Why Do Wiccans Hate Christians?

[Smilin]

Mylinkay, why did you come to a Christian forum if you don't like the fact that Christians want to convert you? You know that Jesus said He is the only way to God and that most christians will stand up for His words.

Carico, why do you bother entering the Non-Christian
Spirituality thread if you don't like the fact that
other religions exist other than Christianity.

Tsalagi, (The Cherokee), loosely translated to
English is 'The Chosen People'. They were conquered,
persecuted, and driven from their homelands such
as the Israelites. You probably don't know that
many Tsalagi traditionalists will tell you they are
the true chosen people and stand up for their claims.

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

It's been said time and time again, we come for discussion, not conversion.

 

[PistGurl]

Why would this make me hate a Christian?

The worst (according to my beliefs) post there was about the fact that someone thought someone might go to Hell, they explained their reasons why, with evidence, and also said that althought is may be true, that Hell in their opinion wasn't the firey pit it was made out to be, but simply an absence of the thing you didn't believe in anyway!

It seems to me that this is a balanced argumentt, with detail, explanations, and no hatred to other religious groups.

Why then would this be a reason to hate Christians?

Blessed Be xx

 

[Miss Shelby]

Why would this make me hate a Christian?

The worst (according to my beliefs) post there was about the fact that someone thought someone might go to Hell, they explained their reasons why, with evidence, and also said that althought is may be true, that Hell in their opinion wasn't the firey pit it was made out to be, but simply an absence of the thing you didn't believe in anyway!

It seems to me that this is a balanced argumentt, with detail, explanations, and no hatred to other religious groups.

Why then would this be a reason to hate Christians?

Blessed Be xx

You're a bigger person that I. I cannot conceal my disdain, when, for all intents puposes, a potential seeker of the faith of Christianity expresses fear and concern of being hellbound, and three out of 4 Christian surveyed tell her that she is.



Michelle

 

[Smilin]

It's been said time and time again, we come for discussion, not conversion.

and the all you care to eat buffet...

 

[SoulSearching]

Why would this make me hate a Christian?

The worst (according to my beliefs) post there was about the fact that someone thought someone might go to Hell, they explained their reasons why, with evidence, and also said that althought is may be true, that Hell in their opinion wasn't the firey pit it was made out to be, but simply an absence of the thing you didn't believe in anyway!

It seems to me that this is a balanced argumentt, with detail, explanations, and no hatred to other religious groups.

Why then would this be a reason to hate Christians?

Blessed Be xx

Hello PistGurl,

I've never told anyone that they will go to hell for any reason. I would be putting myself in God position if I do so??? Sure I believe in God's word and it teaches me that there's hope for all. For example a murdered today, forgiven by his grace tomorrow.

Anyone from any belief or religion can be hyocritical. By saying wiccans don't believe in sin but hold the past sins of others (The Burning Times) against Christians today is wrong. It gives some wiccans a reason to hate, to hold the Christian path against us today. That's judgmental of some wiccans and taking that stance makes their belief of all paths being divine void.

God Bless!
SoulSearching

 

[SoulSearching]

I don't see any bashing or hatred there. I see Havoc stating his beliefs. His beliefs are different from Christianity. That isn't "bashing" or hatred.

I really did not think that you would.

Thanks Anyway!
God Bless!
SoulSearching

 

[SoulSearching]

Soul Searching: I have not read this entire thread, but I have paid special attention to the quoted pieces you presented. I have just a few questions: What posts # are these from? Are they from the first few post of the thread? Or are they much later after the question they are answering (again) has been repeated 8 or 9 different times without the questioner accepting the answer that's been given (repeatedly)? That's a big issue. I have seen pagans get sarcastic and snippy, but it's usually after they've been... questioned repeatedly without the questioner heeding the answers that they keep requesting. Just a thought

Hello Mylinkay, The posts are from the 59 pages that I read under Why Do Christians Hate Wicca(Witchcraft)? Which I was not a poster. The thread was locked and I agree with that action. Good call by the moderator.

God Bless!
SoulSearching

 

[Smilin]

To all Wiccans/theists of a flavor other than Christianity (et al)--

It is my understanding that you do not hate Christians, and I find that to be overwhelmingly convincing after reading this thread.

Yaaayyyy Michelle,
While you're at it please educate everyone else on
numerous other facts. That is to say, we don't:
1. Sacrifice virgins
2. Drink goats blood
3. Stomp Kittens
4. Have orgies on all-hallows eve around a roaring bonfire
5. Juggle Human heads
6. Carry magic wands, and quote Harry Potter.

Your help in educating the misinformed is always
appreciated.

Your pal,
Smilin

 

[Miss Shelby]

Yaaayyyy Michelle,
While you're at it please educate everyone else on
numerous other facts. That is to say, we don't:
1. Sacrifice virgins
2. Drink goats blood
3. Stomp Kittens
4. Have orgies on all-hallows eve around a roaring bonfire
5. Juggle Human heads
6. Carry magic wands, and quote Harry Potter

Ya'll don't do that? Just when I was thinking of converting. Forget it now.

your sick pal,

Michelle

 

[SoulSearching]

why do wiccans hate christians? This is not onesided, remember the events 300 years ago that lead to many deaths of not only wiccans/pagans/occultists, but many non participants of these faiths.

Religion was created to divide and rule. By creating hate and fear, it makes the population more docile and easier to control; and brainwash. Christianity is recycled paganism and paganism is recycled again from many ancient religions. You can see this from the slaughtering of pagan holidays and festivals by replacing them with their own, most notably christmas and easter.

If you will take a minute to read what I have discovered I think youll find religion questionable if you choose to research further.

Ok, so we have Jesus, born 25th dec to a virgin mother, called the saviour died for our sins blah blah blah you know the rest, but here are the basis of 3 other older religions which are extremely interesting.

Krishna, son of god of India
Born to a virgin mother 25th december. A star marked his birthplace, angels and shepards attended him. The ruler slaughtered thousands of infants in order to destroy him but did not succeed. He went on to preform miricles and heal the sick. Died at the age of 30 and some traditions say he was crucified on a tree. He also rose from the dead and was known as Jezeus.

Dionysus son of Greece
Born to a virgin mother on dec 25th and put in a manger. He was a teacher who travelled preforming miricles. he turned water into wine. He was the ram, the lamb, only begotten son, annointed one. He was hung and crucified on a tree, but was resurected on march the 25th

Attis, son of god of Phrygia
Born dec 25th to a vigin mother . He was called the saviour and died to save humanity. He was crucified on a friday and his blood was spilled to redeem the earth. He was placed in a tomb, went to the underworld but was ressurected 3 days later. His body was symbolised by bread and eaten by those who worshipped him.

Just a coincidence? no. You can see this idea repeated in other forms of religion also.

Hello Any Day Now,

The Christian took from other Gods argument. Sorry but that's not true. Perhaps you need to do a timeline on Christianity to see which came 1st. Jesus was foretold before theses other deities. He was written about in the Old Testament. Who borrowed from whom???

Wicca was not even founded 300 years ago so how could they have been killed during the so called Burning Times???

I'll do another post concerning "The Burning Times".

God Bless!
SoulSearching

 

[Rae]

It is my understanding that you do not hate Christians, and I find that to be overwhelmingly convincing after reading this thread.

Thank you.

But you should hate Christians and this is why....

I would never hate every member of a group for the hateful members of her/his group unless that group is defined by hate alone. Even I, an ex-fundamentalist Christian who has some serious issues even with the most liberal brands of Christianity, would not hate all Christians because some have decided that for the horrible crime of seeing the feminine side of God, I'm going to be tortured forever.

Thanks for the invitation, though.

 

[SoulSearching]

http://wicca.timerift.net/burning.html

The Burning Times
or the More Persecuted than Thou Syndrome

The Burning Times is a Wiccan term referring to the witch persecutions in Europe during the late medieval and renaissance periods. According to the theory, Chirstian witch-hunters were in fact attempting to root out practitioners of older pagan religions. The stories of Satanic worship was simply a rouse to convince the masses of the necessity of putting these people down or, at best, the result of confusion and miscommunication. The fact that women were targetted almost exclusively is a result of the fact that these pagan religions held women in much higher esteem and were generally considered the caretakers of magical and divine knowledge.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not only is the myth of the Burning Times false, it's disrepectful to the real victims of the witch-persecutions who were at first heretics and then were generally Christians unfortunate enough to be swept up in a hysteria that swept half a continent. None of the victims were Wiccan - the religion did not exist at the time. Few, if any, had any knowledge of pagan religion. Worse, Wiccans have taken up such slogans as "Never forget, never again" (originally used by Jews in reference to the Holocaust) and spout hugely exaggerated numbers in an attempt to win the Most Persecuted Group in History Award.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]fBunny();Nine million lives were claimed by the Burning Times
[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This number originated with Matilda Gage in the 19th century and has been repeated time and time again in an example of how even good writers can repeat stupid things. We speak out about hysteria and about how fallacy becomes accepted as fact when it's repeated often enough, yet that is exactly what we're promoting. History writers put the numbers squarely between 40,000 and 100,000, based upon trial records and taking into consideration that not all records have survived or were even taken in the frist place. Is a "mere" 40,000 lives not tragical enough?[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is the heart of the More Persecuted than Thou Syndrome. If nine million of "us" were really killed, that puts us above even the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. And some people think that gives them permission to approach the rest of the world with a chip on their shoulder, because the world owes them something.[/font]

Those persecuted were Wiccans (or at least pagans), not worshippers of the Devil.
The Wiccan argument can simply be ended with the fact that Wicca didn't exist in the time of the witch-persecutions. So let's discuss instead the related argument that those persecuted were pagans, not worshippers of the Devil.
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I'm always astounded by the number of people who can't seem to comprehend that those persecuted could have been neither. We are willing to claim that pagans were being wrongly accused of worshipping Satan, but we can't accept that it was simply Christians who were being wrongly accused of worshipping Satan. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The witch-trials didn't begin until more than a millenia after the founding of Christianity. If the Church found these supposed pagans to be such a threat, they sure took their time in dealing with them. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The trials have their origins in the persecution of heresy that mostly just got way out of control, in large part because of the destabilzation Europe was suffering at the time. The Hundred Years War was killing people by the thousands, as was the Black Death. People needed a scapegoat, and that scapegoat became the mythical witch. The simple fact is in areas where things were more stable, especially on the religious front, the witch-hunts were far less hysterical. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]fBunny(); The persecutions targeted women.
[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yes, and no. Most of the victims were indeed women, and being a woman certainly made you a suspect. But that is not to say that the point of the persecutions was to destroy women. The point of the persecutions was to destroy witches, but there were reasons why they thought women were more likely to be witches than men, and the reasons extend far beyond simple misogyny. For more infomation, read the Women and Witchcraft and Witches and Saints.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And on a final historical note, stop talking about those poor witches burned at Salem. No one was burned at Salem. One was pressed to death; the rest were hung.[/font]

 

[Rae]

That is to say, we don't:
1. Sacrifice virgins
2. Drink goats blood
3. Stomp Kittens
4. Have orgies on all-hallows eve around a roaring bonfire
5. Juggle Human heads
6. Carry magic wands, and quote Harry Potter.

Jeez, it took me an entire semester to learn to juggle with small, hand-sized bean bags. Can you imagine how long it'd take if I had to learn with human heads? Man...though I confess I do occasionally use a magic wand and quote Harry Potter, but that's because I'm a book geek, not because I'm a Pagan. The Harry Potter part, anyway.

 

[Arikay]

Unfortunatly people take some of the persecutions a bit too far, However, the plain truth is, People were killed for being thought witches. They were killed by those who thought they were following the bible.
A sad event indeed, for all involved.

 

[SoulSearching]

Even through religioustolerance.org is not my favorite site because I feel they are bias this information needs to be shown: Their wording, I find very comical.

1. "We are not going to win many friends in the Neopagan communities ".

2. "Some of the victims worshiped Pagan deities, and thus could be considered to be indirectly linked to today's Neopagans. However most apparently did not".

3. "Some of the victims were midwives and native healers; however most were not".

4. And I bet this one really hurts "Most of the victims were tried executed by local, community courts, not by the Church ".

5. "Most of the deaths seem to have taken place in Western Europe in the times and areas where Protestant - Roman Catholic conflict". They have a hard time admitting that Christians were the majority of the victims NOT Pagans/Witches/Wiccans and so forth.

I have never seen any good come from creating victims to farther hate and persecution.

God Bless!
SoulSearching


http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn.htm

We are not going to win many friends in the Neopagan communities with the following essay. However, we believe it to be accurate. It is a story that needs to be told.
The facts are that almost all of the information that is generally accepted as truth by the Neopagan community about the "burning times" is wrong:

[font=arial,helvetica]The total number of victims was probably between 50,000 and 100,000 -- not 9 million as many believe.[/font][font=arial,helvetica]Although alleged witches were burned alive or hung over a five century interval -- from the 14th to the 18th century -- the vast majority were tried from 1550 to 1650. [/font][font=arial,helvetica]Some of the victims worshiped Pagan deities, and thus could be considered to be indirectly linked to today's Neopagans. However most apparently did not.[/font][font=arial,helvetica]Some of the victims were midwives and native healers; however most were not. [/font][font=arial,helvetica]Most of the victims were tried executed by local, community courts, not by the Church. [/font][font=arial,helvetica]A substantial minority of victims -- about 25% -- were male. [/font][font=arial,helvetica]Many countries in Europe largely escaped the burning times: Ireland executed only four "Witches;" Russia only ten. The craze affected mostly Switzerland, Germany and France. [/font][font=arial,helvetica]Eastern Orthodox countries had few Witch trials. "In parts of the Orthodox East, at least, witch hunts such as those experienced in other parts of Europe were unknown...."The Orthodox Church is strongly critical of sorcerers (among whom it includes palmists, fortune tellers and astrologers), but has not generally seen the remedy in accusations, trials and secular penalties, but rather in confession and repentance, and exorcism if necessary...." [/font][font=arial,helvetica]Most of the deaths seem to have taken place in Western Europe in the times and areas where Protestant - Roman Catholic conflict -- and thus social turmoil -- was at its maximum.[/font]

 

[Arikay]

And again, your right, most of the victims were their own people. Like the salem witch trails. Yet the fact still remains they killed them for being witches. So allthough not too many pagans were killed (well, in the famous persecution events), the hatred was still there.

 

[SoulSearching]

Unfortunatly people take some of the persecutions a bit too far, However, the plain truth is, People were killed for being thought witches. They were killed by those who thought they were following the bible.
A sad event indeed, for all involved.

Hello Arikay,

Not according to http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn.htm

Most of the victims were tried executed by local, community courts, not by the Church.

I do agree, it was a sad event for all involved.

God Bless!
SoulSearching

 

[Arikay]

and where did these community courts get the idea that witchcraft was a killable offense?

Hello Arikay,

Not according to http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn.htm

Most of the victims were tried executed by local, community courts, not by the Church.

I do agree, it was a sad event for all involved.

God Bless!
SoulSearching

 

[SoulSearching]

and where did these community courts get the idea that witchcraft was a killable offense?

Arikay please tell me where did the community courts come up with the ideal that witchcraft was a killable offense??? I await your answer.

God Bless!
SoulSearching