker]

So you are not an Israel? Israel mean Champion of God or thoses that Champion Gods Cause. The nation of Israel is Gods Nation and The Kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given by Jesus to this Nation.

21:23 And when he was come into the Temple, the chief priests (Jews) and the elders of the people (Jews) came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?

Matt: 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes" - the "House of Israel").

6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you are trying to say by posting these partial texts.

If you are a follower of Christ you would be grafted onto the Tree of The House of Israel.
That would make you an Israelite, if you were a follower of Jesus Christ.

I'm not grafted onto Israel, but Jesus.

If the woman had not separated from the man, and had not gone apart from him to talk to Satan, deciding to believe Satan in preference to God, thereby calling God the liar, she would not die with and have caused the man to die. His separation through worshipping the woman first rather than God became the beginning of death. Philip

I'm not sure where you got the idea Eve wandered off. The Bible says:
" 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it."

 

[ricker]

I respect what she honors, so yes I keep the sabbath at times and yes, I frequently attend Church with her. I have more Adventist friends than of my own church. :o

I have vegi meat antisapating guests all the time on Sabbath. My family is loved and honored because we love and respect everybody. My wife seldom attends my church.

I am not a hypocrite, I have a burden for all of God's people.

I study Adventism, it is in my life.

That is a good, Christian attitude CRIB. There are many sincere Christians in the Adventist church and I enjoy fellowshipping with them on occasion. Many of my relatives are SDA and I try to "observe" the sabbath with them when they are around. I try to follow what Jesus says through Paul.
"1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him"
God bless! Ricker

 

[david_x]

Why does Christ say to keep the Commandments?


It seems that Christ contineously held up the Commandments as a central theme for eternal life, as something to be upheld, as the basis of loving God and loving your fellow man. It is God transfering His Love to man, a understanding of Gods love throught his law.

1. Matthew 5:19
   Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
   Matthew 5:18-20 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
2. Matthew 15:3
   But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
3. Matthew 19:17
   "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
   Matthew 19:16-18 (in Context) Matthew 19 (Whole Chapter)
4. Matthew 22:34
   [ The Greatest Commandment ] Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.
   Matthew 22:33-35 (in Context) Matthew 22 (Whole Chapter)
5. Matthew 22:36
   "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
   Matthew 22:35-37 (in Context) Matthew 22 (Whole Chapter)
6. Matthew 22:38
   This is the first and greatest commandment.
   Matthew 22:37-39 (in Context) Matthew 22 (Whole Chapter)
7. Matthew 22:40
   All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
   Matthew 22:39-41 (in Context) Matthew 22 (Whole Chapter)
8. Mark 7:8
   For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
   Mark 7:7-9 (in Context) Mark 7 (Whole Chapter)
9. Mark 7:9
   And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
   Mark 7:8-10 (in Context) Mark 7 (Whole Chapter)
10. Mark 10:19
    You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.' "
    Mark 10:18-20 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter)
11. Mark 12:28
    [ The Greatest Commandment ] One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
    Mark 12:27-29 (in Context) Mark 12 (Whole Chapter)
12. Mark 12:29
    And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
    Mark 12:28-30 (in Context) Mark 12 (Whole Chapter)
13. Mark 12:30
    And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
14. Mark 12:31
    The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."
    Mark 12:30-32 (in Context) Mark 12 (Whole Chapter)
15. Luke 1:6
    Both of them were upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commandments and regulations blamelessly.
    Luke 1:5-7 (in Context) Luke 1 (Whole Chapter)
16. Luke 18:20
    You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
    Luke 18:19-21 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)
17. John 12:49
    For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
    John 12:48-50 (in Context) John 12 (Whole Chapter)
18. John 12:50
    And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
    John 12:49-50 (in Context) John 12 (Whole Chapter)
19. John 13:34
    A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    John 13:33-35 (in Context) John 13 (Whole Chapter)
20. John 14:15
    If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    John 14:14-16 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter)
21. John 14:21
    He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    John 14:20-22 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter)
22. John 14:31
    But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
    John 14:30-31 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter)
23. John 15:10
    If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
    John 15:9-11 (in Context) John 15 (Whole Chapter)
24. John 15:12
    This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
    John 15:11-13 (in Context) John 15 (Whole Chapter)

So why do so many people fight against what Christ so clearly upheld for us to observe, to love God and our fellow man?

Joshua 22:5
But be very careful to keep the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the LORD gave you: to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to obey his commands, to hold fast to him and to serve him with all your heart and all your soul."
Joshua 22:4-6 (in Context) Joshua 22 (Whole Chapter)

Christ actually reiterates the commandments when he gave us the golden rules.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Christ told us to keep the Commandments because that is the evidence of our salvation, which happens by grace. If we are saved, we have the Holy Spirit which helps us obey God and overcome sin. We are a new creation.
The Commandments describe the type of people who are united with God, and He is making us into these type of people.

God bless!


monica

 

[LLWHA]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you are trying to say by posting these partial texts.


I'm not grafted onto Israel, but Jesus.



I'm not sure where you got the idea Eve wandered off. The Bible says:
" 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it."

21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

So you are not of Gods nation and will not fight to restore Gods Law and Order?

Is this more to you liking?

15:24 Jesus said: It will not come by expectation; they will not say: "See, here", or: "See, there". But the Kingdom of the Father is spread upon the earth and men do not see it.
16:1 Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go out from among us, because women are not worthy of the Life.
16:2 Jesus said: See, I shall lead her, so that I will make her male, that she too may become a Living spirit, resembling you males. For every woman who makes herself male will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. AMEN


As far as I know Most scholars believe this was written in 40 AD some say it comes from 100 AD.
Some others believe a little later than 100 AD.

I like Philip and Thomas but I'M a Hebrew and am suspect to the words of non Hebrews. I'm not a gentile and the words of gentiles seem strange to me.

Being a Hebrew of The Nation of Israel I'm not sure the words of Paul were even meant for me. I'm of the opinion, me being a non Roman or Greek or gentile, pagan, or idol worshiper etc. That These words of Paul are for these strange people?


I will listen to Philip that learned at Jesus feet. You can listen to who ever you feel like.

I will listen to those close to Jesus Christ.

Philip well He was martyred by crucifixion in the city of Hierapolis. A true disciple of our Lord. You think you know more than one that learned at Jesus feet? One that was murdered and died for sticking his neck out to preach about Jesus?

I will listen to a Jesus' close Followers.
I do read Paul and think there is some wisdom in his teaching and preaching to the pagans, idol worshipers, Romans and Greeks etc.

I follow Jesus Christ.

The people that were closest to Jesus and lived with Him and wrote down His Words are those that I take most to heart.

 

[Rainie]

There is a big problem, when believer's say they are not apart of Israel:

Jeremiah 33
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

The ONLY place where the "New Covenant" is specifically addressed, in the OT, is here is Jeremiah 31. In this discription, we are clearly told that the recieptants of the "New Covenant" will be JUDAH and ISREAL.
NO ONE ELSE IS LISTED.

So if you want to take part of the "New Covenant" you'd better be apart of Israel of Judah, it's that simple.

God Bless Rain

 

[Cribstyl]

There is a big problem, when believer's say they are not apart of Israel:

Jeremiah 33
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

The ONLY place where the "New Covenant" is specifically addressed, in the OT, is here is Jeremiah 31. In this discription, we are clearly told that the recieptants of the "New Covenant" will be JUDAH and ISREAL.
NO ONE ELSE IS LISTED.

So if you want to take part of the "New Covenant" you'd better be apart of Israel of Judah, it's that simple.

God Bless Rain

With all due respects, I disagree with your reasoning. Those prophetic words of the covenant in Jeremiah is why it's also written, " He came unto His own and they recieved Him not".

The New Testament teaches that the Jews were blinded because of unbelief in Jesus Christ, they sought rightoeusness toward God by trying to live by all commandments given to Moses (THE LAW) and not by faith in Jesus Christ.

Paul explained this sutuation best in Romans 9, please read the whole chapter before you comment again..http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-...dly.pl?translation=NLT&book=Rom&chapter=9#top

Here are some key verses

Rom 9:6Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to the Jews? No, for not everyone born into a Jewish family is truly a Jew!
Rom 9:7Just the fact that they are descendants of Abraham doesn't make them truly Abraham's children. For the Scriptures say, "Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted,"[fn4] though Abraham had other children, too.
Rom 9:8This means that Abraham's physical descendants are not necessarily children of God. It is the children of the promise who are considered to be Abraham's children.





Rom 9:25Concerning the Gentiles, God says in the prophecy of Hosea, "Those who were not my people, I will now call my people. And I will love those whom I did not love before."[fn10]
Rom 9:26And, "Once they were told, `You are not my people.' But now he will say, `You are children of the living God.'[fn11] "
Rom 9:27Concerning Israel, Isaiah the prophet cried out, "Though the people of Israel are as numerous as the sand on the seashore, only a small number will be saved.
Rom 9:28For the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth quickly and with finality."[fn12]
Rom 9:29And Isaiah said in another place, "If the Lord Almighty had not spared a few of us, we would have been wiped out as completely as Sodom and Gomorrah."[fn13]
Rom 9:30Well then, what shall we say about these things? Just this: The Gentiles have been made right with God by faith, even though they were not seeking him.
Rom 9:31But the Jews, who tried so hard to get right with God by keeping the law, never succeeded.
Rom 9:32Why not? Because they were trying to get right with God by keeping the law and being good instead of by depending on faith. They stumbled over the great rock in their path.


First of all friend, we should apply the word to understanding, then "get in where we fit in." We are all children of God by faith.

Gal 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Note: Some people apply the word to understanding, but some people apply the word to reasoning. So they must always give an explanation to support their words rather than accept clear truths as it is written. Those with authority over them use isolated text as they keep talking in circles.

God bless.
CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

As a teacher of the word of God, I take it personally when I see deliberate deception.

Jhn 14:15¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.

By isolating this verse many have applied it to the commandments given to Moses, but the truth is, Jesus explains in the context what He meant by " keep my commandments."


Jhn 14:21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 14:22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

Jhn 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jhn 14:24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jhn 14:25These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you.


Jesus clearly meant the words and lesson He preached to His disciples while He was on earth.


False religion often teach using isolated texts. The bible becomes confusing when they're not arround to explain.
This is why their "lesson plans" will be a subject from a writer's dialog rather than directly studying a chapter or a book of the bible.

Wake up people..... God's word will be required of you.

sincerely
CRIB

 

[Tavita]

There is a big problem, when believer's say they are not apart of Israel:

Jeremiah 33
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

The ONLY place where the "New Covenant" is specifically addressed, in the OT, is here is Jeremiah 31. In this discription, we are clearly told that the recieptants of the "New Covenant" will be JUDAH and ISREAL.
NO ONE ELSE IS LISTED.

So if you want to take part of the "New Covenant" you'd better be apart of Israel of Judah, it's that simple.

God Bless Rain

Are you talking Two House, Rainie?

This was fulfilled by Christ on the cross..

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For He is our peace, He making us both one, and He has broken down the middle wall of partition between us,
Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;
Eph 2:16 and so that He might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity in Himself.
Eph 2:17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off, and to those who were near.
Eph 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

And what did the Lord always command in the Law?.. that those of any nation who loved Him and wanted to be joined to His people were more than welcome. He included them in Israel.

(Isa 14:1 MKJV) For Jehovah will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel and set them in their own land; and the stranger shall be joined with them, and they shall cling to the house of Jacob.

(Isa 56:3 MKJV) And do not let the son of the stranger, who has joined himself to Jehovah, speak, saying, Jehovah has utterly separated me from His people. And do not let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

(Zec 2:11 MKJV) And many nations shall be joined to Jehovah in that day, and shall be My people; and I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that Jehovah of Hosts has sent me to you.


The house of Israel and the house of Judah are ONE in THE ONE, now. It is ONLY by Jesus... who is THE Israel. And He has inaugurated a 'new and living way'.

 

[Rainie]

With all due respects, I disagree with your reasoning. Those prophetic words of the covenant in Jeremiah is why it's also written, " He came unto His own and they recieved Him not".

The New Testament teaches that the Jews were blinded because of unbelief in Jesus Christ, they sought rightoeusness toward God by trying to live by all commandments given to Moses (THE LAW) and not by faith in Jesus Christ.

Paul explained this sutuation best in Romans 9, please read the whole chapter before you comment again..http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-...dly.pl?translation=NLT&book=Rom&chapter=9#top

Here are some key verses

Rom 9:6Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to the Jews? No, for not everyone born into a Jewish family is truly a Jew!
Rom 9:7Just the fact that they are descendants of Abraham doesn't make them truly Abraham's children. For the Scriptures say, "Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted,"[fn4] though Abraham had other children, too.
Rom 9:8This means that Abraham's physical descendants are not necessarily children of God. It is the children of the promise who are considered to be Abraham's children.





Rom 9:25Concerning the Gentiles, God says in the prophecy of Hosea, "Those who were not my people, I will now call my people. And I will love those whom I did not love before."[fn10]
Rom 9:26And, "Once they were told, `You are not my people.' But now he will say, `You are children of the living God.'[fn11] "
Rom 9:27Concerning Israel, Isaiah the prophet cried out, "Though the people of Israel are as numerous as the sand on the seashore, only a small number will be saved.
Rom 9:28For the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth quickly and with finality."[fn12]
Rom 9:29And Isaiah said in another place, "If the Lord Almighty had not spared a few of us, we would have been wiped out as completely as Sodom and Gomorrah."[fn13]
Rom 9:30Well then, what shall we say about these things? Just this: The Gentiles have been made right with God by faith, even though they were not seeking him.
Rom 9:31But the Jews, who tried so hard to get right with God by keeping the law, never succeeded.
Rom 9:32Why not? Because they were trying to get right with God by keeping the law and being good instead of by depending on faith. They stumbled over the great rock in their path.


First of all friend, we should apply the word to understanding, then "get in where we fit in." We are all children of God by faith.

Gal 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Note: Some people apply the word to understanding, but some people apply the word to reasoning. So they must always give an explanation to support their words rather than accept clear truths as it is written. Those with authority over them use isolated text as they keep talking in circles.

God bless.
CRIB

Romans 9
1I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit— 2I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, 4the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!Amen.

God Bless

 

[Rainie]

As a teacher of the word of God, I take it personally when I see deliberate deception.

Jhn 14:15¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.

By isolating this verse many have applied it to the commandments given to Moses, but the truth is, Jesus explains in the context what He meant by " keep my commandments."


Jhn 14:21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 14:22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

Jhn 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jhn 14:24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jhn 14:25These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you.


Jesus clearly meant the words and lesson He preached to His disciples while He was on earth.


False religion often teach using isolated texts. The bible becomes confusing when they're not arround to explain.
This is why their "lesson plans" will be a subject from a writer's dialog rather than directly studying a chapter or a book of the bible.

Wake up people..... God's word will be required of you.

sincerely
CRIB

Great Point!
People shouldn't used isolated verses to build their arguements so can I ask you this.
Could you use the entirety of scripture to prove that the Law is/was only temporary?