Why do you have to believe in the trinity to be saved?

[tickingclocker]

I'm not really sure what this has to do with the topic at hand. However, regarding teaching, God gave the Israelites his word through Moses and then the prophets. After that Jesus came and taught. He left 12 apostles to go out into the world and they wrote their teachings down. So we have those in addition to the OT writings. Of all of those teachings we have nothing in the Scriptures that says one has to believe in the Trinity. The idea that a person cannot be saved unless they believe in the Trinity shows up in the Athanasian Creed, not Scripture.

I don't think you got what I said. (Although, I'm not always at my best in the morning. lol!) We don't have all knowledge at the point of salvation. If belief in the Trinity was essential for salvation, then God would reveal that to every one of us at the moment of conversion. He does not. For some, He surely does. He did with me within a few days of becoming a believer. (I grew up in a non-Trinitarian church, btw.) We are taught how valuable the teaching is through studying the bible under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Establishing a correct view of God is critical to faith. Correct? Yet the Trinity isn't exactly the first thing on a believer's mind, but its also not something a believer can blow off or ignore their entire lives either. You must confront the knowledge of whether you accept it or not. I'm not saying there is a time limit on pursuing the knowledge either. God works in HIS time, not ours.

Believing in the Trinity is a RESULT of faith. Its not something you can manufacture on your own. Paul, Peter, Timothy, James, you name it, all said the same thing, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. But don't stop there like so many others do. Jesus is Savior, yes. To the unsaved. They all said He is also Lord, to the saved. Part Two, in essence. This is where the Holy Spirit comes into His own. Making Jesus Christ Lord in a believers life, one step at a time, through obedience and faith. Are you sure that is in the bible? I am.

The Trinity doctrine is stated in many parts of the bible. Sometimes clearly, and in others where it is implied. No one can state that and expect to be believed, that the Trinity is not anywhere in scripture. Why? Because it doesn't state "Here is the Trinity doctrine. Believe it or die." If it did? Where is the faith in that?

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

There is no verse in the bible that says believe in the trinity and ye shall be saved. Or anything even close.

The only verse in the bible that flat out tells you what you need to do to be saved is Romans 10:9. So explain to me an accused non christian who doesn't believe in the trinity but believes in romans 10:9 why im going to hell. Even though I believe what the bible says to believe to be saved.

Belief in the Trinity is of meat and we are saved the milk of God's word.

Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

 

[Butch5]

I don't think you got what I said. (Although, I'm not always at my best in the morning. lol!) We don't have all knowledge at the point of salvation. If belief in the Trinity was essential for salvation, then God would reveal that to every one of us at the moment of conversion. He does not. For some, He surely does. He did with me within a few days of becoming a believer. (I grew up in a non-Trinitarian church, btw.) We are taught how valuable the teaching is through studying the bible under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Establishing a correct view of God is critical to faith. Correct? Yet the Trinity isn't exactly the first thing on a believer's mind, but its also not something a believer can blow off or ignore their entire lives either. You must confront the knowledge of whether you accept it or not. I'm not saying there is a time limit on pursuing the knowledge either. God works in HIS time, not ours.

Believing in the Trinity is a RESULT of faith. Its not something you can manufacture on your own. Paul, Peter, Timothy, James, you name it, all said the same thing, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. But don't stop there like so many others do. Jesus is Savior, yes. To the unsaved. They all said He is also Lord, to the saved. Part Two, in essence. This is where the Holy Spirit comes into His own. Making Jesus Christ Lord in a believers life, one step at a time, through obedience and faith. Are you sure that is in the bible? I am.

The Trinity doctrine is stated in many parts of the bible. Sometimes clearly, and in others where it is implied. No one can state that and expect to be believed, that the Trinity is not anywhere in scripture. Why? Because it doesn't state "Here is the Trinity doctrine. Believe it or die." If it did? Where is the faith in that?

Sorry, I misunderstood you. It still disagree about the Trinity (as it's believed today) though. I would contend that the Holy Spirit doesn't teach that.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

Sorry, I misunderstood you. It still disagree about the Trinity (as it's believed today) though. I would contend that the Holy Spirit doesn't teach that.

The Trinity doctrine is taught in the bible. Now whether you believe it or not doesn't change that fact.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God (Elohim) said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Gen 11:7 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Exodus 3 : 14 And God answered Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Deu 4:4 Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is Lord only

Isa 6:8 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,

John 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9
Jesus said unto him, I have been so long time with you, and hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen my Father: how then sayest thou, Show us thy Father?

Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Galatians 3:20
Now a Mediator is not a Mediator of one: but God is one.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, which is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let the same mind be in you that was even in Christ Jesus,
6 Who being in the form of God, thought it no robbery to be equal with God:
7 But he made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made like unto men, and was found in shape as a man.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

 

[Butch5]

The Trinity doctrine is taught in the bible. Now whether you believe it or not doesn't change that fact.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God (Elohim) said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Gen 11:7 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Exodus 3 : 14 And God answered Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Deu 4:4 Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is Lord only

Isa 6:8 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,

John 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9
Jesus said unto him, I have been so long time with you, and hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen my Father: how then sayest thou, Show us thy Father?

Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Galatians 3:20
Now a Mediator is not a Mediator of one: but God is one.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, which is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let the same mind be in you that was even in Christ Jesus,
6 Who being in the form of God, thought it no robbery to be equal with God:
7 But he made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made like unto men, and was found in shape as a man.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

Sorry, but there's nothing there about a Trinity. It seems you've "INFERRED" that idea. What I see that there is one God.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

Sorry, but there's nothing there about a Trinity. It seems you've "INFERRED" that idea. What I see that there is one God.

As I pointed out before perhaps you're not ready for the meat of the word.

Deuteronomy 4:39
Understand therefore this day, and consider in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none other.

Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none other; there is no God besides me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye and bring them, and let them take counsel together, who hath declared this from the beginning, or hath told it of old? Have not I the Lord? and there is none other God beside me, a just God, and a Savior: there is none beside me.

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none other God, and there is nothing like me,

Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,

John 20:26
¶ And eight days after, again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Then came Jesus, when the doors were shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 After said he to Thomas, Put thy finger here, and see mine hands, and put forth thine hand, and put it into my side, and be not faithless, but faithful.
28 Then Thomas answered, and said unto him, Thou art my Lord, and my God.


Acts 4:24
And when they heard it, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, thou art the God which had made the heaven, and the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them.

Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Timothy 2:5 [Full Chapter]
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God: thou doest well: the devils also believe it, and tremble.

 

[Butch5]

As I pointed out before perhaps you're not ready for the meat of the word.

Deuteronomy 4:39
Understand therefore this day, and consider in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none other.

Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none other; there is no God besides me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye and bring them, and let them take counsel together, who hath declared this from the beginning, or hath told it of old? Have not I the Lord? and there is none other God beside me, a just God, and a Savior: there is none beside me.

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none other God, and there is nothing like me,

Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,

John 20:26
¶ And eight days after, again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Then came Jesus, when the doors were shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 After said he to Thomas, Put thy finger here, and see mine hands, and put forth thine hand, and put it into my side, and be not faithless, but faithful.
28 Then Thomas answered, and said unto him, Thou art my Lord, and my God.


Acts 4:24
And when they heard it, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, thou art the God which had made the heaven, and the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them.

Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Timothy 2:5 [Full Chapter]
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God: thou doest well: the devils also believe it, and tremble.

There's no point in quoting these Scriptures they don't say there is a trinity. You already believe that and are reading it into those texts. Paul said there is one God the Father. He didn't say there is one God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[ewq1938]

Paul said there is one God the Father. He didn't say there is one God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Paul said there is one "God the Father" not one God who is only the Father. He also said there was one Savior but the Father is also called savior in scripture. People always misuse this verse do to misunderstanding it.

The Father is called God, the son is called God and the Holy Spirit is called God. One God composed of three, and three means a Trinity.

 

[anonymouswho]

This is a completely false statement on your part, as this link to the BibleHub concordance shows:

http://biblehub.com/concordance/s/substance.htm

A word that appears 99 times in Scripture I think we can all agree is not foreign to it. But you just basically accrued ninety nine counts of (I believe accidentally) disseminating a false statement

Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, that he will set him over all his substance (ὑπάρχω: possesions).
(DBY YLT)

Matthew 25:14 For it is as if a man going away out of a country called his own bondmen and delivered to them his substance
(DBY YLT)

Luke 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of theirsubstance.
(KJV ASV DBY WBS YLT)

Luke 15:12 and the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of 'thy'substance that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
(ASV YLT)

Luke 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
(KJV ASV WBS YLT)

Luke 15:30 but when this thy son, who has devoured thy substance with harlots, is come, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
(DBY)

Acts 2:45 and sold their possessions andsubstance, and distributed them to all, according as any one might have need.
(DBY)

Colossians 2:17 These were a shadow of things that were soon to come, but thesubstance belongs to Christ.
(WEY NAS RSV)

1 Timothy 6:18 to do good, to be rich in good works, to be liberal in distributing, disposed to communicate of their substance,
(DBY)

Hebrews 1:3 His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself made purification for our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(WEB ASV BBE DBY)

Hebrews 3:14 For if we keep the substance of the faith which we had at the start, even till the end, we have a part with Christ;
(BBE)

Hebrews 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
(KJV DBY WBS YLT)

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(KJV BBE WBS)

Hebrews 13:16 But of doing good and communicating of your substance be not forgetful, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
(DBY)

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief; and in that day the heavens will be rolled up with a great noise, and the substance of the earth will be changed by violent heat, and the world and everything in it will be burned up.
(BBE)

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and truly desiring the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will come to an end through fire, and the substance of the earth will be changed by the great heat?
(BBE)

1 John 3:17 But whoso may have the world's substance, and see his brother having need, and shut up his bowels from him, how abides the love of God in him?
(DBY)

There are 17 instances in the Greek writings, and 8 of those are only found in either the BBE or DBY. The first two instances are only found in the DBY and YLT. Almost every instance means "possession". The only verse where "substance" is applied to Yeshua is Hebrews 1:3 in the WEB, ASV, and again...the BBE, DBY. The Greek is ὑπόστασις hupostasis....not ὁμοούσιος homoousian. Hupostasis means assurance, confidence. If you click on the first word, it will bring you to a concordance that shows how it's been translated in other verses. If you click on the second word, it will take you to a Wikipedia article (sorry, there was no way to link it up to Strong's concordance because it doesn't exist. It's not even a real word).

The concordance says....

b.the substantial quality, nature, of any person or thing: τοῦΘεοῦ (R. V.substance),Hebrews 1:3 (Wis.16:21; ἴδε ...τίνοςὑποστάσεωςἤτίνοςεἴδουςτυγχάνουσινοὕςἐρεῖτεκαίνομιζετεΘεούς, Epist. ad' Diogn.2, 1 [ET]; (cf. Suicer, Thesaurus, under the word)).

Interesting...it only means "substantial quality, nature" in this one verse. That is a lie. Thank you.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

There's no point in quoting these Scriptures they don't say there is a trinity. You already believe that and are reading it into those texts. Paul said there is one God the Father. He didn't say there is one God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Actually they are all proof of the Trinity and just because you refuse to see that truth doesn't cause others to be deceived by your lack of comprehension of what I just posted.

 

[Butch5]

Paul said there is one "God the Father" not one God who is only the Father. He also said there was one Savior but the Father is also called savior in scripture. People always misuse this verse do to misunderstanding it.

The Father is called God, the son is called God and the Holy Spirit is called God. One God composed of three, and three means a Trinity.

Which is wrong.

 

[Butch5]

Actually they are all proof of the Trinity and just because you refuse to see that truth doesn't cause others to be deceived by your lack of comprehension of what I just posted.

I'll tell you what. Pick any passage you want from you list and prove that it proves the Trinity> However, just posting a bunch of passages and saying they prove your point doesn't prove your point. It's a logical fallacy called Elephant hurling. So, if your doctrine is some obvious then pick a passage and we'll address it.

 

[ScottA]

There is no verse in the bible that says believe in the trinity and ye shall be saved. Or anything even close.

The only verse in the bible that flat out tells you what you need to do to be saved is Romans 10:9. So explain to me an accused non christian who doesn't believe in the trinity but believes in romans 10:9 why im going to hell. Even though I believe what the bible says to believe to be saved.

You are not going to hell.

The Trinity doctrine has simply (and sometimes brutally) been developed as a way of explaining something very real about God. But it is like calling Christ "Jesus" or "Yeshua"...or calling your own father "Papa" or "Dad." If the concept of the Trinity has not found a place in you at this point or even unto death, you are in no danger of loosing your salvation.

Believe, and you shall be saved - it's a promise.

 

[tickingclocker]

Sorry, I misunderstood you. It still disagree about the Trinity (as it's believed today) though. I would contend that the Holy Spirit doesn't teach that.

Why not? "It still disagree about the Trinity (as its believed today)...." is a confusing sentence. Did you mean "I still disagree about the Trinity...."?

 

[Hoghead1]

The Trinity doctrine is taught in the bible. Now whether you believe it or not doesn't change that fact.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God (Elohim) said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Gen 11:7 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Exodus 3 : 14 And God answered Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Deu 4:4 Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is Lord only

Isa 6:8 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,

John 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9
Jesus said unto him, I have been so long time with you, and hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen my Father: how then sayest thou, Show us thy Father?

Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Galatians 3:20
Now a Mediator is not a Mediator of one: but God is one.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, which is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let the same mind be in you that was even in Christ Jesus,
6 Who being in the form of God, thought it no robbery to be equal with God:
7 But he made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made like unto men, and was found in shape as a man.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

The Bible implies a Trinity, but does not work it out in any detail. The Trinitarian formulations are largely extra-biblical in nature.

 

[Hoghead1]

You are not going to hell.

The Trinity doctrine has simply (and sometimes brutally) been developed as a way of explaining something very real about God. But it is like calling Christ "Jesus" or "Yeshua"...or calling your own father "Papa" or "Dad." If the concept of the Trinity has not found a place in you at this point or even unto death, you are in no danger of loosing your salvation.

Believe, and you shall be saved - it's a promise.

Good point. Too often, Christians have allowed their faith to collapse into intellectual ascent to doctrine. It's not anywhere near important to God how you live, what counts is what you believe. I view that as a mistake, a form of Christian Imperialism.

 

[Hoghead1]

You don't have to believe in the trinity to be saved. Anyone who tries to tell you that is a liar. It's not a point of argument when a lie is spoken so as to mislead the Saints. Recognize the lie, move on, and let those who perpetrate the lie live with the consequences that befalls false doctrine.

I ran into a guy that stated Jesus died on the cross and stayed dead! He's a false teacher, and a liar. What's to argue? When God has already told the Saints the fate of such ones as that? 2 Peter 2:1

Keep in mind also that there are those who relish confusing Christians and getting them upset over scripture misrepresentation on the internet. Some have been dedicated to that for years and years all over the web.
1 Timothy 6:3-5

Keep to the truth of the words of God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Let the ravenous wolves find sustenance elsewhere for their time is short and their fate is sealed unto damnation.

I agree. However, historically, many Christians have allowed faith to collapse into mere intellectual ascent to doctrine, as I pointed out in another post. All that matters to God is what you believe.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

I'll tell you what. Pick any passage you want from you list and prove that it proves the Trinity> However, just posting a bunch of passages and saying they prove your point doesn't prove your point. It's a logical fallacy called Elephant hurling. So, if your doctrine is some obvious then pick a passage and we'll address it.

Again ALL of those SCRIPTURES prove your opinion in complete error. But just for giggles explain this one.........
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born (CHRIST), and unto us a Son is given (CHRIST): and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor (HOLY SPIRIT), The mighty God (THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD), The everlasting Father (oops Christ states quite clearly here HE is the FATHER), The prince of peace.

 

[ewq1938]

Which is wrong.

No it's not wrong. It's scriptural and scripture is right.

 

[ken777]

The Father is called God, the son is called God and the Holy Spirit is called God. One God composed of three, and three means a Trinity.

Three, yes, but three what? Three persons ... or three roles?
The same Scriptures can be understood to believe God is one Person, not three persons.
It is almost impossible to clear our mind of preconceptions.