Why do you believe in the evolution theory?

[TLK Valentine]

At times, yes.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

That's what you get when someone wants to worship a god of destruction -- destruction.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[JacksBratt]

They believe otherwise.

Well, I believe that the bombers themselves totally believe that they are martyrs. The ring leaders, on the other hand are well aware of the truth. They use the ignorant minions as pawns.

In war, they call that "collateral damage."

So, just who declared war and on what pretense? The war of Islam against all other religions? Convert or we are allowed to kill you? That war?

Also, in war, collateral damage is not the intended target. If you blow up a machine gun nest and the farmer was near by and gets hurt or killed, that's collateral damage. To go into the farm house and kill the farmer and his family, that is murder.

Your problem is that you think that the killing is the point -- it's not; it's only a means to a political end.

I think you may have a different point of view if one of your loved ones was killed by a bomber, decapitated for not converting, stoned for being gay or looking at a man, "allowing" yourself to be raped, any number of atrocious acts against innocent well meaning human beings, all because they think differently.

There is no way that any sane government, legal system, council, or jury would allow the "collateral damage" you speak of in real life or under any rules of war.

These acts are evil incarnate.

 

[JacksBratt]

If YEC's are trying to find a theory where the speed of light was different just a few thousand years ago, they are going to be sorely disappointed by Moffat.

A growing number of scientists and their data may prove otherwise.

As science progresses the majority of the group always chastise the one who discovers something that doesn't fit the status quo.

In the end, the truth is far more powerful than the ignorance of yesteryear.

Then, the truth becomes the new status quo and later on, the ignorance of the past.

Thus, science moves on. Changing someones mind is difficult.

There are many measurements of the speed of light in the last thousand years. The accuracy of the methods do not cause an overlap of the changes in the velocity. The same methods have been used several times with diminishing values. It stopped slowing down for a while until they realised that they were using a clock, which keeps time based on the speed of light in order to measure the speed of light. Small oversight with huge ramifications.

Don't worry, if you doubt this fact, you are not alone. This is causing a huge rift in the world of physics and astronomy. In the end, as always, the facts and the truth cannot be discarded.

 

[JacksBratt]

So Jesus is an evil spirit because he is still alive?

 

[JacksBratt]

Then Shiva is a good spirit because Shiva is still alive?

You are much more intelligent than this.. I'm not bite'n.

 

[JacksBratt]

When you replace metaphors with facts you are able to use logic to deduce what should be found. You are able to make testable predictions.

Very true, however metaphors are often used to make complicated issues understandable to the layman or others who are not proficient in a certain are of knowledge. Not necessarily unintelligent but ignorant of certain concepts. No?

What a dull and grey world it would be without Superman and Kryptonite, how boring without leprechauns! Life would not be worth living without without Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny!

I expected a higher class of literature from you. I would certainly expect life to be dull and grey without Shakespeare, George Orwell, Robert Clements, William Wadsworth, Robert Service and other great authors.

And you, of course, can set me straight. You know exactly what I must do to gain God's provisional acceptance. I am reminded of the time in kindergarten when one of my classmates assured me that 1 + 1 = 2, and 2 + 2 = 3!

Not just me. Any child who has been to the most basic of Sunday School classes where they study the Holy Bible, can educate you on this.
Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.




You are starting to tarnish my opinion of you. First Santa and the Easter Bunny as your example of metaphor's and now, basic theology that has been presented here so often is not comprehended by you?

I am getting the distinct impression that you would have me learn your way. I suspect that if God wanted me to be like you, he would have made me you.

There can be many people who are alike and yet they are still very much individuals.

If you need myth and metaphor because you cannot handle facts and reasoning, that does not mean that others share your disabilities. Not all of us need Basic Theology for Dummies.

Metaphors are not used to hide the facts or ignore them. They are used to amplify and clarify them.Now who is in need of a book for dummies?

I notice a not so subtle shift from "we" to "you".

So sorry for not keeping my "we's" and "you's" consistent.

I am really sorry, JacksBratt, I am sure you are a very nice human, as humans go, but I find your reasoning and the facts you base it on, somewhat ... shaky.

Thanks.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, I believe that the bombers themselves totally believe that they are martyrs. The ring leaders, on the other hand are well aware of the truth. They use the ignorant minions as pawns.

No argument there -- leaders have always tricked the devout and gullible to serve their own ends. It's the same in every religion.

So, just who declared war and on what pretense? The war of Islam against all other religions? Convert or we are allowed to kill you? That war?

Who declared the "Culture War"? Who fired the first shot in the "War on Terror"? The "War on Drugs"?

"War" exists independent of some self-appointed or elected stooge signing an official proclamation.

Also, in war, collateral damage is not the intended target. If you blow up a machine gun nest and the farmer was near by and gets hurt or killed, that's collateral damage. To go into the farm house and kill the farmer and his family, that is murder.

Agreed, which is why I say that simply killing people is not the point of a suicide bombing -- it's a means to an end.

The goal, as in any war, is a political one: The bombers (or more specifically, the people behind the bombers) are sending a message:

We can get you anywhere.

No place is safe from us.

The people you trust to protect you... can't.


It doesn't matter who, where, or how many get caught in the blast -- although bigger is better -- so long as they get their message across. So whether this person dies, or that one, or those people... is incidental.

I think you may have a different point of view if one of your loved ones was killed by a bomber, decapitated for not converting, stoned for being gay or looking at a man, "allowing" yourself to be raped, any number of atrocious acts against innocent well meaning human beings, all because they think differently.

Obviously I would have a much deeper personal stake in it -- just as a solder in a war would watching his friends and comrades get killed by the enemy in a battle.

That clouds the truth, but doesn't make it go away -- war is a political action with a political goal.

There is no way that any sane government, legal system, council, or jury would allow the "collateral damage" you speak of in real life or under any rules of war.

Don't confuse "desperate" with "insane." When you dismiss your enemy, you underestimate him.

They're sane enough to know they can't win a fair fight -- so they don't fight fair. That gimmick is as old as war itself:

If the rules say you're going to lose, then lose the rules.

These acts are evil incarnate.

Evil incarnate, eh? So what acts are you ready to justify in order to stop them?

 

[AV1611VET]

No argument there -- leaders have always tricked the devout and gullible to serve their own ends. It's the same in every religion.

Interesting comment, in light of this passage:

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Notice how God compares scientists back then to "kings"?

King Solomon is considered the wisest man on earth outside of Jesus Christ.

He is also considered an Old Testament scientist.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Interesting comment, in light of this passage:

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Notice how God compares scientists back then to "kings"?

You're not God, AV -- it's you, not Him, trying (and as usual, failing) to trick the devout and gullible to serve your own ends.

King Solomon is considered the wisest man on earth outside of Jesus Christ.

He is also considered an Old Testament scientist.

The Old Testament had a pretty low standard.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Interesting comment, in light of this passage:

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Notice how God compares scientists back then to "kings"?

King Solomon is considered the wisest man on earth outside of Jesus Christ.

He is also considered an Old Testament scientist.

Kinda like the reason the church was the first school? We are indeed to seek knowledge and wisdom, at any cost. Because that knowledge, when technology advances enough and we finally begin to understand the very fundamentals of life and matter, will lead us to only one conclussion.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're not God, AV --

No, but I'm His ambassador ...

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

... and I'll answer to Him for my beliefs ...

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

... not you.

The Old Testament had a pretty low standard.

I don't care how low it is in you guys' eyes, it's still miles above today's standards.

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

 

[TLK Valentine]

No, but I'm His ambassador ...

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Reason #43,685 to not be a believer, then...

... and I'll answer to Him for my beliefs ...

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

... not you.

Pity -- I'll cut you a lot more slack than He will, I suspect.

I don't care how low it is in you guys' eyes, it's still miles above today's standards.

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Credit to God where it is due -- He chooses foolish things well.

 

[AV1611VET]

Pity -- I'll cut you a lot more slack than He will, I suspect.

Credit to God where it is due -- He chooses foolish things well.

Do you find it ironic that you have to pretend He exists to make your peanut-gallery comments?

I put [today's] science down big-time; and I don't have to pretend anything to do it.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Do you find it ironic that you have to pretend He exists to make your peanut-gallery comments?

I put [today's] science down big-time; and I don't have to pretend anything to do it.

Just depends on what one calls science - and what one calls Fairie Dust. In the end - it all leads to "personal" belief. Don't confuse believing with a religion(s) - any more than you believe all science is science. All religion may not be true, any more than all science is true.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just depends on what one calls science - and what one calls Fairie Dust. In the end - it all leads to "personal" belief. Don't confuse believing with a religion(s) - any more than you believe all science is science. All religion may not be belief, any more than all science is really science.

Good point.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

At times, yes.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Perhaps there was a time when people took such words as a mandate for the justification of war, but we do have a very different sort of message from Jesus -- in word, and it deed. I am a Christian Pacifist and find absolutely no justification for war whatsoever.

 

[Belk]

Do you find it ironic that you have to pretend He exists to make your peanut-gallery comments?

I put [today's] science down big-time; and I don't have to pretend anything to do it.

I would disagree with that assessment.

 

[dad]

Perhaps there was a time when people took such words as a mandate for the justification of war, but we do have a very different sort of message from Jesus -- in word, and it deed. I am a Christian Pacifist and find absolutely no justification for war whatsoever.

I think you may have something there. Israel was God's nation, and had a time when it was right to fight as a nation. In fact it was commanded. We can't say the same for antiChrist US, Russia, Israel today, or any other nation! Can we?

In the chapter you cited, I read that to mean that there is a time of war...just like there are other times. There is a summer time, that doesn't mean we need to take propane heaters and try to warm up the trees in spring

 

[AV1611VET]

I am a Christian Pacifist and find absolutely no justification for war whatsoever.

It it wasn't for those who weren't pacifists, you'd be saying that in German right now.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would disagree with that assessment.

I'm not surprised.