Why do we need stored memories in the brain?

[Sorn]

Man is a tripartite: body, soul, spirit.

Body = soma = feeds on food

Soul = psyche = feeds on emotions

Spirit = pneuma = feeds on things of God

This doesn't answer the question.

 

[Sorn]

You're just making things up.



I have a degree in computer science and worked in IT for 25 years. Your analogy is nonsensical.
There are countless functional differences between two instances of the same OS.

He did say "reload your software onto it", you assumed that meant loading non-operating s/w onto the OS already on the drive, in which case the point you make has validity.
However, if the "reload your software onto it" meant putting a disk image you had saved onto the new harddrive, easy to do these days, then the same OS and s/w is what gets put onto the hard drive.
It will be the same 'logical machine' when it boots up.

 

[Sorn]

They are in Hell as we speak.

That means they are dead, not asleep.

You need to clarify what you mean by 'dead' and 'in hell'.
Are they (conscious AND in a place called Hell) or are they not?

 

[Sorn]

The heart is what supplies power to the rest of the body, if anything the digestive system is the power cord going into the outlet that supplies the power supply.
If you can transplant a heart and still wake up the same person, it's not where the soul, or spirit, or consciousness, or personhood are from.
You can't transplant a brain.

Transplanting a brain is an engineering problem, its only a matter of time before it will be possible.
Probably the hardest part about it is to correctly connect all the nerves from the brain to the new body. Once that is solved brain transplants, from a physical standpoint, will be possible.

 

[BobRyan]

It seems to be a backup for the heart.

(CLV) Hb 10:16
"`This is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with them after those days,' the Lord is saying, `imparting My laws to their hearts, I shall be inscribing them on their comprehension also,

well lets not carry that symbol too far... after all I think it can be shown that "heart" is not actually the word there in Hebrew Jer 31:31-34

H3820 - leb - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (KJV)

 

[Jamdoc]

Transplanting a brain is an engineering problem, its only a matter of time before it will be possible.
Probably the hardest part about it is to correctly connect all the nerves from the brain to the new body. Once that is solved brain transplants, from a physical standpoint, will be possible.

if you transplant someone else's brain into your body, YOU will not wake up from the operation. You will be dead.
It is the donor that would be the survivor of the operation.
It's not a brain transplant it's a body transplant.

 

[Sorn]

If the spirit survives the death of the body and has recollection of personality and memory, why do we need a physical brain to store memory?

We know next to nothing really about the spirit or the soul.
Without knowing what a soul / spirit is all we can do is speculate of course.
If souls/spirit (for clarity here this means your 'ghost', ie the 'you' that continues after death) exist then 1 other question that can be asked is when does this soul get created and how?
The common assumption is that its there from the start of your life, probably created by God or some automatic spiritual process. However what if you currently don't have a soul, what if the soul doesn't actually get created (how doesn't matter, ie God or auto-spiritual process) until the moment you die?

What if you don't actually need a soul to exist as you do now (ie you are a completely physical being) but at the moment you die (no matter how you die) a soul is created in order to preserve the essential you, your memories, experiences, personality, ie to preserve and maintain the information that is you. Then, you exist in soul form (in some special region of Heaven or Hell) until the resurrection. As you exist in soul form, it would be a dynamic existence so you would add to your memories, experiences etc. If you're saved, you have a joyous experiences and hang out with other saved as well. If not saved then you have a horrible time, not helped one bit by others being in the same boat as you.

 

[Sorn]

if you transplant someone else's brain into your body, YOU will not wake up from the operation. You will be dead.
It is the donor that would be the survivor of the operation.
It's not a brain transplant it's a body transplant.

Thats semantics, I identify more with my memories and experiences than my current body.
As long as i knew what was happening and agreed to it, if I woke up tomorrow and my brain was in another body, after a successful transplant, it would still be me 'Sorn' thinking and acting but through a different body. I would be the same person, just a different physical appearance, no more than if i change my hair color today.

PS, i did say transplant brain, not body, implying the brain is what was kept alive.

 

[Jok]

if you transplant someone else's brain into your body, YOU will not wake up from the operation. You will be dead.
It is the donor that would be the survivor of the operation.
It's not a brain transplant it's a body transplant.

I feel like I have seen this movie/show a very long time ago but I can’t put my finger on it! Maybe a Tales From The Dark Side episode.

Transplanting a brain is an engineering problem, its only a matter of time before it will be possible.
Probably the hardest part about it is to correctly connect all the nerves from the brain to the new body. Once that is solved brain transplants, from a physical standpoint, will be possible.

Maybe, but I have my doubts. If I had to make a wager on it I would bet that a brain wouldn’t survive full separation from its entire body like that, and the person would never come to. Of course what do I know about brain anatomy lol but it seems like you would be disconnecting too many things for a person to survive.

 

[Jamdoc]

Thats semantics, I identify more with my memories and experiences than my current body.
As long as i knew what was happening and agreed to it, if I woke up tomorrow and my brain was in another body, after a successful transplant, it would still be me 'Sorn' thinking and acting but through a different body. I would be the same person, just a different physical appearance, no more than if i change my hair color today.

PS, i did say transplant brain, not body, implying the brain is what was kept alive.

Well, usually when we're talking about a transplant we're talking about a donor body part going into a recipient body so that the recipient survives. In the case of a "brain transplant" the donor would survive and the recipient would die, same thing with a "head transplant" the being who the recipient body belongs to dies, and the being who the donor head belongs to survives... ... ... briefly.
It's not a very successful transplant, the successes are often measured in seconds after regaining consciousness.
anyway, the brain is the one organ where you can't just transplant it and wake up still you in your body with a new part.

 

[Jamdoc]

I feel like I have seen this movie/show a very long time ago but I can’t put my finger on it! Maybe a Tales From The Dark Side episode.

Maybe, but I have my doubts. If I had to make a wager on it I would bet that a brain wouldn’t survive full separation from its entire body like that, and the person would never come to. Of course what do I know about brain anatomy lol but it seems like you would be disconnecting too many things for a person to survive.

Brain they've never even attempted but they have transplanted animal heads and they've regained consciousness but they die very quickly after.
maybe just shock from the animal regaining consciousness with a body thats not its own.

IMO head and brain transplants would be crossing a line I think God would never intend us to take, like cloning, gene splicing/CRISPR in humans, etc.
That's one of the reasons I'd believe we're in the last of the last days. if we're verging on editing the human genome and maybe that's one interpretation of "the days of Noah", if you interpret nephelim/giants as being something other than standard human stock.
It'd certainly be abominable to do, to take something made in God's image and then defile it by making it NOT in God's image.

 

[Sorn]

Well, usually when we're talking about a transplant we're talking about a donor body part going into a recipient body so that the recipient survives. In the case of a "brain transplant" the donor would survive and the recipient would die, same thing with a "head transplant" the being who the recipient body belongs to dies, and the being who the donor head belongs to survives... ... ... briefly.
It's not a very successful transplant, the successes are often measured in seconds after regaining consciousness.
anyway, the brain is the one organ where you can't just transplant it and wake up still you in your body with a new part.

Sadly, you have completely missed the point entirely twice. I guess i have to spell it out for you.
OBVIOUSLY i meant the brain of the person who is to survive goes into a body that formerly had a brain that did not survive. Or maybe the body is a body grown in a lab. Clearly, and again, obviously, but yet i have to spell it out, it will be your brain in another body, so you do not wake up in your body, unless it was a lab grown clone of your body. Even so, if you survive the operation you will eventually come to identify that new body as your body.

Just because it hasn't worked yet doesn't mean it won't at some future point should research into this area continue. Saying it can't be done is just making assumptions. Given what God allows to happen in this world He is not going to step in and stop a successful brain transplant operation.
The failures so far in animals are for some other as yet unknown, non-supernatural reason.

 

[AV1611VET]

You need to clarify what you mean by 'dead' and 'in hell'.
Are they (conscious AND in a place called Hell) or are they not?

Read Luke 16.

 

[Sorn]

Read Luke 16.

Luke 16 has parables in it, not sure they should be taken literally.
In any case I think its safe to say you are of the opinion that people are conscious in a real place called Hell when they die if not saved.

 

[AV1611VET]

Luke 16 has parables in it, not sure they should be taken literally.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is not considered a parable.

But even if it was, the parables were not "just stories," but real events that happened.

In any case I think its safe to say you are of the opinion that people are conscious in a real place called Hell when they die if not saved.

You are correct.

 

[cloudyday2]

It was a bear though! If I remember right, you had to type in the date and time and do this and that as the computer slowly came up. One mistake and you start over.

That was when humans were the bosses and computers were the slaves. Now computers are becoming the bosses and humans are becoming the slaves. Before long the computers won't need us. Knowledge will be increasing too rapidly for any human brain to understand and contribute to the process, so the computers will probably create nature preserves with humans in a hunter gatherer state or possibly just eliminate us entirely.

 

[awitch]

He did say "reload your software onto it", you assumed that meant loading non-operating s/w onto the OS already on the drive, in which case the point you make has validity.
However, if the "reload your software onto it" meant putting a disk image you had saved onto the new harddrive, easy to do these days, then the same OS and s/w is what gets put onto the hard drive.
It will be the same 'logical machine' when it boots up.

Then souls are clonable.

 

[AV1611VET]

That was when humans were the bosses and computers were the slaves. Now computers are becoming the bosses and humans are becoming the slaves. Before long the computers won't need us. Knowledge will be increasing too rapidly for any human brain to understand and contribute to the process, so the computers will probably create nature preserves with humans in a hunter gatherer state or possibly just eliminate us entirely.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then souls are clonable.

Er ... no.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

How about we just stick with memory. Assuming something of us survives death, a spirit and that spirit retains memories. What makes a little sense to me is that spirit is already the deeper par of who we are. In fact it sustains the body with its life principle. The brain, in addition to running the body, is the point of interface with the soul. This gives us access to our spiritual nature including memories. So the hippocampus has a transcendent function. We can identify areas on it associated with memory storage. Area that link us to the soul which transcends time and space.