Why do we receive Grace

[Brightfame52]

@HIM

That is the truth in which we received. After receiving this truth if we are sinning willfully, presumptuously, (Num. 15:30) there remains no more sacrifice for sin

It is received by them for whom its for, and its a fact before they received it. All for whom Christ died are before they are born, sanctified and perfected forever. Though they sin,its not laid to their charge Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

The word impute means:

to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over

1. to take into account, to make an account of

 

[AbbaLove]

And He must provide the works-or else we'd have none that are worth anything.

“For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”

 

[AbbaLove]

It is received by them for whom its for, and its a fact before they received it. All for whom Christ died are before they are born, sanctified and perfected forever.

What scripture(s) do you use to support your theology "before they are born" of the underlined segment in bold ?

Though they sin,its not laid to their charge Rom 4:8

If then their past, present and future sins are already forgiven ... Is there then no need for repentance when sinning? Do you repent when you sin or don't you believe you sin being you were sanctified and perfected before you were born? Can we assume you consider yourself one of His chosen vessels ... "sanctified and perfected forever".

And those whom He predestined He also called, and those whom He called He also justified, and those whom He justified He also glorified. (Romans 8:30)​

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That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (i Corinthins 6:11)​

 

[Brightfame52]

@AbbaLove

What scripture(s) do you use to support your theology "before they are born" of the underlined segment in bold ?

Heb 10:10,14

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[HIM]

@HIM



It is received by them for whom its for, and its a fact before they received it. All for whom Christ died are before they are born, sanctified and perfected forever. Though they sin,its not laid to their charge Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

The word impute means:

to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over

1. to take into account, to make an account of

If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of this truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only judgement and fiery indignation for those who trodden underfoot the Son of God. And count the blood of the covenant as nothing and had do despite unto the Spirit of grace, It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Be not partakers with them.

 

[Brightfame52]

If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of this truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only judgement and fiery indignation for those who trodden underfoot the Son of God. And count the blood of the covenant as nothing and had do despite unto the Spirit of grace, It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Be not partakers with them.

Sorry but sin isn't imputed to the saved, its not charged to their account.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[HIM]

Sorry but sin isn't imputed to the saved, its not charged to their account.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

We can be sorry all we want. Because GOD SAID, If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of this truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only judgement and fiery indignation for those who trodden underfoot the Son of God. And count the blood of the covenant as nothing and had do despite unto the Spirit of grace, It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Be not partakers with them.

 

[Brightfame52]

We can be sorry all we want. Because GOD SAID, If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of this truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only judgement and fiery indignation for those who trodden underfoot the Son of God. And count the blood of the covenant as nothing and had do despite unto the Spirit of grace, It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Be not partakers with them.

Sorry but sin isn't imputed to the saved, its not charged to their account.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[AbbaLove]

If then their past, present and future sins are already forgiven ... Is there then no need for repentance when sinning?

For some reason B52 was unable to really answer this question? Maybe he doesn't believe repentance is needed IF he believes one's future sins are already forgiven. Future sins implies one can't STOP sinning.

Do you repent when you sin or don't you believe you sin anymore being you were sanctified and perfected before you were born?

For some reason B52 also chose not to answer the above question?

As God confimred to you that you were "sanctified and perfected forever" ... before they were born.

Please list scriptue that implies/reads that His chosen are sanctified and perfected forever before they were born. Just because it may be applied to Jeremiah, John the Baptist and of course Jesus ... can we conclude it applies to those like Paul that weren't yet washed in His blood having pursecuted Christians.

Is it B52s belief that Paul was sanctified (before becoming a Chritian), while he was persecuting Christians. According to seeker-sensitive interpretation of scripture you come across that Paul was washed and sanctified, while he was still an unbeliever persecuting followers of Christ Jesus.

In the following scripture (1 Corinthians 6:11) "some of you" were not yet washed, sanctified or justified

That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (i Corinthins 6:11)​

Are you by any chance a proponent of seeker-sensitive, hyper-grace Christianity? IOW tell seekers what they might prefer hearing instaed of what would better serve them?

Ephesians 2:10 reads “For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”​

 

[Brightfame52]

Because Grace had been given the elect in Christ Jesus before the world began, they were already saved in the Purpose of God from the condemnation they incurred in their fall/sin in Adam 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Thats why they also receive grace in time from Christ Jn 1:16

16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

We receive grace and apostleship for obedience of faith. Obedience which is through the faith of Christ Jesus into all and upon all that believe. This faith establishes the law. It is the Law derived of faith. We do because of who we now are in Christ, not because we have to, but because we want to. If the old man is crucified with Him that the Body of sin be destroyed. How can we who are dead to sin live any longer therein. We are risen with Christ and have become servants of righteousness. Therefore, The word is nigh unto us. In our hearts and mouths that we do it. That is the faith in which we preach. Which is the New Covenant

Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ INTO all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

I am a totally grace based believer. Some have said that someone who holds to exclusive grace can become lawless in his behaviour. Well, I am totally lawless, because I am under grace and not under law. I don't have to follow the Ten Commandments because I am not under those laws. I have the Holy Spirit dwelling in me, and therefore I live and walk in the Spirit who develops my sanctification through the power of the Spirit. It is the Spirit that causes me to hate sin and works in me to turn me way from the works of the flesh. It just happens because the Holy Spirit does it and not me. If it was me turning from the works of the flesh in my own strength, I would develop self-righteousness which are filthy rags in God's sight.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of this truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only judgement and fiery indignation for those who trodden underfoot the Son of God. And count the blood of the covenant as nothing and had do despite unto the Spirit of grace, It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Be not partakers with them.

I am totally forgiven of all sin and I have no fear of sinning willfully, because the indwelling Holy Spirit won't allow it. Those who continue to sin willfully have not received the gift of Jesus Christ as Saviour, and therefore have not received the gift of the Holy Spirit. The gift of Jesus is for the sinner, and the gift of the Holy Spirit is for the believer. My trust and dependence is totally on the grace of God.

Therefore, I refuse to accept the curse of fear that comes with your quote of that condemning Scripture and I bind it having any influence on me, in the Name of Jesus.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Sorry but sin isn't imputed to the saved, its not charged to their account.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Those who have received the grace of God are totally forgiven and cleansed from all sin and are living according to the righteousness of Christ.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

We can be sorry all we want. Because GOD SAID, If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of this truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only judgement and fiery indignation for those who trodden underfoot the Son of God. And count the blood of the covenant as nothing and had do despite unto the Spirit of grace, It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Be not partakers with them.

If you are afraid of falling into willful sin, then you might be trying to live according to faith and works. God has not given us a spirit of bondage to fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. Those who are genuinely converted to Christ have a foundation of love, the power of the Holy Spirit and a sound mind.

 

[Brightfame52]

Those who have received the grace of God are totally forgiven and cleansed from all sin and are living according to the righteousness of Christ.

Okay, you really believe that ? What's your righteousness before God ?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Okay, you really believe that ? What's your righteousness before God ?

It is the righteousness of Christ that was given to me as a free gift. "By grace I am saved through faith, not of myself, but is the gift of God, not of works lest any should boast." Also, "Jesus Christ became sin for me on the Cross that believing in Him, I become the righteousness of God in Christ." Therefore, according to my faith in the shed blood of Christ to take the penalty for my sin, I am totally righteous before God through the gift of the righteousness of Christ bestowed on me. Therefore I bear no guilt for cancelled sin, nor any shame for past sins, nor any fear of punishment for future sins.

 

[Brightfame52]

It is the righteousness of Christ that was given to me as a free gift. "By grace I am saved through faith, not of myself, but is the gift of God, not of works lest any should boast." Also, "Jesus Christ became sin for me on the Cross that believing in Him, I become the righteousness of God in Christ." Therefore, according to my faith in the shed blood of Christ to take the penalty for my sin, I am totally righteous before God through the gift of the righteousness of Christ bestowed on me. Therefore I bear no guilt for cancelled sin, nor any shame for past sins, nor any fear of punishment for future sins.

So was Christ Righteousness given to your account as a free gift before you became a believer and while you were yet ungodly ?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

So was Christ Righteousness given to your account as a free gift before you became a believer and while you were yet ungodly ?

The gift of Jesus as Saviour is for sinners. As part of receiving the gift of Christ, I received the righteousness of Christ that totally dealt with the sin question. Therefore the free gift of the Righteousness of Christ was part of the the gift of Jesus which I received when I believed the Gospel and received Him as Saviour.

 

[HIM]

The gift of Jesus as Saviour is for sinners. As part of receiving the gift of Christ, I received the righteousness of Christ that totally dealt with the sin question. Therefore the free gift of the Righteousness of Christ was part of the the gift of Jesus which I received when I believed the Gospel and received Him as Saviour.

Little children be not deceived he does righteous is righteous, even as He is righteous

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Little children be not deceived he does righteous is righteous, even as He is righteous

So, you are saying that personal righteousness comes through doing works?