Why do you believe in the evolution theory?

[dad]

You are the one that believes in spirits.

As are most people on earth now and always...so?

I am just trying to follow your logic, or lack thereof.

Well if bad and good spirits are alive still, what are you missing?

Apparently, the only evidence we need for a god is that someone believes that the god is real. Seems like a low bar for evidence.

No. We have prophesy such as Jesus telling us the temple would be thrown down, and it was. We have a word that is alive and working wunderbars. We have Christ seen by hundreds and known by millions since. Happy Easter.

 

[justlookinla]

You are the one that believes in spirits. I am just trying to follow your logic, or lack thereof.

Apparently, the only evidence we need for a god is that someone believes that the god is real. Seems like a low bar for evidence.

Right or wrong, billions of people believe they've interacted with the spirit realm.

 

[Loudmouth]

As are most people on earth now and always...so?

Well if bad and good spirits are alive still, what are you missing?
No. We have prophesy such as Jesus telling us the temple would be thrown down, and it was. We have a word that is alive and working wunderbars. We have Christ seen by hundreds and known by millions since. Happy Easter.

Can you show that the prophesy was written before the temple came down?

Also, I have shown you prophecies that Jesus didn't fulfill, and you ignore them.

 

[dad]

Can you show that the prophesy was written before the temple came down?

Exhibiting strange denial and Last Thursdayism is not so cool. Do not call Peter and Paul and Luke and John etc..liars.

Also, I have shown you prophecies that Jesus didn't fulfill, and you ignore them.

You have? Confused? His parents were not worms. In fact the Jews had records in the temple that went right back to the first man. No flatworms involved. No apes. No fish. The record of the living is so much cooler than the partial record of the dead! (fossils)

 

[dad]

Right or wrong, billions of people believe they've interacted with the spirit realm.

Come to think of it, what reason is there to doubt or question them, especially from science!?

 

[Loudmouth]

Exhibiting strange denial and Last Thursdayism is not so cool. Do not call Peter and Paul and Luke and John etc..liars.

Then prove to me that the prophesy was made before the Temple came down.

You have? Confused? His parents were not worms. In fact the Jews had records in the temple that went right back to the first man.

Based on what? The claims of men without any evidence?

 

[justlookinla]

Come to think of it, what reason is there to doubt or question them, especially from science!?

Well, first, science isn't to be blindly trusted so they're really no help. Actually, the people who question the existence of the spiritual realm are interacting with it themselves, unbeknownst to them. They aren't aware of what they're doing, how they're being blindly led.

 

[dad]

Well, first, science isn't to be blindly trusted so they're really no help. Actually, the people who question the existence of the spiritual realm are interacting with it themselves, unbeknownst to them. They aren't aware of what they're doing, how they're being blindly led.

That can be seen in their words.

 

[dad]

Then prove to me that the prophesy was made before the Temple came down.

Why a shrill call for proof when science cannot prove it? Have we any reason to doubt Christ did and said what He was confirmed and witnessed to have done? You seem to be asking for blind unbelief.

Based on what? The claims of men without any evidence?

Based on the fact that they kept great records and did so for a looong time, and that those records are known to have existed. Have you any basis to deny the Jews kept genealogical records? Give credit where credit is due, what are you anti Semitic?

Come to think of it God could not have chosen a better nation to keep the records, or one that went back to the time shortly after the flood! Name another nation that was even HERE in Abraham's day!?

 

[Davian]

Actually, belief in Christ carries on because He is alive.

 

[Davian]

The theory is that the speed of light was extremely faster at the beginning of the universe and has slowed down over time and is still slowing down.


Science is advancing and more and more things are being discovered.

This phenomena is going to escalate in the next few years and the data is going to blow your mind.

And how do you know this?

"The Imminent Demise of Evolution: The Longest Running Falsehood in Creationism - G.R. Morton

In recent reading, Dembski and other ID proponents make the claim that evolution (or major supporting concepts for it) is increasingly being abandoned by scientists, or is about to fall. This claim has many forms and has been made for over 185 years. This is a compilation of the claims over time. The purpose of this compilation is two-fold. First, it is to show that the claim has been made for a long, long time. Secondly, it is to show that entire careers have passed without seeing any of this movement away from evolution. Third, it is to show that the creationists are merely making these statements for the purpose of keeping hope alive that they are making progress towards their goal. In point of fact, no such progress is being made as anyone who has watched this area for the last 50 years can testify. The claim is false as history and present-day events show, yet that doesn't stop anyone wanting to sell books from making that claim. Now for the claims in chronological order."

Demise of Evolution?

 

[Davian]

Right or wrong, billions of people believe they've interacted with the spirit realm.

But not one can demonstrate that this "interaction" is outside of their imagination. Correct?

 

[Loudmouth]

Why a shrill call for proof when science cannot prove it? Have we any reason to doubt Christ did and said what He was confirmed and witnessed to have done? You seem to be asking for blind unbelief.

Have you any evidence? If not, it is you who is asking for blind belief.

Based on the fact that they kept great records and did so for a looong time, and that those records are known to have existed.

According to whom? Men?

Again, all you have is claims made by men and backed by zero evidence.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

...Actually, the people who question the existence of the spiritual realm are interacting with it themselves, unbeknownst to them. They aren't aware of what they're doing, how they're being blindly led.

Fictional characters from a fictional realm are leading me? I hope it's Hermoine.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Violating the laws of physics is the very definition of "supernatural", as you see.

Aliens only violate the laws of physics in science fiction.

As my question related more directly to the matter he difference between the attributes of certain fictitious comic strip heroes/supernatural entities (be they able to violate physical laws or not, be they from another world or not -- is not the point here) with those of the God of the Bible, it seems that it is easier to avoid dealing with the actual question. No harm, I am sure it is something that is better addressed on a thread which is not within the limited scope of science.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

That sudden change in the rotation of the Earth was caused by a massive shift in the burden of proof.

It is you that needs to demonstrate that Jesus is God since you are the one making the claim.

Are you aware of any scientific argument that proves that Jesus was God? I certainly don't, though I think Josh McDowell might have some.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

What is this impending danger that I should be aware of?

What sort of punishment do you think you might avoid by being more cautious about how you speak of the God of the Bible, with so many witnesses here present?

Rather than asking, can you not detail that yourself?

Of course I can, but based on the sort of replies I've got thus far -- I think silence is my best choice.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I do not follow this. Why would evolving on another planet allow for the ability to violate what we understand as the laws of physics?

It might, it might not. Who can say? I was referring to Superman as being a supernatural entity, though I think the word 'supernatural' is probably not the best fit -- for though he had human traits, he had certain natural fortitude (i.e. extreme tough skin -- no inoculations using a syringe) -- plus he wasn't from our planet, he was sent in a little rocket to our planet (still a babe) and lived as a young boy among boys, until he began to manifest his supernatural (well super-alien) powers. He's certainly nothing like the God of the Bible, Wonder Woman being even less so -- as she was an Amazon woman with powers that have changed over time, depending on the whims of the various story lines developed about her.

No, panspermia hypotheses aside, (exthraterrestrial) aliens are not human. Bananas are less human and more other (thereabouts).

I know that. That is my point. However, Superman wasn't exactly your regular grey, or whatever Mufon experts call aliens now days?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Actually, belief in Christ carries on because He is alive.

I was not referring to Christ, but to the God of the Bible. (in other words, not the incarnate Son of God) but God the Father. Savvy.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Is that why belief in Shiva carries on?

We are discussing the God of the Bible, not Shiva. If that was the case, I would have asked the following question. What is the difference between the attributes credited to Wonder Woman or Superman and Shiva in the Vedas?