Why do you believe in the evolution theory? (2)

[Loudmouth]

"
Yoga (/ˈjoʊɡə/; Sanskrit: योग, Listen) is a physical, mental, and spiritual practice or discipline. There is a broad variety of schools, practices and goals[1] in Hinduism, Buddhism (including Vajrayana and Tibetan Buddhism[2][3][4]) and Jainism.[5][6][7][6] The best-known are Hatha yoga and Raja yoga.
The origins of Yoga have been speculated to date back to pre-Vedic Indian traditions," wiki


For those concerned about bad spirits being invited in, yoga is dangerous. For those who could not care less what spirit possesses them...bon apetit.

You can do yoga without any spiritual aspects.

Also, why is yoga any more dangerous than mass on Sundays?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

XD prayer and meditation for a person who cannot stop moving even when their body hurts from it? I don't think so. And diet is not going to make a dent in a condition as severe as mine. Would you ask a schizophrenic person if they tried meditating the hallucinations away and be serious about it?

There are certain prayer disciplines which do not require one to be seated, the same is true with meditation.
As to diet, I think you underestimate the value such.

You'd be surprised how useful proper prayer, whether you want to call it whatever you want -- is capable of doing for folks with many ailments.

I am surprised that your scientific mind is slammed so tightly shut.

I hope in time, you may see the value of both.

Earnestly,
George.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

You can do yoga without any spiritual aspects.

Also, why is yoga any more dangerous than mass on Sundays?

You are quite correct.

In the years of chatting to many who do and who just happen to be serious Christians -- the names which are hung over the disciplines are merely a way of demonizing certain practices which are done by people right across the board.

Unfortunately, some folks see evil in everything but their own worldview.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are quite correct.

In the years of chatting to many who do and who just happen to be serious Christians -- the names which are hung over the disciplines are merely a way of demonizing certain practices which are done by people right across the board.

Unfortunately, some folks see evil in everything but their own worldview.

Makes you wonder if they would condemn golf if they saw a group of Hindus ahead of them in the fairway.

Even atheists can appreciate the link between emotions and health. Afterall, the placebo effect is a real thing and it is independent of any religion or belief. We can also appreciate the link between exercise and health. Being able to enjoy a calm and social atmosphere with other people that encourages physical fitness is a very healthy thing.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Makes you wonder if they would condemn golf if they saw a group of Hindus ahead of them in the fairway.

Even atheists can appreciate the link between emotions and health. Afterall, the placebo effect is a real thing and it is independent of any religion or belief. We can also appreciate the link between exercise and health. Being able to enjoy a calm and social atmosphere with other people that encourages physical fitness is a very healthy thing.

Yes.

With only a brief glance at what sort of research there is, in both fields.
It's clear that there are certainly plenty of snake-oil salesmen out there, but there is genuine research into the value of both.

Obviously, the realm of medical science is cautious -- but where such practices have been refined by practitioners for thousands of years, it's certainly not something that one shakes off just because somebody says they 'feel' it is wrong and spout Wiki. quotes in bolster an opinion.

I was one of those who was majorly skeptical and condemning of Eastern practices, but have grown to appreciate both diet and certain one-on-one treatments (not excluding proper medicines -- but a healthy support of both)

 

[SLP]

Well, there you go - the real answer to why so many people reject science.

 

[FredVB]

Any people living now have some history showing cruelty, selfishness and being hurtful to others, with a lack of compassion and love in some ways. There is a standard for there to be showing much more in that. All understanding we have of love, concern, and compassion were modeled in the biblical account of Yahweh's perfect creation, where all for our and all creatures' need and happiness was provided. We never are living up to such fully, but we have a fallen nature. God calls us to greater perfection showing such, the perfection in all that is only possible from God, and it would be through Jesus Christ. Christians in truth are often coming well short of that, but no unbelievers are coming to it on their own. But evolutionary processes as according to theory for it would not lead to anything of the sort.

Christians are not perfect, but we are on the road to perfection! That won't come in this life though if I read it right. The empathy or other 'good' things that those who reject Christ can muster up is small compared to God's standards.

Too many of the believers don't change in a desirable way to significantly more godliness so soon at all. But it remains a possibility, Jesus said it for us, see it in Matthew 5. We as believers have such higher standard. Though there are those of other religions that have some higher standard, yet not as great, those who are unbelievers without any religion with God don't have any higher standard like that, if they are trusting things just work with natural evolutionary processes, do they?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Well, there you go - the real answer to why so many people reject science.

Which is also the reason why so many Creationists recycle the same old lame arguments.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Too many of the believers don't change in a desirable way to significantly more godliness so soon at all. But it remains a possibility, Jesus said it for us, see it in Matthew 5. We as believers have such higher standard. Though there are those of other religions that have some higher standard, yet not as great, those who are unbelievers without any religion with God don't have any higher standard like that, if they are trusting things just work with natural evolutionary processes, do they?

Careful now, next thing you'll have someone calling you a 'saint'.

 

[dad]

You can do yoga without any spiritual aspects.

Also, why is yoga any more dangerous than mass on Sundays?

Like I would ask someone that didn't even believe in spirits what spirits can do?!

 

[dad]

Too many of the believers don't change in a desirable way to significantly more godliness so soon at all. But it remains a possibility, Jesus said it for us, see it in Matthew 5. We as believers have such higher standard. Though there are those of other religions that have some higher standard, yet not as great, those who are unbelievers without any religion with God don't have any higher standard like that, if they are trusting things just work with natural evolutionary processes, do they?

That doesn't include tampering around with evil spirits in transcendental; meditation or Hindu spiritual practices. The higher standard involved looking only to Christ.

 

[dad]

You are quite correct.

In the years of chatting to many who do and who just happen to be serious Christians -- the names which are hung over the disciplines are merely a way of demonizing certain practices which are done by people right across the board.

Unfortunately, some folks see evil in everything but their own worldview.

Many 'christians' don't even believe in demons. (or the bible in any meaningful way..etc etc)

 

[dad]

Makes you wonder if they would condemn golf if they saw a group of Hindus ahead of them in the fairway....

What makes eastern religious practices dangerous is getting open to bad spirits, not being out in the open.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Like I would ask someone that didn't even believe in spirits what spirits can do?!

When you express an opinion (and that is all it is) on a public forum, such as this one -- you have not only asked it of those who don't support your particular opinion but of everyone who reads this thread. (whether poster or reader they be.)

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

That doesn't include tampering around with evil spirits in transcendental; meditation or Hindu spiritual practices. The higher standard involved looking only to Christ.

Yes, TM is very different to Meditation. I hope you plan to explain the various Hindu practices, and how each one is completely unlike those found in the various Christian traditions. Good luck with that.

Yes, most of us know that you promote Exclusivism.

~~~
- I object to the use of the word 'Hindu' or Hinduism, to describe what you plan to explain.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

What makes eastern religious practices dangerous is getting open to bad spirits, not being out in the open.

Assuming that you can make a case for the existence of spirits, or spirit or Spirit (which is purely a faith claim), your first port of call -- and then manage to shed your Exclusivism and show how the religious practices of the East are somehow so different from those within the various Christian traditions -- I might read your arguments. As of now, you sound like one of those American television-evangelists.

 

[dad]

When you express an opinion (and that is all it is) on a public forum, such as this one -- you have not only asked it of those who don't support your particular opinion but of everyone who reads this thread. (whether poster or reader they be.)

If an opinion comes to me about spirits and what they are and do etc...from someone who is ignorant totally and doesn't so much as believe in spirits, I would not ask them for spirit advice! They can pipe up from the peanut galley and utter foolishness, yes. I guess we must suffer some things here.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

If an opinion comes to me about spirits and what they are and do etc...from someone who is ignorant totally and doesn't so much as believe in spirits, I would not ask them for spirit advice! They can pipe up from the peanut galley and utter foolishness, yes. I guess we must suffer some things here.

You missed my point.

Simply. People with all sorts of opinions are watching.

 

[dad]

Assuming that you can make a case for the existence of spirits, or spirit or Spirit (which is purely a faith claim), your first port of call --

Anyone claiming a Christian icon ought to have that base covered. Even most of the population of the world believe in spirits. We are not at a point where this needs to have a 'case made'. We are at a point of 'face the music' or cover your ears!

and then manage to shed your Exclusivism and show how the religious practices of the East are somehow so different from those within the various Christian traditions -- I might read your arguments. As of now, you sound like one of those American television-evangelists.

All eastern spiritual practices involve demons. Those who know Christ would know that spirits are real, and that there are bad spirits. To be involved in a practice a spiritual practice with spirits that do not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and rose again for the salvation of all who will believe, is to engage in spirits that are NOT of God.

 

[dad]

You missed my point.

Simply. People with all sorts of opinions are watching.

Right. If I want advice on radiometric dating procedures I will ask someone familiar with that practice. If some dupe replies to such a question with some thick foolishness regarding the atomic realities surrounding the question, I will not accept it as valuable or bonifide. Likewise if someone comments on spirits who is thick as a brick to them and about them, I will not look to that particular poster or their post for advice.

How about you, when you are not an apologist for atheists, do you believe in spirits?