Why do you feel a NEED for theistic evolution?

[jJIM THINNSEN]

"That belief won't work. It can't explain, for example, why bats are genetically and anatomically more like horses than they are like birds."

Because God designed them that way in the beginning when he created them.. God cares ZERO about Atheists opinions about genetic and anatomic similarities in their futile attempt to eliminate the need for a creator.... (Which BTW is another Tautology / Circular reasoning as anatomic similarities would ALSO mean MANY genetic similarities) LOL...

"Some interpretations fit the facts, and some don't. Yours doesn't work."

Still preaching into the mirror I see.. Lol..


"The fact that the genes of organisms show a family tree of descent indicates common ancestry."

MORE tautologies / circular reasoning? Evolutionists are quite adept at them, much like with Dating methods and "Index Fossils" (I can explain that for you as well if you like!)

"If they were all similarly alike, that would not show common descent."

Another assertion based on imagination and the desperate attempt to explain away Gods creation SANS the need for God.. Ironic isnt it?

"And we can check that idea by looking at organisms of known descent."

You gave an example of HUMANS as "organisms of known descent"!!!!! HOW on Earth does that demonstrate the fairytale that Humans share a descendant with strawberries, cockroaches, pine trees, whales, bats, rats, goldfish, sea otters, bananas, bugambilia and lady bugs????????? You know, the Fairytale that YOU believe in?


"It wasn't a theory until Darwin's predictions were repeatedly confirmed by evidence"

AHAHAHAH. Like I said, I an finally starting to catch on to your unusual sense of humor... This is another knee slapper! Bwahahahh

THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING!
By JT

"Evolution" "Predicts" EVERYTHING

So they have ALL THE BASES COVERED!!!!

1 Instant "Evolution" (One Generation) Hopeful Monsters / SALTATION

2 Fast "Evolution" PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM

3 Slow ..Plodding Methodological "Evolution" DARWINIAN MODEL

4 Non Existent "Evolution" 500 MYO LIVING FOSSILS

So evolution happens....

(1) INSTANTLY

(2) QUICKLY

(3) SLOWLY

(4) NEVER

The predictive power of "Evolution" is sure amazing isnt it? LOL

"It is impossible by micro-mutation to form any new species" Richard Goldschmidt

EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTIST AND INVENTOR OF HOPEFUL MONSTERS LUNACY..

"Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled Atheist"

Richard Dawkins

BT . Please dont go away... I love exposing Satans Fairytale for others to see so they can realize that we have all been lied to... Have a wonderful day! JT

"I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially to the extant that it's been applied, will be one of the greatest jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubious a hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

(Malcolm Muggeridge)

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

You keep forgetting. Humans evolved from other primates, not microbes.

I have forgotten NOTHING! I ALREADY KNOW that humans didn't evolve from microbes! It is the Evolutionists (YOU) that claim that humans S L O W L Y evolved from the SAME microbe that all other flora and fauna "Evolved" from... Why are you Falsely accusing ME of believing the insanity that YOU believe? Isnt there some Moderator or someone who will call you out for this deception? Do you get to get away with this all the time? Unreal.. Did Fred Williams allow you to get away with this?

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

You keep forgetting. Humans evolved from other primates, not microbes.

​

I have forgotten NOTHING! I ALREADY KNOW that humans didn't evolve from microbes! It is the Evolutionists (YOU) that claim that humans S L O W L Y evolved from the SAME microbe that all other flora and fauna "Evolved" from... Why are you Falsely accusing ME of believing the insanity that YOU believe? Isnt there some Moderator or someone who will call you out for this deception? Do you get to get away with this all the time? Unreal.. Did Fred Williams allow you to get away with this?


Hello Coffee4U Can you believe such dishonesty that these people have to stoop to? Accusing ME of believing what THEY believe while Denying they believe it?? Remember what I said about being "Born again"? Let me know if you EVER find someone who believes claims to believe in Satan's lie of Evolutionism AND claim to be born again... Don't take my word for it.. Just ask them!! Are you starting to see a pattern here?

​

"Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled Atheist"
Richard Dawkins

"The day will come when the evidence constantly accumulating around the evolutionary theory becomes so massively persuasive that even the last and most fundamental
Christian warriors will have to lay down their arms and surrender unconditionally. I believe that day will be the end of Christianity.” “The Meaning of Evolution”, American Atheist


"Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus’
earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of god.
Take away the meaning of his death. If Jesus was not the redeemer that died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing." G. Richard Bozarth,


"Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, as secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity,
with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint—and Mr. Gish is but one of many to make it—
the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today” (Ruse).


"The most devastating thing though that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed. If there never was an Adam and Eve there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation there is no need of a Savior. And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed. I think that evolution is absolutely the death knell of Christianity.'"""

Frank Zindler

 

[The Barbarian]

"That belief won't work. It can't explain, for example, why bats are genetically and anatomically more like horses than they are like birds."

Because God designed them that way in the beginning when he created them..

Nice try. Demoting God from Creator to "designer", won't help you. Why would God "design" bats to look like modified horses, with gene more like horses than like genes of birds?

Surely, you realize how absurd that sounds.

The fact that the genes of organisms show a family tree of descent indicates common ancestry. And we can test that idea by looking at genes of organisms of known descent.

MORE tautologies / circular reasoning?

Nope. As you just learned, the bush of common descent was found before Darwin was even born. And the data from genetics and transitional fossils that confirmed that common descent were found after Darwin made his predictions.

We see a lot of faked "tautologies" and "circular reasoning" from those who try to dismiss the evidence. Creationists are quite adept at them, much like their confusion of dating methods with index fossils.

Fact is, physicists who weren't at all interested in evolutionary theory, first figured it out. They found a way to accurately date rocks. Only after that was it possible to accurately date fossils found in the geologic column.

Most creationists have many, many misconceptions about radioisotope dating. Here's a place where you can learn about it:

Consistent Radiometric dates
by Joe Meert
Created Jan 2000
Updated January 6, 2004 (links fixed, added)
One of the main objections to radiometric dating

You gave an example of HUMANS as "organisms of known descent"!!!!!

Yep. Because we can trace back individual humans, sometimes for over a thousand years, we can see how genetic analysis confirms common descent. And of course, it does. We can use other sources, such as insects in Hawaii, where a few species that somehow made it there, wildly diversified in a few million years to form all sorts of odd insects known only on those islands. Not surprisingly, we again see the same genetic information of common descent. In fact for flies, it's possible to confirm the number of cases of species introduction from genetic analysis.

It's pretty standard math.

It wasn't a theory until Darwin's predictions were repeatedly confirmed by evidence

AHAHAHAH. Like I said, I an finally starting to catch on to your unusual sense of humor... This is another knee slapper! Bwahahahh

Most creationists are unclear on what "hypothesis"and "theory" mean in science. In science, it doesn't qualify as a theory until the predictions it makes are repeatedly confirmed. You're not the only one.

"Evolution" "Predicts" EVERYTHING

That's another superstition affecting a lot of creationists. They think it's about the Big Bang,and the origin of life and all that stuff. But of course, it's not. It's about living populations and how they change over time. As you learned, Darwin discussed how it could happen very slowly, or even halt for long periods. We have occasionally seen sudden changes, such as those Adriatic island lizards that evolved a new digestive organ in a few decades, but (as Darwin predicted) a well-fitted population in a constant environment would change very little. That prediction has also been confirmed.

So evolution happens....
(1) INSTANTLY

Since every birth involves a change in allele frequencies, that happens constantly. Instant speciation happens rarely, and then mostly in plants, because they can tolerate polyploidy events, as vertebrates almost never do.

(2) QUICKLY

Like those Adriatic lizards. Sometimes, but it's not common.

(3) SLOWLY

Like horseshoe crabs which have evolved very gradually over hundreds of millions of years, because they were well-adapted in a constant environment.

(4) NEVER

Well no, that's never been observed. If you learned that (like almost all other physical phenomena) evolution's pacing depends on some external factors, then you've made another step toward understanding.

 

[The Barbarian]

I have forgotten NOTHING! I ALREADY KNOW that humans didn't evolve from microbes!

But I have to keep reminding you that they evolved from other primates. For some reason, you have a lot of trouble with that concept. It's O.K. I'm a very patient guy.

Why are you Falsely accusing ME of believing the insanity that YOU believe?

I know that humans didn't evolve from microbes. I'm just reminding you, because you forgot again. Not a problem.

Isnt there some Moderator or someone who will call you out for this deception?

Why not just avoid saying that humans evolved from microbes? Then I won't have to remind you. Seems like an easy thing.

Do you get to get away with this all the time?

As you learned, even honest YE creationists acknowledge that the large number of transitional hominids are very good evidence for their evolution. Would you like me to show you that, again?

Unreal.. Did Fred Williams allow you to get away with this?

He once questioned me about me frequently saying "as you learned", but after considering that I had been teaching in graduate school, he tolerated it. Which is not to say we always got along. He once banned me from a different message board than the one he currently has, because we clashed so much. Over time, I grew to respect him as a Christian, and apparently,the feeling became mutual.

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

"That belief won't work. It can't explain, for example, why bats are genetically and anatomically more like horses than they are like birds."



Nice try. Demoting God from Creator to "designer", won't help you. Why would God "design" bats to look like modified horses, with gene more like horses than like genes of birds?

Surely, you realize how absurd that sounds.

The fact that the genes of organisms show a family tree of descent indicates common ancestry. And we can test that idea by looking at genes of organisms of known descent.



Nope. As you just learned, the bush of common descent was found before Darwin was even born. And the data from genetics and transitional fossils that confirmed that common descent were found after Darwin made his predictions.

We see a lot of faked "tautologies" and "circular reasoning" from those who try to dismiss the evidence. Creationists are quite adept at them, much like their confusion of dating methods with index fossils.

Fact is, physicists who weren't at all interested in evolutionary theory, first figured it out. They found a way to accurately date rocks. Only after that was it possible to accurately date fossils found in the geologic column.

Most creationists have many, many misconceptions about radioisotope dating. Here's a place where you can learn about it:

Consistent Radiometric dates
by Joe Meert
Created Jan 2000
Updated January 6, 2004 (links fixed, added)
One of the main objections to radiometric dating



Yep. Because we can trace back individual humans, sometimes for over a thousand years, we can see how genetic analysis confirms common descent. And of course, it does. We can use other sources, such as insects in Hawaii, where a few species that somehow made it there, wildly diversified in a few million years to form all sorts of odd insects known only on those islands. Not surprisingly, we again see the same genetic information of common descent. In fact for flies, it's possible to confirm the number of cases of species introduction from genetic analysis.

It's pretty standard math.

It wasn't a theory until Darwin's predictions were repeatedly confirmed by evidence



Most creationists are unclear on what "hypothesis"and "theory" mean in science. In science, it doesn't qualify as a theory until the predictions it makes are repeatedly confirmed. You're not the only one.



That's another superstition affecting a lot of creationists. They think it's about the Big Bang,and the origin of life and all that stuff. But of course, it's not. It's about living populations and how they change over time. As you learned, Darwin discussed how it could happen very slowly, or even halt for long periods. We have occasionally seen sudden changes, such as those Adriatic island lizards that evolved a new digestive organ in a few decades, but (as Darwin predicted) a well-fitted population in a constant environment would change very little. That prediction has also been confirmed.



Since every birth involves a change in allele frequencies, that happens constantly. Instant speciation happens rarely, and then mostly in plants, because they can tolerate polyploidy events, as vertebrates almost never do.


Like those Adriatic lizards. Sometimes, but it's not common.



Like horseshoe crabs which have evolved very gradually over hundreds of millions of years, because they were well-adapted in a constant environment.



Well no, that's never been observed. If you learned that (like almost all other physical phenomena) evolution's pacing depends on some external factors, then you've made another step toward understanding.

"Nice try. Demoting God from Creator to "designer", won't help you."

This is absolutely insane... God is BOTH CREATOR AND DESIGNER..


"Why would God "design" bats to look like modified horses,"

I know, Cause every time I look at a BAT, the first thing is think is "wow, look at the flying HORSE!
Your sense of humor is starting to resonate but I don't think you are joking! (Sadly)
with gene more like horses than like genes of birds?

"Nope. As you just learned, the bush of common descent was found before Darwin was even born."

Oh I know, it actually goes way back many thousands of years with the Pagans trying to eliminate the need for God of creation... (For our readers) BTW, Who is Darwin? Should anyone care? Just some poor fool who plagiarized a failed hypothesis from his Grandfather Erasmus (didn't you know that?).. LOL


The modern “theory” of evolution, though not a theory according to the scientific definition, is a theory that carries ancient roots in paganism. “The early 20th century evolutionist director of the American Museum of Natural History, Henry Fairfield Osborn, showed in his book From the Greeks to Darwin… that all the essential ideas of Darwin’s theory can be found in the writings of ancient Greeks[.]”1) Osborn wrote, “Evolution has reached its present fullness by slow additions in twenty-four centuries. When the truths and absurdities of Greek, mediaeval, and sixteenth to nineteenth century speculation and observation are brought together, it becomes clear that they form a continuous whole, that the influences of early upon later thought are greater than has been believed, that Darwin owes more even to the Greeks than we have ever recognized.”2) He recognized, “Evolution, as a natural explanation of the origin of the higher forms of life, succeeded the old mythology and autochthony in Greece, and developed from the teachings of Thales and Anaximander into those of Aristotle.”3)

Evolution is Paganism | Truth Watchers

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

I know that humans didn't evolve from microbes.

WHAT? So God just Created primates / ape like creatures in the beginning and they evolved into humans?

So NOW you are claiming that (According to "Evolution") that humans didn't S L O W L Y evolve from a Protista / Amoeba / Bacteria / SCO / Paramecium / Microbe / Protozoa (FILL IN THE BLANK!) over "3 billion years"?

Looks like I will have to ask Fred about all of this and show him what you are up to these days...

WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS!!!

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

According to the fairytale of Evolutionism, the SAME microbe / bacteria / amoeba / protista / SCO / small living creature ... ..S L O W L Y ....evolved into....Apples ants, aardvarka antelopes asparagus apes, anteaters bees bats butterflies badgers buffalo Bristlecones beetles Barracuda bugambilia bears Bobcats beavers boas bison billygoats bass boars cows crocodile crayfish corn crickets dogs dolphins dandelions ducks elephants earthworms eagles Finches fireflies fawns gorillas geese hens horses humans iguanas jackals kangaroos koalas lemons lilacs lilies ladybugs leopards manta rays moreys monkeys mangos mongooses maples mice nuts otters ostriches Oranges olives Porcupines pears porpoises pigs plums rats roses ravens radishes rhubarb rabbits rice starfish scorpions skunks salamanders tadpoles ... ALL FROM THE SAME CREATURE!! Don't you guys even know your own religion of Evolutionism?

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

We refer to Him as "He." And we always capitalize the word. I'd appreciate it if you could show Him that respect. He is your Maker, after all.

Sorry, the god of evolution is NOT my Maker.... Get the idea?

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

Sorry, the god of evolution is NOT my Maker.... Get the idea?

Darwin thought it is the God Who spoke to Abraham. So do most scientists today.



We refer to Him as "He." And we always capitalize the word. I'd appreciate it if you could show Him that respect. He is your Maker, after all.



Since most of the world's Christians now say that their faith if entirely consistent with evolution, your guy is out of luck.

While YE creationist has been an effective atheist-maker, many evangelicals are no thinking that there's nothing wrong with God; there's something wrong with YE creationism:

Why some evangelicals changed their minds about evolution
But this month, another group of evangelicals is making a very different case – minus any animatronic critters -- in a new book, "How I Changed My Mind About Evolution."


It promotes the idea that one can be serious about Christian faith and still accept a scientific Darwinian account of human origins. BioLogos, the organization of pro-evolution Christians in the sciences founded by famed geneticist Francis Collins, teamed with InterVarsity Press to publish a collection of 25 personal essays from clergy, scholars and scientists.
Why some evangelicals changed their minds about evolution

But eventually, by 1994 I was through with young-earth creationISM. Nothing that young-earth creationists had taught me about geology turned out to be true. I took a poll of my ICR graduate friends who have worked in the oil industry. I asked them one question.


"From your oil industry experience, did any fact that you were taught at ICR, which challenged current geological thinking, turn out in the long run to be true? ,"


That is a very simple question. One man, Steve Robertson, who worked for Shell grew real silent on the phone, sighed and softly said 'No!' A very close friend that I had hired at Arco, after hearing the question, exclaimed, "Wait a minute. There has to be one!" But he could not name one. I can not name one. No one else could either. One man I could not reach, to ask that question, had a crisis of faith about two years after coming into the oil industry. I do not know what his spiritual state is now but he was in bad shape the last time I talked to him.

And being through with creationism, I very nearly became through with Christianity. I was on the very verge of becoming an atheist.
Old Earth Creation Science Testimony - Why I Left Young Earth Creationism, by Glenn Morton

This is the real damage that the man-made doctrine of YE creationism does to Christian faith. And there's this bit of unorthodox religious invention:

Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus’ earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of god.
Take away the meaning of his death. If Jesus was not the redeemer that died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing." G. Richard Bozarth,

God doesn't care at all if you like the way He created things. You can be a YE creationist, and as long as you don't build an idol of your new faith, you can still be saved. That's not how God will judge you.

And then there's this foolishness:

Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, as secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint—and Mr. Gish is but one of many to make it—
the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today” (Ruse).

As you see, the evolutionists here don't see it as a secular religion at all. So Mr. Ruse is wrong from the get-go. Like other atheists and YE creationists, he wants to drive a wedge between God and His creation. He might be invincibly ignorant and blameless thereby. What about you?

It's no secret that YE creationists and atheists share that agenda. But Christian belief requires no such divorce of God and creation. Real Christians are quite comfortable with whatever God chose:

I don’t think that there’s any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we’ve tried to make the Scriptures say things that they weren’t meant to say, and I think we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course, I accept the Creation story. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man … whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man’s relationship to God.
Rev. Billy Graham
Evolutionary Creation

According to the fairytale of Evolutionism, the SAME microbe / bacteria / amoeba / protista / SCO / small living creature ... ..S L O W L Y ....evolved into....Apples ants, aardvarka antelopes asparagus apes, anteaters bees bats butterflies badgers buffalo Bristlecones beetles Barracuda bugambilia bears Bobcats beavers boas bison billygoats bass boars cows crocodile crayfish corn crickets dogs dolphins dandelions ducks elephants earthworms eagles Finches fireflies fawns gorillas geese hens horses humans iguanas jackals kangaroos koalas lemons lilacs lilies ladybugs leopards manta rays moreys monkeys mangos mongooses maples mice nuts otters ostriches Oranges olives Porcupines pears porpoises pigs plums rats roses ravens radishes rhubarb rabbits rice starfish scorpions skunks salamanders tadpoles ... ALL FROM THE SAME CREATURE.

 

[coffee4u]

"And we can check that idea by looking at organisms of known descent."

Again they don't know that they are of known decent, they only know these creatures share DNA. The "known decent" is again the story spun around the facts.

 

[coffee4u]

@jJIM THINNSEN can you tell me who I am replying to since I must have them on ignore.

 

[The Barbarian]

According to the fairytale of Evolutionism

But your fairytale you call "evolutionism" has nothing whatever to do with Darwin's theory or modern evolutionary theory.

the SAME microbe / bacteria / amoeba / protista / SCO / small living creature

Here, you've confused three domains into one vague idea of an organism. No wonder you're confused.

As you now see, genetics, phenotypic analysis, and the fossil record all confirm that all living things on Earth had a common ancestor. This is why your fellow YE creationist, Dr. Todd Wood, admits:

Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.
...
Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough.
The truth about evolution
And:
Ever since I affirmed that the evidence for evolution is reasonable and that evolutionary theory has not failed, I've been explaining ideas about science and evidence leading up to this post. After many years in this debate, I've come to the uncomfortable conclusion that we creationists have made an idol of our own arguments. I don't say this lightly or flippantly either. This is a deadly serious problem, and the conservative wing of Christianity desperately needs to address it.
The Nature of Idolatry

What you still don't get, is that it wasn't a ladder of one thing after another. Rather (as Linneaus discovered before Darwin was born) it's a bush of divergent lines leading to all those living things that puzzle you so.

Linnaeus had no idea why it looked like a family tree; he tried to use the same organization for minerals, and was surprised that it didn't work. We know why today, of course. Such nested hierarchies of thing are only found in cases of common descent.

Set your idol aside, let it be God's way.

 

[The Barbarian]

Sorry, the god of evolution is NOT my Maker.... Get the idea?

He's the only God there is. Learn to accept Him as He is.

 

[The Barbarian]

Looks like I will have to ask Fred about all of this and show him what you are up to these days...

Tell him Pat said "Hi", and tell him I asked how he and his family are doing. His son must be an adult by now; hope he's doing well.

WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS!!!

It's a little different here. Fred's website is unabashedly creationist. This one seems to be kinda neutral.

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

But your fairytale you call "evolutionism" has nothing whatever to do with Darwin's theory or modern evolutionary theory.



Here, you've confused three domains into one vague idea of an organism. No wonder you're confused.

As you now see, genetics, phenotypic analysis, and the fossil record all confirm that all living things on Earth had a common ancestor. This is why your fellow YE creationist, Dr. Todd Wood, admits:

Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.
...
Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough.
The truth about evolution
And:
Ever since I affirmed that the evidence for evolution is reasonable and that evolutionary theory has not failed, I've been explaining ideas about science and evidence leading up to this post. After many years in this debate, I've come to the uncomfortable conclusion that we creationists have made an idol of our own arguments. I don't say this lightly or flippantly either. This is a deadly serious problem, and the conservative wing of Christianity desperately needs to address it.
The Nature of Idolatry

What you still don't get, is that it wasn't a ladder of one thing after another. Rather (as Linneaus discovered before Darwin was born) it's a bush of divergent lines leading to all those living things that puzzle you so.

Linnaeus had no idea why it looked like a family tree; he tried to use the same organization for minerals, and was surprised that it didn't work. We know why today, of course. Such nested hierarchies of thing are only found in cases of common descent.

Set your idol aside, let it be God's way.

the SAME microbe / bacteria / amoeba / protista / SCO / small living creature

"Here, you've confused three domains into one vague idea of an organism. No wonder you're confused."


No YOU are the confused one.

This is from Wikipedia TODAY.. Is this wrong? According to YOU it is..
Have you invented your OWN hybrid hypothesis to fit your emotional
needs?

Timeline of human evolution - Wikipedia



Overview of taxonomic ranks[edit]
A tabular overview of the taxonomic ranking of Homo sapiens (with age estimates for each rank) is shown below.

Rank Name Common name Millions of years ago (commencement)
Life 4,100
Archaea
Domain Eukaryota Eukaryotes (slime molds and related) 2,100
Podiata
Unikonts
Obazoa
Opisthokonts Holozoa + Fungi s.l. 1,300
Holozoa 1,100
Filozoa Choanozoa + Filasterea
Choanozoa Choanoflagelates + Animals 900
Kingdom Animalia Animals 610
Subkingdom Eumetazoa
Parahoxozoa
Bilateria Triploblasts / Worms 560
Nephrozoa
Deuterstomes
Phylum Chordata Chordates (Vertebrates and closely related invertebrates) 530
Olfactores
Subphylum Vertebrata Fish / Vertebrates 505
Infraphylum Gnathostomata Jawed fish 460
Teleostomi Bony fish 420
Sarcopterygii Lobe finned fish
Superclass Tetrapoda Tetrapods (animals with four limbs) 395
Amniota Amniotes (fully terrestrial tetrapods whose eggs are "equipped with an amnios") 340
Synapsida Proto-Mammals 308
Therapsid Limbs beneath the body and other mammalian traits 280
Class Mammalia Mammals 220
Subclass Theria Mammals that give birth to live young (i.e., non-egg-laying) 160
Infraclass Eutheria Placental mammals (i.e., non-marsupials) 125
Magnorder Boreoeutheria Supraprimates, (most) hoofed mammals, (most) carnivorous mammals, whales, and bats 124–101
Superorder Euarchontoglires Supraprimates: primates, colugos, tree shrews, rodents, and rabbits 100
Grandorder Euarchonta Primates, colugos, and tree shrews 99–80
Mirorder Primatomorpha Primates and colugos 79.6
Order Primates Primates / Plesiadapiformes 75
Suborder Haplorrhini "Dry-nosed" (literally, "simple-nosed") primates: tarsiers and monkeys (incl. apes) 63
Infraorder Simiiformes monkeys (incl. apes) 40
Parvorder Catarrhini "Downward-nosed" primates: apes and old-world monkeys 30
Superfamily Hominoidea Apes: great apes and lesser apes (gibbons) 28
Family Hominidae Great apes: humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans—the hominids 20–15
Subfamily Homininae Humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas (the African apes)[1] 14–12
Tribe Hominini Includes both Homo, Pan (chimpanzees), but not Gorilla. 10–8
Subtribe Hominina Genus Homo and close human relatives and ancestors after splitting from Pan—the hominins 8–4[2]
(Genus) Ardipithecus s.l. 6-4
(Genus) Australopithecus 3
Genus Homo (H. Habilis) Humans 2.5
(Species) H. Erectus s.l.
(Species) H. heidelbergensis s.l.
Species Homo sapiens Anatomically modern humans 0.8–0.3[3]

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

He's the only God there is. Learn to accept Him as He is.

"He's the only God there is. Learn to accept Him as He is."

My God is the God of the Bible.. You know.. Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, Flood of Noah, Cain and Abel, Tower of Babel .. Stuff you obviously don't believe in.. You know The True and Living God! I have no idea who YOUR god is.. The god of Evolution who used 3 billion years to allow a single common ancestor to evolve into all creatures on Earth including Man.. is NOT the God of the Bible.. Get the idea?

You will indeed reap what you are sowing here... It isn't my place to judge you, Only to expose the lie of Evolutionism.. And THAT is indeed what I do better than anyone you know... You should be enjoying this experience as you wont face it again anywhere else.. This is Big League All Star pitching you are up against.. Try to learn from it...

 

[jJIM THINNSEN]

@jJIM THINNSEN can you tell me who I am replying to since I must have them on ignore.

I was pointing out that I have rarely seen such dishonesty as I have see from this Person

The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

 

[The Barbarian]

My God is the God of the Bible.. You know.. Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, Flood of Noah, Cain and Abel, Tower of Babel .. Stuff you obviously don't believe in..

If you have to lie about what I believe and don't believe to make your point, that's an important clue about your ideas, isn't it? It is possible that you are so indoctrinated that you think your new doctrines are actually essential to Christian belief.

I have no idea who YOUR god is..

Sadly, it might be true. I do hope you know Him, and I think you do sincerely believe; it seems you just don't approve of the way He created things.

You will indeed reap what you are sowing here... It isn't my place to judge you, Only to expose the lie of Evolutionism..

It's very sad that your indoctrination requires you to deny the faith of your fellow Christians. Your belief in "evolutionism" prevents you from learning anything about the theory of evolution.

And THAT is indeed what I do better than anyone you know... You should be enjoying this experience as you wont face it again anywhere else.. This is Big League All Star pitching you are up against..

Well, you know how easy old Barbarians are... and you so competent and tricky and all. Still, knowing what I'm talking about does give me a considerable advantage over you.

Try to learn from it...

You have, so far, merely recycled old stuff most creationists gave up using decades ago. Why do you think it was so easy to refute it?

 

[The Barbarian]

I was pointing out that I have rarely seen such dishonesty as I have see from this Person

The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

And yes, the final resort; "He's lying! He's lying." You're pretty much the standard unschooled creationist. Most of them are less angry and and less aggressive than you are, though.