Why Do Wiccans Hate Christians?

[Orch Dork]

Well, as a pagan who used to be Wiccan, we don't hate you We just want you to stop 1) trying to convert us 2) let us have our religion without wanting to set us on fire

Seriously though, if Christianity would be a little more tolerant (which I'm told is not part of the program so it won't be happening anytime soon) then we'd be fine with y'all. Since that's not the case... we feel the need to defend ourselves yes, but we still don't 'hate' you. Some Wiccans (espeically younger more zealous members who have just left your faith or one like it) will harbor resentment, but that usually fades with time and love and patience.

And the same happens the other way around. ::grins:: Okay, here it is. I used to be a Catholic until I was 12. I was taught some very... well, shady things in CCD (Sunday school) by some odd teachers (ya know, things like "If you sneeze and no one says 'Bless you' then your soul is taken over by the Devil" and stuff like that -- don't ever tell a 1st grader that; they'll believe ya), which led me away from the Catholic church and into a religion where there was no Satan. So I picked Wicca. And I was cool with it for a long time, about 5 or 6 years, and I never bashed my old religion, no resentment or anything. (Not saying that I'm a perfect being or anything -- quite the contrary, lol -- but I just appreciated other faiths and still do today.) But there was still something missing. And this is me personally. So I met my boyfriend, a Christian, and we had LONG talks about theology and everything and what may be missing. I discovered that I missed Jesus, so I returned Him and God... though not back to Catholicism. That was my choice, and now I'm a non-denom Christian. I still have little regard to Satan, but he dragged me from God. And I decided to fight.

Wow, this is getting long. Almost done, I promise. About this: "We just want you to stop 1) trying to convert us 2) let us have our religion without wanting to set us on fire ", I hated it when others tried converting me as well, and I thought that everyone was out to get me. But still... personally, it was grat hearing things from other perspectives. Ya just need to know the right people. *^.^* There are some overly zealous people (and I'm saying this for all religions, not just Christianity) that think that their way is right... but who's to say? Just trust in God (or whatever ya call Him) and you'll be okay.

Hope this helps some. ::grins:: And... ::BIG HUG!!:: I'm prayin' for ya!

~Orch Dork~

P.S. This is me personally, and not describing any wishes, whims, or opinions of others. ~.^ Just me!

 

[Godschild]

I think that whatever people wanna believe is their choice. It's not a contest, it's about having faith. Period. Whether it's the oldest or not is insignificant. The importance is that it should be respected just as much as any other religion. I think that those who get into it for rebellion or because of the lifestyle are really sad people. It's about faith, not a label.

 

[Imbolc]

I believe most of this comes from personal perception and experience. Being raised by somewhat liberal Christians I found the issue of denying Christianity to be much more trying to my family, tha my acceptance of an alternative religion in Wiccae.

Also it's been my experience that different sects react differently, though a blanket statement for any particular group is entirely unwarranted. I agree with pretty much everyone that we'd all be much better off together if Christians stopped trying to convert us and stopped telling us, in the words of my roommate , "I hope it's hot enoug in hell for you"

Though I have been known to revise that to my own purposes of :I hope you enjoy being reincarnated as a bug", but that's just spite talking.

Cheers.

 

[Imbolc]

Since wicca does not have a Bible, Quran, or even a handbook I am sure they are not told to love their enemies either. Hence they use the Bible to try and condemn us by using the ole hate tactic. They don't like it when we use the Bible to show any of the whys.

• Bide the Wiccan laws ye must in perfect love and perfect trust.
• Live and let live – fairly take and fairly give.
• Merry meet an merry part – bright the cheeks an warm the heart.

No it doesnt directly say "love your enemy" as, one must admit, that's not always the brightest plan; however, it does give a moral code to live by when interacting with others and I have yet to see a point of the Wiccan rede that tell me to go attack my enemy...

 

[PistGurl]

Hi MorningStar,

I can see why Havoc found his way here. He feels power in the masses .

Is it true that wicca is a make it up as you go religion??? If so the Boy Scouts would have more direction in their handbook.

God Bless!
SoulSearching

No, this is not true at all, we do not have a Bible, of course not, but we have the Wiccan Rede (which for those of you that say it is, it is NOT a lot of spells and rituals-it is our code, our law if you will.) This tells us how we should not harm any 'an it harm none, do as ye will' etc.

We do not 'make it up as we go along', we incorporate some things into our prayers that we feel is appropriate for what we are praying for, or create our own spells etc, to show the Goddess that we are using our creativity, and to honor her as we see is best.

This is the same as say using spontanious prayers, or visiting church on a tuesday morning, because you feel you should(even if that tuesday is nothing special ie shrove tuesday etc), this does not mean you make it up as you go along, simply that you do use your own initiative sometimes. No religion is completely set.

In answer to the original question, why do Wiccans hate Christians? We don't. Neither do most Christians hate Wiccans. Some people from these religions will hate one another, this is human, but is not all of us.

If a Christian posted something on here that I believed to be completely untrue(but wasn't anything specific to Christianity) I would post a reply, such as the one I am writing now, but this doesn't mean I hate the Christian I am speaking to, but means that I am saying the truth about my religion, so that more Christians have a real understanding of it. Of course I do not wish to convert them, or even change their views, as this is not right-you believe what you believe, but I will put my opinion up for those who wish to read.

Blessed Be xx

 

[PistGurl]

in the words of my roommate , "I hope it's hot enoug in hell for you"
Though I have been known to revise that to my own purposes of :I hope you enjoy being reincarnated as a bug", but that's just spite talking.

Cheers.

I agree, if someone believes you are doing wrong, they do not necessarily have to tell you everytime they see you, if at all, once is enough, you know what they think, they know what you think to that, that's all that needs to be said!

To judge someone according to their, and your own beliefs is one thing, to constantly tell these people that your beliefs outdo theirs and tell them what is going to happen to them according to your beliefs is wrong. You believe what you believe, someone telling you a few Bible quotes and saying you'll go to Hell, or stating the Wiccan Rede and saying you'll be reincarnated as something horrible will NOT change or sway the other person, if it does, then they did not truly believe in that in the first place and good luck to them in finding their own path.

Blessed Be xx

 

[Smilin]

I like your above post Smilin. It's nice to met you! I hope my boldness does not offend you.

God Bless!
SoulSearching

Nice to meet you too.
I hope if I bite back you don't get offended either...

 

[Smilin]

Smilin,

My Grandmother is not proud of her Indian heritage. She was made fun of by other kids. They called her the little squaw so she does not talk much about her heritage.

Typical, many of us know that feeling. However, I will never be shamed,
berated, or insulted ever again for who I am, what I believe, and what I
stand for. My Father is a fullblood, and discussing the ways of the
Cherokee was forbidden in his house. I know serve as a voice for
a people that once existed in peace and harmony, yet were scattered
or eradicated. It does not rule me, it simply guides me.

 

[Smilin]

Smilin,

Just when I thought we were making some progress. You went and threw unfounded insults. I know Havoc and I am not here to harrass him or anyone else. I am not here berate or look down on anyone. That's a shame since you don't even know me.

I'll admit that Havoc and I had some strong debates on 123Christian but through it all I could still tell him that I love him and mean it. I don't hate or have anyone that I would consider a enemy.

God Bless!
SoulSearching

My aplogies then concerning your conversations with Havoc. However,
you did lump myself, Rae, and SquareC (who is gone for now) into
your posts. Consider that you did not represent us farely.
Perhaps you should take some time to know some of the Wiccans/Pagans,
and then you will understand....

 

[Any Day Now]

why do wiccans hate christians? This is not onesided, remember the events 300 years ago that lead to many deaths of not only wiccans/pagans/occultists, but many non participants of these faiths.

Religion was created to divide and rule. By creating hate and fear, it makes the population more docile and easier to control; and brainwash. Christianity is recycled paganism and paganism is recycled again from many ancient religions. You can see this from the slaughtering of pagan holidays and festivals by replacing them with their own, most notably christmas and easter.

If you will take a minute to read what I have discovered I think youll find religion questionable if you choose to research further.

Ok, so we have Jesus, born 25th dec to a virgin mother, called the saviour died for our sins blah blah blah you know the rest, but here are the basis of 3 other older religions which are extremely interesting.

Krishna, son of god of India
Born to a virgin mother 25th december. A star marked his birthplace, angels and shepards attended him. The ruler slaughtered thousands of infants in order to destroy him but did not succeed. He went on to preform miricles and heal the sick. Died at the age of 30 and some traditions say he was crucified on a tree. He also rose from the dead and was known as Jezeus.

Dionysus son of Greece
Born to a virgin mother on dec 25th and put in a manger. He was a teacher who travelled preforming miricles. he turned water into wine. He was the ram, the lamb, only begotten son, annointed one. He was hung and crucified on a tree, but was resurected on march the 25th

Attis, son of god of Phrygia
Born dec 25th to a vigin mother . He was called the saviour and died to save humanity. He was crucified on a friday and his blood was spilled to redeem the earth. He was placed in a tomb, went to the underworld but was ressurected 3 days later. His body was symbolised by bread and eaten by those who worshipped him.

Just a coincidence? no. You can see this idea repeated in other forms of religion also.

 

[Carico]

Mylinkay, why did you come to a Christian forum if you don't like the fact that Christians want to convert you? You know that Jesus said He is the only way to God and that most christians will stand up for His words.

 

[Imbolc]

Mylinkay, why did you come to a Christian forum if you don't like the fact that Christians want to convert you? You know that Jesus said He is the only way to God and that most christians will stand up for His words.

Interest in a particular subject or wanting to be educated is into the same thing as wanting to be it. I go to eBay and have no intention of buying, I go to school though I have no intention of teaching. Coming to a Christian website has no implication that any of us Pagans, Wiccans et cetera would want to join your religion. Kind of like going to an Antisemetic website does that mean you hate them?

blessed be

 

[Nathan David]

[ etc.]

I don't see any bashing or hatred there. I see Havoc stating his beliefs. His beliefs are different from Christianity. That isn't "bashing" or hatred.

 

[PistGurl]

why do wiccans hate christians? This is not onesided, remember the events 300 years ago that lead to many deaths of not only wiccans/pagans/occultists, but many non participants of these faiths.

Religion was created to divide and rule. By creating hate and fear, it makes the population more docile and easier to control; and brainwash. Christianity is recycled paganism and paganism is recycled again from many ancient religions. You can see this from the slaughtering of pagan holidays and festivals by replacing them with their own, most notably christmas and easter.

If you will take a minute to read what I have discovered I think youll find religion questionable if you choose to research further.

Ok, so we have Jesus, born 25th dec to a virgin mother, called the saviour died for our sins blah blah blah you know the rest, but here are the basis of 3 other older religions which are extremely interesting.

Krishna, son of god of India
Born to a virgin mother 25th december. A star marked his birthplace, angels and shepards attended him. The ruler slaughtered thousands of infants in order to destroy him but did not succeed. He went on to preform miricles and heal the sick. Died at the age of 30 and some traditions say he was crucified on a tree. He also rose from the dead and was known as Jezeus.

Dionysus son of Greece
Born to a virgin mother on dec 25th and put in a manger. He was a teacher who travelled preforming miricles. he turned water into wine. He was the ram, the lamb, only begotten son, annointed one. He was hung and crucified on a tree, but was resurected on march the 25th

Attis, son of god of Phrygia
Born dec 25th to a vigin mother . He was called the saviour and died to save humanity. He was crucified on a friday and his blood was spilled to redeem the earth. He was placed in a tomb, went to the underworld but was ressurected 3 days later. His body was symbolised by bread and eaten by those who worshipped him.

Just a coincidence? no. You can see this idea repeated in other forms of religion also.

We know this isn't a one sided argument, this thread was created because of a similar one called 'why do Christians hate Wiccans?'

As an atheist, you're digging up some pretty good evidence that there was a messiah, and was probably called something like 'Jesus' who was killed to save us!!

Just a thought!

Also, the Dionysus you're speaking of , is he the God of Greek times? Because if so, you are wrong...

According to one myth, Dionysus is the son of the god Zeus and the mortal woman, Semele (daughter of Cadmus of Thebes). Semele is killed by Zeus' lightning bolts while Dionysus is still in her womb. Dionysus is rescued and undergoes a second birth from Zeus after developing in his thigh. Zeus then gives the infant to some nymphs to be raised. In another version, one with more explicit religious overtones, Dionysus, also referred to as Zagreus in this account, is the son of Zeus and Persephone, Queen of the Underworld. Hera gets the Titans to lure the infant with toys, and then they rip him to shreds eating everything but Zagreus' heart, which is saved by either Athena, Rhea, or Demeter. Zeus remakes his son from the heart and implants him in Semele who bears a new Dionysus Zagreus. Hence, as in the earlier account, Dionysus is called "twice born." The latter account formed a part of the Orphic religion's religious mythology.

In Greek mythology, there are no virgin births.

Blessed Be xx

 

[Rae]

Ah, another person who thinks it's okay to be insulting to anyone who disagrees with him! After this post, SoulSearching, you are hereby ignored, so don't bother trying to talk to me any more.

However, since I was silly enough to post to you, I will reply to the "questions" you put to me above. BTW, I am not now and never have been a Wiccan. I am a Pagan Witch, but I am not a Wiccan and do not hold to their Rede.

I said:No and no. I can't "disprove" other religions. I can show that some beliefs of other religions are harmful, certainly, and I can give my opinion of them as a non-believer in that religion. I do so regularly. Why not?

SS:Hello Rae, Why Not? Because you doing exactly what many wiccans accuse Christians of doing.
Rae: A. I'm not a Wiccan. Who bloody cares what they do? B. Wiccans are saying you Christians are claiming objective truth to your religion. I am not claiming objective truth for mine. So once again, you're wrong.

Rae previous:Not every path is Divine. Many paths lead people into hatred, bigotry, intolerance, etc. Would you say such a path is Divine? Neither would I. I would say most fundamentalisms fall under such a category...leading them into arrogance, hatred, and lies against anything different from themselves. They are not Divine. Just one example.

SS:From a Christian belief lies would be consider a sin but since wiccans and sin don't mix, how can that be your call???

Rae: Non-Christians have morals too, sweetie.

SS:By who's authority do you decide who's path is divine or harmful???

Rae:Mine. If you don't like it, don't do it, and don't insult me for being different than you.

SS:I don't understand why some wiccans are so judgmental.

Rae: Pot, you're black. The ONLY person I see as being judgemental here is you.

SS:Is it only divine if you agree with it???

Rae: That would be conservative Christians, hon, not me. They deny that anything is Divine if they disagree with it.

SS: Paths being divine is a wiccan belief, not my belief as a Christian.

Rae: So?

SS:Here is how it was explained to me in Jan. of 2003 by Havoc: Do you agree with his definition???

Havoc
My faith teaches that all paths lead to the Divine so whether you believe as I do or not is not relevant to me.

Rae: I believe, as I said above, that many people may believe they're on a path to the Divine, but are not, because their path only leads them to hatred of others who are different than they themselves.

Havoc: I believe every soul will ultimately reach the same destination.

Rae: I do not. I believe all souls will end up where they expect to, but those places are not the same.

Havoc: Those who make bad choices or choose to do harm will take a longer path and will not reach the end until they have learned. Those who make good choices and choose to heal will get to their destination sooner.
Rae: I agree with the above.

SS:With the second quote please explain to me how wiccans can challenge anyones choices good or bad??? The way I read/understand the above, paths do NOT have to be just about religious choices. Does this mean if someone choice is to kill/murder, rape, steal and so forth that those paths are also divine???
Rae: You're wrong. He was only referring to religious paths.

Originally Posted by: Rae http://www.christianforums.com/imag...ot-by-right.gifhttp://www.christianforums.com/imag...op-right-10.gifFor many of us, the Bible is the words of fallible humans only. We find "God" elsewhere
Any non-biased reader would see the above as my opinion only. I did not bash Christians (e.g. "you're so stupid to believe the Bible" was not in there...and don't you dare clip this quote to make it look like I said this, either!), try to convert anyone to my point of view, or anything else. Thanks for showing how balanced and fair I am in my comments.

Obvious attempt at slander and libel. Disgusting, SoulSearcher. Disgusting. Shame on you.

SS:Would you find it offensive if I was to say that wicca is a belief/religion founded by fallible humans only. With NO written proof and very few standards/go bys that are found in the Bible???
Rae: No. People say more ignorant and foolish things than that about my religion every day. They don't normally even do me the courtesy I did them, above, by stating it is only their opinion. They lie and say it's God's opinion as well.

SS:If you have a problem with what you said I suggest you talk to Nathan and the others who wanted proof/links.

Rae: You are the one who lied about what I said. You are the liar, the one with the problem, not Nathan or anyone else you'd like to pass the buck to.

SS:As far as any attempt on my part to slander and libel anyone that's just you way of getting your digs in and getting around breaking rule #1.
Rae: Good to see you "loving Christians" have no problems telling lies about me and libelling me as you choose. What a great way to witness for your religion!

SS:Rae I could have mentioned page 54 remember this "heartless faith like yours" a comment made by you concerning Christianity???
Rae: And the lies continue. I made that comment about someone whose faith WAS heartless....unless you truly think "Christianity" = murdering Pagans for not being Christian, I would think you'd agree that this person's faith is heartless, but I see your tactic now. Make "the opposition" look bad, even if it means lying and putting their words in a false light.

SS: Surely you don't think that 2 wrongs make a right.

Rae: No, but you do, so I'm done with you. Libel someone else from now on. I will pay you the attention you deserve...none.

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Soul Searching: I have not read this entire thread, but I have paid special attention to the quoted pieces you presented. I have just a few questions: What posts # are these from? Are they from the first few post of the thread? Or are they much later after the question they are answering (again) has been repeated 8 or 9 different times without the questioner accepting the answer that's been given (repeatedly)? That's a big issue. I have seen pagans get sarcastic and snippy, but it's usually after they've been... questioned repeatedly without the questioner heeding the answers that they keep requesting. Just a thought

 

[Carico]

Again, unbelievers know that Christians will try to bring them to God. If they don't want that, then stay away from Christians. Apparently, it must not bother them too much because they're still here. They have just as much of a desire to convince us that they are right or there's no point in debating. Why talk to brick walls unless you want the brick wall to crumble?

 

[revolutio]

Why talk to brick walls unless you want the brick wall to crumble?

Seeing as the brick wall can talk itself there are thousands of other reasons to talk with it. Why did you pick that one?

 

[PistGurl]

Why talk to brick walls unless you want the brick wall to crumble?

Yes, I don't understand why the wall would crumble if you spoke with it, I tried this and it didn't work!

Anyway, I can tell you had an idea in your mind, but couldn't find the right words to put down...I do this a lot. So as soon as you find the right phrase, edit your message, cos I know there are a few people here who are confused by it!

Blessed Be xx

 

[Miss Shelby]

To all Wiccans/theists of a flavor other than Christianity (et al)--

It is my understanding that you do not hate Christians, and I find that to be overwhelmingly convincing after reading this thread. But you should hate Christians and this is why....

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1499693#post1499693

This kind of horse manure is what gives Christians a bad name.

Michelle