Why do you believe in the evolution theory?

[Davian]

I doubt they can.

That's what they have the Antichrist Lovers Union for.

Was that intended to be hurtful?

 

[Davian]

Correction, that would make him less supernatural and more alien

I do not follow this. Why would evolving on another planet allow for the ability to violate what we understand as the laws of physics?

(seeing as aliens are less human and more other).

No, panspermia hypotheses aside, (extraterrestrial) aliens are not human. Bananas are less human and more other (thereabouts).

 

[JacksBratt]

Simple, basic astronomical observations show that the speed of light has been roughly constant ever since light left the distant galaxies. Because if light left those galaxies . . . millions and billions of light year distant as they are . . . then slowed down on its way to us . . . then all dynamic things we observe would be slowed down by the same factor as the slowing of the light. This would include the time for the waxing and waning of supernova and the rotation rate of the galaxies. Because those are about the same, not slowed with distance, no matter how distant the galaxy, we can directly observe the light has not slowed by very much at all over billions of years.

Its a good thing you are such an expert on this. You can stop the arguing and debating between the top scientist in this field. You could just walk in and tell them the way it is, and walk out...

 

[Loudmouth]

Its a good thing you are such an expert on this. You can stop the arguing and debating between the top scientist in this field. You could just walk in and tell them the way it is, and walk out...

Can you show me any consensus on a theory where the speed of light was different 1 billion years ago?

 

[lasthero]

Its a good thing you are such an expert on this. You can stop the arguing and debating between the top scientist in this field. You could just walk in and tell them the way it is, and walk out...

Since when do you care about what 'top scientists' say? I thought they were all corrupted by the evil Smithsonian Institute?

 

[dad]

Neither does religion, but it carries on, due to inertia.

Actually, belief in Christ carries on because He is alive.

 

[JacksBratt]

I'm saying they're both martyrs.

So, in answer to my question, I guess, your saying that everyone in the bombing is a martyr...

All I can say is wow.

Both going to extremes for their faith.

So, how is the bomber going to an extreme in their faith? How are they doing anything for their faith if their faith is in no danger? By eliminating the competition? There is no threat to their belief. They are the threat.

They are killing defenseless, oblivious, innocent, non aggressive men, women, children and possibly, people of the same faith that they are "going to extremes" for.

Who is telling them to do this, as well? Their god, their religious leader? If it was me I'd be say'n "you first dude"


It is murder, of innocent people. It is suicide to for the bomber. However, they don't call it that because the religion that they are going to such "extremes" for forbids suicide. Ironic huh. It's OK to murder some random person but if you kill yourself.... you go to hell. So, the tell you that you will be a martyr and get 72 virgins.....

Again, just, wow.

The fact that someone is willing to go to such an extreme does not give validity to their beliefs.

I agree here 100%

 

[Loudmouth]

Actually, belief in Christ carries on because He is alive.

Is that why belief in Shiva carries on?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So, in answer to my question, I guess, your saying that everyone in the bombing is a martyr...

All I can say is wow.




So, how is the bomber going to an extreme in their faith? How are they doing anything for their faith if their faith is in no danger? By eliminating the competition? There is no threat to their belief. They are the threat.

They believe otherwise.

They are killing defenseless, oblivious, innocent, non aggressive men, women, children and possibly, people of the same faith that they are "going to extremes" for.

In war, they call that "collateral damage."

Your problem is that you think that the killing is the point -- it's not; it's only a means to a political end.

 

[JacksBratt]

Moffat is proposing that the speed of light was faster over 13 billion years ago during the very, very early universe. Is that the theory you accept?

The theory is that the speed of light was extremely faster at the beginning of the universe and has slowed down over time and is still slowing down.


Science is advancing and more and more things are being discovered.

This phenomena is going to escalate in the next few years and the data is going to blow your mind.

 

[JacksBratt]

As a Christian: What's the problem with this theory anyway?

Which theory?

 

[Loudmouth]

The theory is that the speed of light was extremely faster at the beginning of the universe and has slowed down over time and is still slowing down.

That is not the theory. Moffat's theory is that the speed of light was much faster, but only for a tiny fraction of time during the early universe after which it immediately slowed down to the current value. Moffat has the speed of light being the same for billions of years.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That is not the theory. Moffat's theory is that the speed of light was much faster, but only for a tiny fraction of time during the early universe after which it immediately slowed down to the current value. Moffat has the speed of light being the same for billions of years.

Is that because the universe itself was expanding at the time?

 

[dad]

Is that why belief in Shiva carries on?

Probably. Evil spirits don't die, they just mutate.

 

[Loudmouth]

Is that because the universe itself was expanding at the time?

One of the puzzles is figuring out how all of that energy interacted with each other in the early universe so that energy was evenly distributed during the initial inflation of the singularity. Moffat's solution is to have things buzzing around at 30 to 60 orders of magnitude faster so that the energy is quickly distributed across the initial universe. Once the initial inflation is over (i.e. when the universe is just a few seconds old if my understanding is correct), the speed of light drops to its present level.

"A variable speed of light (VSL) cosmology is described in which the causal mechanism of generating primordial perturbations is achieved by varying the speed of light in a primordial epoch. This yields an alternative to inflation for explaining the formation of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and the large scale structure (LSS) of the universe."
[1501.01872] Nonlinear Perturbations in a Variable Speed of Light Cosmology

"We consider anew and modify a model in which local Lorentz invariance is spontaneously broken in the very early universe, and in this epoch the speed of light undergoes a first or second order phase transition to a value ~ 30 orders of magnitude smaller, corresponding to the presently measured speed of light. Before the phase transition at a time t ~ t_c, the entropy of the universe is reduced by many orders of magnitude, allowing for a semiclassical quantum field theory calculation of a scale invariant fluctuation spectrum."
[hep-th/0208122] Variable Speed of Light Cosmology: An Alternative to Inflation

If YEC's are trying to find a theory where the speed of light was different just a few thousand years ago, they are going to be sorely disappointed by Moffat.

 

[Loudmouth]

Probably. Evil spirits don't die, they just mutate.

So Jesus is an evil spirit because he is still alive?

 

[dad]

So Jesus is an evil spirit because he is still alive?

No. Good spirits don't die. There is spiritual influence in religion. There are spirits influencing science.

People today believe because of many things having to do with Christ being alive. He enters our lives when asked, and is actually there. His word is alive also, and those who are not dead to things spiritual are aware of the many proofs God gave in His word.

This is why we know that those who preach that life started by evolution are spouting lies whether or not they know it or are capable of knowing it.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. Good spirits don't die.

Then Shiva is a good spirit because Shiva is still alive?

 

[dad]

Then Shiva is a good spirit because Shiva is still alive?

No more than Satan is. But why pretend you believe in spirits?

 

[Loudmouth]

No more than Satan is. But why pretend you believe in spirits?

You are the one that believes in spirits. I am just trying to follow your logic, or lack thereof.

Apparently, the only evidence we need for a god is that someone believes that the god is real. Seems like a low bar for evidence.