Why do you feel a NEED for theistic evolution?

[jJIM THINNSEN]

I notice that you seem to value the opinions of atheists on religion and the relationship of science to God, which does kind of undercut your argument, um?



Basic Christian theology. God is eternal, omnipotent,and omniscient. So He has no need to figure anything out. Demoting Him to a mere "designer" brings Him down to the level of a creature.

He's not a creature. You seem to think of Him being just like us, only bigger and more capable. That's not Christian theology. He's no mere "designer"; He is the one and eternal Creator.

HOW ABOUT THIS? ATHEISTS SAY IT IS ALL NONSENSE AND NEVER HAPPENED.. I THINK THAT ATHEISTS ARE WRONG AND IT IS TRUE. YOU SIDE WITH THE ATHEISTS DONT YOU?

"And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth."

Gen 9

 

[The Barbarian]

I notice that you seem to value the opinions of atheists on religion and the relationship of science to God, which does kind of undercut your argument, um?

Basic Christian theology. God is eternal, omnipotent,and omniscient. So He has no need to figure anything out. Demoting Him to a mere "designer" brings Him down to the level of a creature.

He's not a creature. You seem to think of Him being just like us, only bigger and more capable. That's not Christian theology. He's no mere "designer"; He is the one and eternal Creator.

(he's screaming again...)

HOW ABOUT THIS? ATHEISTS SAY IT IS ALL NONSENSE AND NEVER HAPPENED.

Most atheists are pretty calm about it. Some of are more like you. But the fact remains that for a Christian, God is no a mere "designer." He's the eternal and omnipotent Creator.

Atheists say evolution is inconsistent with God

I THINK THAT ATHEISTS ARE WRONG

You just told us otherwise. Or do you now realize that evolution is consistent with God?

AND IT IS TRUE. YOU SIDE WITH THE ATHEISTS DONT YOU?

No, I realize there's no conflict between God and evolution.

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

I notice that you seem to value the opinions of atheists on religion and the relationship of science to God, which does kind of undercut your argument, um?



Basic Christian theology. God is eternal, omnipotent,and omniscient. So He has no need to figure anything out. Demoting Him to a mere "designer" brings Him down to the level of a creature.

He's not a creature. You seem to think of Him being just like us, only bigger and more capable. That's not Christian theology. He's no mere "designer"; He is the one and eternal Creator.

"Basic Christian theology"

LOL... So where does Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism fit in with YOUR version of "Basic Christian Theology"?

Let's see,...

No 6 day creation, no garden of Eden, no Adam and Eve, No Original Sin, No Cain and Abel, No Noah's Flood No Rainbow as Gods covenant to never flood the world again.. Instead of Creating Man in Gods own image God creates worm like creatures that become Apes.. Etc etc etc..

Sure.... BASIC CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY!!!

I'm glad to expose this for what it is....

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

I notice that you seem to value the opinions of atheists on religion and the relationship of science to God, which does kind of undercut your argument, um?

Basic Christian theology. God is eternal, omnipotent,and omniscient. So He has no need to figure anything out. Demoting Him to a mere "designer" brings Him down to the level of a creature.

He's not a creature. You seem to think of Him being just like us, only bigger and more capable. That's not Christian theology. He's no mere "designer"; He is the one and eternal Creator.

(he's screaming again...)



Most atheists are pretty calm about it. Some of are more like you. But the fact remains that for a Christian, God is no a mere "designer." He's the eternal and omnipotent Creator.

Atheists say evolution is inconsistent with God



You just told us otherwise. Or do you now realize that evolution is consistent with God?



No, I realize there's no conflict between God and evolution.

"No, I realize there's no conflict between God and evolution."

Maybe YOUR god..(Whaever it is) But the Judeo Christian God of the Bible Created everything in 6 literal 24 hour days.. All of the created kinds varied and adapted or went extinct.. That leaves Satans greatest lie of Evolutionism out of it..

 

[The Barbarian]

There's pretty good evidence that there was a huge flood in the Middle East about the right time for it to have been the flood of Noah. It wasn't global, but then scripture doesn't say it was global.

So there is that. The size of the Ark in the allegory is a problem, since no wooden vessel that size could be constructed that would not flex and leak. So it's possible the "cubit" was different, but then all the animals wouldn't fit, and even if they did, there wouldn't be anyway to carry a year's supply of food.

So clearly allegorical, although there seems to have been an actual flood. As you learned earlier, God sometimes does allegories about real people and real events. Would you like me to show you that?

Anyway, we're getting off the track again. This isn't about misconceptions creationists have about scripture; it's about the misconceptions creationists have about evolution and the theory that explains it.

Got anything else you want to know?

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

I notice that you seem to value the opinions of atheists on religion and the relationship of science to God, which does kind of undercut your argument, um?

Basic Christian theology. God is eternal, omnipotent,and omniscient. So He has no need to figure anything out. Demoting Him to a mere "designer" brings Him down to the level of a creature.

He's not a creature. You seem to think of Him being just like us, only bigger and more capable. That's not Christian theology. He's no mere "designer"; He is the one and eternal Creator.

(he's screaming again...)



Most atheists are pretty calm about it. Some of are more like you. But the fact remains that for a Christian, God is no a mere "designer." He's the eternal and omnipotent Creator.

Atheists say evolution is inconsistent with God



You just told us otherwise. Or do you now realize that evolution is consistent with God?



No, I realize there's no conflict between God and evolution.

"You just told us otherwise. Or do you now realize that evolution is consistent with God"

It depends what you mean with your "bait and switch" duplicitous and purposely vague and ambivalent term "evolution"!! If you are referring to the example on the LEFT then yes, if you are referring to the example on the RIGHT then ABSOLUTELY NOT

Google Image Result for https://dl0.creation.com/articles/p104/c10429/evolution-happening-in-lab.jpg

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

One more time: "change in allele frequency in a population over time."


Some YE creationists still object to agencies of evolution, like natural selection, but most no longer do.

It's the scientific definition. If the gene pool of a population changes, that's evolution.



You're wising up. So evolution is an observed phenomenon. Now pay attention to this; you don't object to evolution as Darwin formulated it ("descent with modification"), or the definition informed by genetics, ("change in allele frequency in a population over time"). You object to a consequence of evolution (common descent). Some YE creationists still object to agencies of evolution, like natural selection, but most no longer do. As you learned earlier, most creationist organizations like AIG and ICR now admit a limited amount of common descent, meaning new species, genera, and families of organisms from earlier ones). Some go a bit farther. John Woodmorappe once told me in an email conversation that the limit would be roughly at the level of family, so it's not a hard limit.



Can. Mountains for example very slowly erode over many millions of years, but you could spend a lifetime watching mountain, and notice no change at all. On the other hand, as you were taught, sometimes, it can be very fast, like those lizards that evolved a new digestive organ in a few decades. Can you remember why the pace of evolution is not always the same? Think back.



It always works that way. As you have seen, pacing of evolutionary change depends on fitness of the population to the environment.



It is, and it surely befuddles a lot of creationists to learn that the amount of evolution that goes on in a population can vary, depending on fitness.



But evolution can and does. Your religion of "evolutionism" has nothing to do with evolution. Even Behe now admits that his "irreducibly complex" mousetrap isn't irreducibly complex. Would you like to learn why? Part of it is that he didn't realize that a simpler mousetrap was possible.
A reducibly complex mousetrap

The other part is something called "exaption." Would you like to learn how that works?

[quote[That is why I ask for, and NEVER GET, a plausible evolutionary order for man's 10 VITAL organs.

I showed you how lungs evolved, and suggested that you pick another one (have no idea why you think there are only ten). You declined to go any further. I think I know why. But feel free to pick any one of them and I'll show youl.



As you learned, humans evolved from primates. And if you would like, I can show you how mammals evolved from therapsid reptiles which already had most of the features we find in mammals. Would you like to learn about that?



No, you made that up again. For example, the integument (skin in vertebrates) preceded all others. Your problem is in not realizing that these occured long before there were humans.



See above; integument. Second would be the nervous system. We see both in very, very primitive animals like cnidarians.

Cnidarians aren't very smart, even if they have primitive nervous systems. So they go on living minus all that other stuff, completely ignorant of the fact that jJIM has decreed that they must be dead.



Cnidarians aren't very smart, as you just learned, so they go on doing it, not realizing that you've already ruled that they have to be dead.



I think everyone gets it now. Maybe you don't. I think maybe even a cnidarian would get it, though.



As you're probably beginning to suspect, they were all evolved long before humans. Your assumption that they all had to be present in living things for any living thing to survive, is of course wrong, as the cnidarians have taught you. If you'd like to learn about how other organs evolved, pick another one, and we'll go through it together. Or if you've got some time to read, try Leonard Radinsky's The Evolution of Vertebrate Design. It's detailed, but written to be accessible to the layman. Well worth your time; it would clear up a lot of misconceptions for you.

So what organ would you like to learn about next?[/QUOTE]

"Some YE creationists still object to agencies of evolution, like natural selection, but most no longer do."

Natural selection is NOT AN AGENCY OF EVOLUTION"!!! There is no such thing as Biological Evolution.. It is Satans greatest lie.. Natural Selection SELECTS from the PRE EXISTING GENETIC INFORMATION that is ALREADY PRESENT in each and every DIFFERENT KIND OF CREATURE that God created in the BEGINNING during the 6 24 hour days of Creation when God created the universe and all that is in it.. (Just like God said in Genesis)

"Natural Selection" SHOULD be referred to as "Natural Maintenance" or "Natural Optimization" because it is the mechanism created AND designed by the Judeo Christian God of the Bible in order to eliminate the misfits or the weak so as to delay the inevitable extinction for as long as possible..

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

I showed you how lungs evolved, and suggested that you pick another one (have no idea why you think there are only ten). You declined to go any further. I think I know why. But feel free to pick any one of them and I'll show youl.



As you learned, humans evolved from primates. And if you would like, I can show you how mammals evolved from therapsid reptiles which already had most of the features we find in mammals. Would you like to learn about that?



No, you made that up again. For example, the integument (skin in vertebrates) preceded all others. Your problem is in not realizing that these occured long before there were humans.



See above; integument. Second would be the nervous system. We see both in very, very primitive animals like cnidarians.

Cnidarians aren't very smart, even if they have primitive nervous systems. So they go on living minus all that other stuff, completely ignorant of the fact that jJIM has decreed that they must be dead.



Cnidarians aren't very smart, as you just learned, so they go on doing it, not realizing that you've already ruled that they have to be dead.



I think everyone gets it now. Maybe you don't. I think maybe even a cnidarian would get it, though.



As you're probably beginning to suspect, they were all evolved long before humans. Your assumption that they all had to be present in living things for any living thing to survive, is of course wrong, as the cnidarians have taught you. If you'd like to learn about how other organs evolved, pick another one, and we'll go through it together. Or if you've got some time to read, try Leonard Radinsky's The Evolution of Vertebrate Design. It's detailed, but written to be accessible to the layman. Well worth your time; it would clear up a lot of misconceptions for you.

So what organ would you like to learn about next?

"Some YE creationists still object to agencies of evolution, like natural selection, but most no longer do."

Natural selection is NOT AN AGENCY OF EVOLUTION"!!! There is no such thing as Biological Evolution.. It is Satans greatest lie.. Natural Selection SELECTS from the PRE EXISTING GENETIC INFORMATION that is ALREADY PRESENT in each and every DIFFERENT KIND OF CREATURE that God created in the BEGINNING during the 6 24 hour days of Creation when God created the universe and all that is in it.. (Just like God said in Genesis)

"Natural Selection" SHOULD be referred to as "Natural Maintenance" or "Natural Optimization" because it is the mechanism created AND designed by the Judeo Christian God of the Bible in order to eliminate the misfits or the weak so as to delay the inevitable extinction for as long as possible..[/QUOTE]

"I showed you how lungs evolved,"

It is a clear sign of desperation when ones opponent starts to answer questions THAT NOBODY ASKED..

I DIDN'T ASK. "How lungs evolved" because I ALREADY KNOW that they DIDN'T..

I asked for a plausible evolutionary order for man's 10 VITAL organs that pass the comic book drawing laugh test.. You DODGED IT..

"(have no idea why you think there are only ten)."

There are obviously MORE than 10, but I am trying to help you with just the BASIC ones.... If you want to throw some more VITAL organs into the mix please go ahead and list them as part of your order of 15 or 20 or whatever you decide..

 

[The Barbarian]

Natural selection is NOT AN AGENCY OF EVOLUTION"

Somewhere, I had you write down the scientific defintion of "evolution." Can you find it now? One more time: "change in allele frequency in a population over time."

So natural selection tends to increase alleles that are useful for survival, and remove those that are harmful. And that, as you now realize, changes the allele frequency of the population, and by definition, that's evolution. So you see that natural selection is an agency of evolution.

A new mutation that confers some benefit to the organism (and write this down: "fitness only counts in terms of the environment") so we have in humans, the Milano Mutation that greatly reduces the likelihood of heart disease. By genetic analysis, we know the specific human to which this mutation occured, and it is now spreading though the area of Italy in which it appeared. Natural selection is favoring people with this mutation.

And then there's the MCM6 gene. It causes the body to stop producing lactase. Babies can make lactase, but after a certain age, the MCM6 gene turns off the lactase gene and adults can't tolerate milk any longer.

Except, a few thousand years ago, there was a mutation in this gene so that it no longer turned off the lactase gene. Natural selection rapidly spread this mutation in dairying populations, because it had a huge advantage. No need to make cheese or yogurt; you could enjoy milk, butter, cream, etc. If you had the new gene, of course. The old gene is still around; some people, even in dairying cultures have it. So the new information in the mutation did not remove the old information.

Even most honest creationists now admit that natural selection increases fitness in a population. Would you like me to show you that?

Natural Selection SELECTS from the PRE EXISTING GENETIC INFORMATION that is ALREADY PRESENT

Or new mutations, as you now realize.

in each and every DIFFERENT KIND OF CREATURE that God created in the BEGINNING during the 6 24 hour days of Creation when God created the universe and all that is in it.. (Just like God said in Genesis)

That's not what it says. You just added it to God's word to make it more acceptable to you.

 

[The Barbarian]

I showed you how lungs evolved

It is a clear sign of desperation when ones opponent starts to answer questions THAT NOBODY ASKED..

You wanted to know which first evolved in humans. And now you realize that they all evolved long before there were humans.

I showed you then, how the first two organs evolved in very primitive organisms, and why it was that way, and you dodged it.

Barbarian wonders why you said there were 10 vital organs in humans.

There are obviously MORE than 10,

That's not what you said. But you're learning now.

Can you name even one vital organ in humans that does not exist in other organisms? That might help you in your path to understanding.

Let us know what you find.

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

You wanted to know which first evolved in humans. And now you realize that they all evolved long before there were humans.

NO!! I asked for a plausible evolutionary order for the 10 VITAL organs from MICROBE TO MICROBIOLOGIST over the course of "3 billion years" ...

Why do you lie so much and put words in other people's mouth?

 

[The Barbarian]

NO!! I asked for a plausible evolutionary order for the 10 VITAL organs from MICROBE TO MICROBIOLOGIST over the course of "3 billion years" ...

Nope. Go back and check. Not what you said.

And you keep forgetting that humans didn't evolve from microbes. They evolved from other primates. That's a hard concept for you, it seems.

Anyway, I already showed you that skin and nerves were the earliest. Then you lost interest in that, and wandered off to other things. You ready to pick it up again?

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

Nope. Go back and check. Not what you said.

And you keep forgetting that humans didn't evolve from microbes. They evolved from other primates. That's a hard concept for you, it seems.

Anyway, I already showed you that skin and nerves were the earliest. Then you lost interest in that, and wandered off to other things. You ready to pick it up again?

"Nope. Go back and check. Not what you said."

Good thing we have a record of what we wrote otherwise you would get away with your constant lies and false accusations.. Post # 453.. I will post it again here for our readers so I can continue to expose you..... Why not apologize for lying (for once) So I can give your "Skin and nerves were the earliest" My full attention which I am sure you are going to thoroughly enjoy!! I promise!!

HERE IS WHAT I WROTE

So you want Creationists to believe that MUTATIONS allowed for for an organless Microbe to S L O W L Y evolve into a Microbiologist with 10 interlocked, interdependent, interconnected VITAL organs AND their support systems all working perfectly together in tandem and harmony or we DIE when NO ONE can even provide a plausible chronological evolutionary order for man's (Or ANY mammal's) VITAL organs??

Which VITAL organ evolved FIRST? Liver?
Which VITAL organ evolved SECOND? Lower Intestine?
Which VITAL organ evolved THIRD? Stomach?
Which VITAL organ evolved FOURTH? Pancreas?
Which VITAL organ evolved FIFTH? Lungs?
Which VITAL organ evolved SIXTH? Kidneys?
Which VITAL organ evolved SEVENTH? Upper intestine?
Which VITAL organ evolved EIGHTH? Brain?
Which VITAL organ evolved NINTH? Heart?
Which VITAL organ evolved LAST? Skin?

You see, We are IRREDUCIBLY COMPLEX!!!

If you want to continue to believe in Evolutionism due to an emotional attachment because its IMPLICATIONS happen to align with your philosophical worldview, You are doing the right thing by avoiding me like the plague.. I am an Evolutionist's worst nightmare.. However, if you want to know the truth, even if that truth isn't what your itching ears want to hear, then respond with answers instead of bumper stickers and talking points.. Either way, I will continue to expose the myth of Evolutionism for our readers as the truth will set you free...

The Bible predicted all of this 2000 years ago with stunning accuracy!!

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

2 Timothy 4:3-4

 

[The Barbarian]

jJIM THINNSEN said: ↑
NO!! I asked for a plausible evolutionary order for the 10 VITAL organs from MICROBE TO MICROBIOLOGIST over the course of "3 billion years" ...[/QUOTE]

Nope. Go back and check. Not what you said.

Good thing we have a record of what we wrote otherwise you would get away with your constant lies and false accusations.. Post # 453..

As I told you, not what you said. Nothing about 3 billion years at all. I suppose you got excited and forgot what you wrote. I don't think you're a liar; I think you're too emotionally invested in your new religion of "evolutionism", and are often careless about things that show it to be false.

I understand why you don't want to to go on to the evidence for the first two organs to evolve; it's very well-documented.

I don't need an apology for your false accusation, I'll assume it was carelessness on your part, not dishonesty.

One would be tempted to say that your continuing adherence to your doctrine of "evolutionism" was predicted by 2 Timothy; you have indeed let your own desires attract you to false teachers and myths that have nothing to do with God's word.

However, I think that God was talking about something more serious than your belief in "evolutionism."

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

jJIM THINNSEN said: ↑
NO!! I asked for a plausible evolutionary order for the 10 VITAL organs from MICROBE TO MICROBIOLOGIST over the course of "3 billion years" ...

3 billion years is the "supposed" timetable you dishonest buffoon" I'm sure that Fred was really impressed by your tactics...

Nope. Go back and check. Not what you said.



As I told you, not what you said. Nothing about 3 billion years at all. I suppose you got excited and forgot what you wrote. I don't think you're a liar; I think you're too emotionally invested in your new religion of "evolutionism", and are often careless about things that show it to be false.

I understand why you don't want to to go on to the evidence for the first two organs to evolve; it's very well-documented.

I don't need an apology for your false accusation, I'll assume it was carelessness on your part, not dishonesty.

One would be tempted to say that your continuing adherence to your doctrine of "evolutionism" was predicted by 2 Timothy; you have indeed let your own desires attract you to false teachers and myths that have nothing to do with God's word.

However, I think that God was talking about something more serious than your belief in "evolutionism."[/QUOTE]

 

[The Barbarian]

3 billion years is the "supposed" timetable you dishonest buffoon" I'm sure that Fred was really impressed by your tactics...

You never said 3 billion years. You even showed us the post, and it wasn't there. I think you just got excited and forgot what you wrote, and then didn't read very carefully. I'll assume you didn't intent to lie about it. I suppose it's possible that you thought they were precisely the same thing, but given how wrong that is, I think it's more likely you were just careless.

And getting angry and calling names when you get caught, does tend to make people wonder. Avoid that kind of thing, hear?

So what do you say we stop wondering about your intentions and leave off fretting about the character of the Evil Barbarian© and try to stay focused on the subject? You just learned that integument and nervous system evolved before the other organs you listed. Unless you have other questions about this, shall we go on?

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

jJIM THINNSEN said: ↑
NO!! I asked for a plausible evolutionary order for the 10 VITAL organs from MICROBE TO MICROBIOLOGIST over the course of "3 billion years" ...

Nope. Go back and check. Not what you said.



As I told you, not what you said. Nothing about 3 billion years at all. I suppose you got excited and forgot what you wrote. I don't think you're a liar; I think you're too emotionally invested in your new religion of "evolutionism", and are often careless about things that show it to be false.

I understand why you don't want to to go on to the evidence for the first two organs to evolve; it's very well-documented.

I don't need an apology for your false accusation, I'll assume it was carelessness on your part, not dishonesty.

One would be tempted to say that your continuing adherence to your doctrine of "evolutionism" was predicted by 2 Timothy; you have indeed let your own desires attract you to false teachers and myths that have nothing to do with God's word.

However, I think that God was talking about something more serious than your belief in "evolutionism."[/QUOTE]


"You wanted to know which first evolved in humans. And now you realize that they all evolved long before there were humans."


NO!! I asked for a plausible evolutionary order for the 10 VITAL organs from MICROBE TO MICROBIOLOGIST over the course of "3 billion years" …

The "3 billion years" that was included to point out the timeframe and you focusing on that is just your way of derailing the thread so you don't have to face the music..
It's obvious what you are doing, Everyone reading this thread can clearly see it for themselves..


"I don't need an apology for your false accusation, I'll assume it was carelessness on your part, not dishonesty."

The Bible speaks about what you are doing...

20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,
who put darkness for light and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter"
Isaiah 5 20

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies". But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me! John 8

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

You just learned that integument and nervous system evolved before the other organs you listed. Unless you have other questions about this, shall we go on?

You never said 3 billion years. You even showed us the post, and it wasn't there. I think you just got excited and forgot what you wrote, and then didn't read very carefully. I'll assume you didn't intent to lie about it. I suppose it's possible that you thought they were precisely the same thing, but given how wrong that is, I think it's more likely you were just careless.

And getting angry and calling names when you get caught, does tend to make people wonder. Avoid that kind of thing, hear?

Stating the truth is not "Name Calling" If anything I was, and continue to be very measured in dealing
with your blatant dishonesty.

"So what do you say we stop wondering about your intentions and leave off fretting about the character of the Evil Barbarian© and try to stay focused on the subject? You just learned that integument and nervous system evolved before the other organs you listed. Unless you have other questions about this, shall we go on?

"Unless you have any other questions about this"

LOL... Just a few////

(1) What controlled the digestive enzymes of our "Skin and nerves" Remember the Brain hasn't "Evolved" yet!

(2) How did your mythical "Skin and nerves" EAT? As the Mouth, teeth, throat, hasn't evolved yet?

(3) How did your "Skin and nerves" Know WHAT to eat? As it has no eyes, nose, sensory glands, etc yet?

(4) How did your "Skin and nerves" move around to find Food that it cannot see, smell, or touch? Remember, Arms, legs, pelvis, spinal chord, joints, tendons, etc Have NOT "Evolved" yet?

(5) How did you "Skin and nerves" avoid being poisoned? Remember, the auto immune system, liver, kidneys, and waste expulsion HASNT "Evolved yet!

(6) How did the "Skin and nerves" avoid having the bag of skin collapse and smother it, you have no bones yet to support the structure of the skin!

(7) How did our "Skin and nerves" Oxygenate itself??? You have no lungs or gills yet.. They havent "Evolved" yet!! It is vital that living things respire to get the oxygen for living cells to function. DID YOU KNOW THAT??

(8) How did our "Skin and nerves" REPRODUCE? Either Sexually OR Asexually? The reproductive organs required for either manner of reproduction HAVENT EVOLVED YET!!

I could go on and on, but I dont want to kill the corpse...

You see... Whatever way you start you cause more problems for the myth."

I give you credit for at least being honest and trying to answer the question, Which, unlike 99.9% of your fellow Accidentalists, They AVOID THE QUESTION COMPLETELY...


The smarter ones catch on right away where the conversation leads and where it ends up... Hint.... ( Not Good for TOE) and DROP THE CONVERSATION LKE A HOT POTATO.. Steve Mcrae, Bill Ludlow, AronRa, Cosmic Sceptic, just to name a few will NOT ENGAGE ME..

They are cunning enough to not want their belief critiqued in an open forum by the likes of me... Believe me.. they don't want that to happen...(And you just got a small taste of why that is..) The TOE is INDEFENSIBLE...

Because the more people actually have to THINK about what actually had to have happened, the Laugh test wouldn't even qualify to describe such an incredible fantasy..

HOWEVER

I didn't mention something important, as I prefer to see how Evolutionists react first. I prefer to draw them out and try to get them thinking instead of just following what the dogma has programmed them to think.

I was able to get me question "Answered" By the guy who wrote the book "The Evolution of Organ Systems" Andreas Schmidt-Rhaesa, OUP Oxford, Aug 30, 2007 - Science - 400 pages.

I prefer to watch them accuse me of "Not Understand How Evolution Works" I wonder if they can make that same claim about Professor Andreas Schmidt-Rhaesa !! Hint.. He literally WROTE THE BOOK!!!!! LOL

LOL As a fair warning, if you have an extreme emotional attachment to Evolution for purely PHILOSOPHICAL reasons because of it's IMPLICATIONS, you DONT WANT to know professor Andreas Schmidt-Rhaesa answer.. Believe me..

Now is the point where 99% of these conversations end.. Usually with a few Ad Homs directed my way first, Sometimes not..

But if you have a genuine interest for truth, IRREGARDLESS of what that truth happens to be, let me know..

I would say the 99% of Evolutionists don't want to know the answer and don't contact me, I have had over 100 people contact me privately and I can safely say that over 50% of them are now EX EVOLUTIONISTS...

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

You never said 3 billion years. You even showed us the post, and it wasn't there. I think you just got excited and forgot what you wrote, and then didn't read very carefully. I'll assume you didn't intent to lie about it. I suppose it's possible that you thought they were precisely the same thing, but given how wrong that is, I think it's more likely you were just careless.

And getting angry and calling names when you get caught, does tend to make people wonder. Avoid that kind of thing, hear?

So what do you say we stop wondering about your intentions and leave off fretting about the character of the Evil Barbarian© and try to stay focused on the subject? You just learned that integument and nervous system evolved before the other organs you listed. Unless you have other questions about this, shall we go on?

ME "Who owned the Blue House on the corner"?

YOU Ignore..

Me "Who owned the Blue House on the corner"?

YOU Ignore

ME "Who owned the blue house on the corner"

YOU "You never asked me about any house on any corner"

ME "Of course I did!"

YOU " No you never asked me about ANY house"

ME (Demonstrates what I wrote)... " "Who owned the Blue House on the corner"?

YOU "See!!... You didn't say anything about any House on any corner!! You said BLUE House on the
corner! LIAR!!!"

And THIS is your Schtick over and over and over...


GEOLOGIC COLUMN? By JT

Speaking of the non existent "Geologic Column"

Are we to assume that "For millions of years" there was a light dusting of limestone that laid out perfectly with no erosion marks only to ABRUPTLY change to light dusting of sandstone all laid out perfectly even, Then a continuous dusting of coal for a few million years perfectly even on top and bottom then BACK to limestone for a few million then ABRUPTLY change to a light Shale rainfall for MOYs and THEN Arkose for a few million THEN Siltstone.. All Perfectly laid out in order...

Where did all of this material come from?? Outer Space??

All of this mental and emotional contortions just to deny the obvious? That it was all laid out due to hydrologic sorting from the cataclysmic flood of Noah in Genesis? Are whales and trees not going to rot completely over the "millions of years" while the sediments form over them? (Polystrate Fossils)

Just more silver bullets that pierce the corpse of Satans greatest lie of Evolutionism....

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

You never said 3 billion years. You even showed us the post, and it wasn't there. I think you just got excited and forgot what you wrote, and then didn't read very carefully. I'll assume you didn't intent to lie about it. I suppose it's possible that you thought they were precisely the same thing, but given how wrong that is, I think it's more likely you were just careless.

And getting angry and calling names when you get caught, does tend to make people wonder. Avoid that kind of thing, hear?

So what do you say we stop wondering about your intentions and leave off fretting about the character of the Evil Barbarian© and try to stay focused on the subject? You just learned that integument and nervous system evolved before the other organs you listed. Unless you have other questions about this, shall we go on?

Now, here comes the good part that I dont tell people until they engage me with my question..
I WAS able to get my Question (Asking for a plausible chronological evolutionary order for Mans 10 VITAL organs "answered" by Prof. Dr. Andreas Schmidt-Rhaesa, He is the guy who LITERALLY wrote the book "evolution of organ systems"

https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Organ-Systems-Andreas-Schmidt-Rhaesa/dp/0198566697

He is a professor / scientist / and a world renown expert on the "Evolution of Organs" He wrote the book! Do you think that HE is "qualified" to answer my question?.. LOL

Now, keep in mind.. He did give an "answer" but if you have a deep emotional attachment to "evolution" due to philosophical reasons you DONT want to know his answer (Hint : Not good for TOE) Your choice..
and this is where most Atheists end this conversation, because the really DONT want to hear anything that might cause them to doubt "evolution" because, It has NOTHING to do with Science and EVERYTHING to do with... as Richard Dawkins put it,..

"Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled Atheist"

HOWEVER

Several people have wanted to know his answer and many of them, after hearing it from me, are EX Atheists and now Born again Christians So proceed at your own risk...