Why do we need stored memories in the brain?

[awitch]

Were you an operator, programmer, or field engineer?

In college, I was a network admin for the campus.
First job out I was hired as a database admin but that expanded into sysadmin, netadmin, security, telephony, web development, and programming. I was basically responsible for everything that used electricity, including the coffee maker. Worked my way to IT Manager* before I left and was hired as IT Director (but it was a department of one so I did all the same work plus management).
Third job was a net and sys admin.
Fourth job was a service engineer, promoted to systems engineer and occasionally fill in as a project engineer.

*Was asked that question about where you see yourself in 5 years at the job interview. Made the joke about being behind his desk. It only took me 4.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Why do we need a brain?

Not sure, some on CF seem to do reasonsbly well without one.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Pseudoscience? Just philosophy?


Brain works like a radio receiver

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-06-spiritual-science-perspective-consciousness.html#:~:text=The brain does not produce,it into our own being.&text=However, this doesn't invalidate,receiver and transmitter of consciousness.

 

[cloudyday2]

RAM vs EPROM

Continuing with the computer analogy, maybe the physical brain is like a cache to provide quick and convenient access to our physical body, but the master copy is in the spiritual body?

Many mystical word views imagine that everything in the physical world is a projection of something more true in the spiritual world.

 

[AV1611VET]

So they will be resurrected out of hell for the judgement? Are you making this up as you go?

You decide.

In Christianity, the Great White Throne Judgment is the time when the dead people that did not live during the 1,000 years that Satan was inside the bottomless pit come back to life and are judged by God according to their works using the 66 books of the Bible.

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[AV1611VET]

Continuing with the computer analogy, maybe the physical brain is like a cache to provide quick and convenient access to our physical body, but the master copy is in the spiritual body?

Many mystical word views imagine that everything in the physical world is a projection of something more true in the spiritual world.

EPROM sounds like what they called "firmware," that was used to IPL (boot up) the old mainframe computers.

 

[A_Thinker]

If the spirit survives the death of the body and has recollection of personality and memory, why do we need a physical brain to store memory?

The brain does a lot more than house the spirit. The brain controls everything that goes on in your body (heatbeat, breathing, digestion, etc.).

 

[awitch]

EPROM sounds like what they called "firmware," that was used to IPL (boot up) the old mainframe computers.

The EPROM is the erasable programmable read only memory; the physical chip.

The firmware is the program stored in the chip. It provides instructions on how the hardware communicates.

 

[awitch]

Pseudoscience? Just philosophy?

I think I read too much into the points you listed before.
Neurocardiology appears to be a thing. But it doesn't support he idea that there is anything spiritual about the organs.

 

[AV1611VET]

The EPROM is the erasable programmable read only memory; the physical chip.

The firmware is the program stored in the chip. It provides instructions on how the hardware communicates.

Thank you.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I think I read too much into the points you listed before.
Neurocardiology appears to be a thing. But it doesn't support he idea that there is anything spiritual about the organs.

I would agree accept that we do know all matter has a quantum level and anything deeper than that is currently unknowable, indeterminable. Even if we can pinpoint memories to neurons and even microtubules we still do not know how they work. We still have the hard problem. How does matter think?

In my view it is all spiritual, ultra quantum, beyond anything we can see and measure, which is for us, a horizon.

 

[Jamdoc]

Continuing with the computer analogy, maybe the physical brain is like a cache to provide quick and convenient access to our physical body, but the master copy is in the spiritual body?

Many mystical word views imagine that everything in the physical world is a projection of something more true in the spiritual world.

the brain is really the motherboard, containing the RAM, the CPU, the GPU, any sound processor and other boards directly attached to it, the nerves being the chipset that feeds all of it into the CPU.
The heart is the power supply, the eyes a camera, the ears a microphone, the mouth the speakers, the face/countenance like a monitor, the hands like a printer, and the lungs like the cooling system

Thinking/feeling and processing sensory data and coordinating our "peripherals" and memory all take place in the brain, just as all those functions plug into the motherboard.

 

[public hermit]

You decide.


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Wiki is not going to convince me you have an argument. You're going to have to make your argument explicit. At any rate, I'm still not seeing your point. But maybe it's me. In the OT, death and Hades are synonymous terms. Everyone dies and everyone goes to Hades (assuming the Septuagint translation for Sheol). Whatever the case, neither Hades nor Sheol are Hell. Those three terms are not synonymous

"11 Then I saw a Great White Throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and the heavens fled away from His presence, and there was no place found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne, and the books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the Book of Life, and the dead were judged according to their works, which are the things recorded inside the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead which were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them: and they were each judged according to their works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death. 15 Anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the Lake of Fire." Rev. 20:11-15

There is nothing in that passage that precludes my position, which is that all die (i.e. sleep) and are raised to judgment. It is clear (per Rev. 20:11-15) that all the dead (in Christ or not) are raised and then the Great White Throne. That is why the Book of Life is opened at that time, because it is then that the "saved" are saved. Post-judgment is Hell for those not found therein, according to your primary source: Rev. 20:15. So Hell is post-GWT.

Unfortunately, not much of that really has anything to do with the very speculative point I was trying to make. All I was trying to do was speculate, pace the OP, if we are never disembodied souls, but resurrected, then perhaps the our sense of personal perdurance/memory is wholly contingent on our bodies (pre- or -post resurrection). So, the question as to why we need a brain if disembodied souls loses its intuitive force (for the Christian who holds to the resurrection). It wasn't a great point, but it was what I had.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The heart is the power supply

More like the stomach and lungs are the power supply or transformer. And again, like AI, no person, no soul.

 

[cloudyday2]

EPROM sounds like what they called "firmware," that was used to IPL (boot up) the old mainframe computers.

I had never heard the term IPL (initial program load). It makes more sense than boot-up to me.

 

[cloudyday2]

the brain is really the motherboard, containing the RAM, the CPU, the GPU, any sound processor and other boards directly attached to it, the nerves being the chipset that feeds all of it into the CPU.
The heart is the power supply, the eyes a camera, the ears a microphone, the mouth the speakers, the face/countenance like a monitor, the hands like a printer, and the lungs like the cooling system

Thinking/feeling and processing sensory data and coordinating our "peripherals" and memory all take place in the brain, just as all those functions plug into the motherboard.

I have been reading about the bacteria in our guts, and apparently a lot of thinking actually happens in our guts too.

 

[AV1611VET]

I had never heard the term IPL (initial program load). It makes more sense than boot-up to me.

It was a bear though! If I remember right, you had to type in the date and time and do this and that as the computer slowly came up. One mistake and you start over.

 

[Jok]

If the spirit survives the death of the body and has recollection of personality and memory, why do we need a physical brain to store memory?

It’s a sort of yes snd no reply, our spirit cannot function without our body, however we have no idea what kind of future arrangement the spirit might be given after the death of this body. Meaning that we have no idea how memory transfer might work.

 

[eleos1954]

If the spirit survives the death of the body and has recollection of personality and memory, why do we need a physical brain to store memory?

It is the control center of intelligence and conciseness .... I don't believe in a immortal "soul" ... but ... the Lord has records of everyone's lives and has a way of "reformatting" our brains "hard drive" (so to speak). He does that now through the Holy Spirit helping us to change our thinking ... but ... when He returns and the saved are resurrected and changed ... then I don't think we will have memory of our sins? don't know if there is scripture on this? Our bodies aren't who we are ... our bodies is the container of who we are.

 

[Jamdoc]

More like the stomach and lungs are the power supply or transformer. And again, like AI, no person, no soul.

The heart is what supplies power to the rest of the body, if anything the digestive system is the power cord going into the outlet that supplies the power supply.
If you can transplant a heart and still wake up the same person, it's not where the soul, or spirit, or consciousness, or personhood are from.
You can't transplant a brain.