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Unlike early churches, we are blessed with bibles, software, real time internet chat so we can learn and discuss what we learn. We have every denomination on CF, not just one like at church on Sunday. How can a Sunday sermon compete with that?
There is much that could be done and undertaken if the group was on one accord.
I think your point is a valid one. Being exposed to the un-unified part of Christianity will not only expand our own understanding of division but we can come together in Christ to bridge some of those divisions.Unlike early churches, we are blessed with bibles, software, real time internet chat so we can learn and discuss what we learn. We have every denomination on CF, not just one like at church on Sunday. How can a Sunday sermon compete with that?
Where there is money to be made, people will do what they can to make money off of any good thing. If you have just small house churches having little money, no paid positions and the threat of persecution of the leadership, you have no “denominations” (like we see with the unregistered church in China), but if you can combine some of these house churches to the point together they can afford paid positions, with no threat of persecution, than you need to distinguish yourself from the others and get money.Why do we need any one denomination? We have the apostle's teaching, and CF for discussion, also computers and bible software. As Paul said, all things are ours.
Denominations are a violation of the plainly stated will of Jesus Christ concerning His followers. Jesus founded ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE, and promised that ONE Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". He wanted us to have a single authoritative source of truth that would enable us to remain united as His followers.
Jesus founded ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE
Hello and God bless. Just curious what you mean when you say “born of water”?All Christians (i.e., sinners saved, believers, those born of water and the Spirit) are "in Christ"; therefore they are all one with the Father, and one with each other as well. Notice carefully what Christ says in John 17:22-23: "[I pray] that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity."
The basis of that unity is not a denominational affiliation; it is our position in Christ.
Denomination means to make a name. This is carnal as we read in 1 Cor 1 and other places. We also see some making a name in the story of the Tower of Babel. Mystery Babylon may have some connection to this. Babel is confusion and a house divided against itself won’t stand.Why do we need any one denomination? We have the apostle's teaching, and CF for discussion, also computers and bible software. As Paul said, all things are ours.
Denomination means to make a name.
Well, most believers down through the centuries were arguably illiterate, let alone lacking in computers and bible software. And going by Scripture alone there are major disagreements on the apostle's teachings. And it's very difficult to believe that God would leave us without a means to sort this out, to know and have a unity of the faith, with "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5). And only an entity, the church He established at the beginning, would be able to carry out such a duty.Why do we need any one denomination? We have the apostle's teaching, and CF for discussion, also computers and bible software. As Paul said, all things are ours.
And only an entity, the church He established at the beginning, would be able to carry that out.
Yes, as a part of the whole. There's only one church, and Christ definitely established it, with a purpose. Orthodox & Catholic, with their origins dating to the beginning, share the same basic gospel, whereas that gospel is generally diverged from significantly when going by Scripture alone.Oh, you mean the Orthodox church?
Because either we have denominations, or we are two billion people where no two have anything in common, or we all become Orthodox.
What you've done is convert an expressed desire on the part of Christ that his followers be of one mind into a command or a prophesy. It is neither. And then you have selected, on your own, one means by which you assume, incorrectly, that that might be achieved. There is no denomination, not even yours, in which all the members are united in belief.Well, most believers down through the centuries were arguably illiterate, let alone lacking in computers and bible software. And going by Scripture alone there are major disagreements on the apostle's teachings. And it's very difficult to believe that God would leave us without a means to sort this out, to know and have a unity of the faith, with "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5). And only an entity, the church He established at the beginning, would be able to carry out such a duty.
whereas that gospel is generally diverged from significantly when going by Scripture alone.
How could you possibly think it has anything to do with what individual members believe? The unity of faith is within the teachings of the Church. And Sola Scriptura has proven itself unable to produce and maintain such unity, on its own. So then, we either have denominations raising their hands and saying "Hey, we, exclusively, have the correct understanding of the gospel based on our interpretation, or we look for a church that was simply established at the beginning that received and carried on the faith intact, with both its lived experienced (Tradition) and it's written word (Scripture) supporting that faith. Or we throw up our hands altogether and fall back to, "Well, unity of faith doesn't really matter that much."What you've done is convert an expressed desire on the part of Christ that his followers be of one mind into a command or a prophesy. It is neither. And then you have selected, on your own, one means by which you assume, incorrectly, that that might be achieved. There is no denomination, not even yours, in which all the members are united in belief.
Of course not. I'm saying that where sincere denominations and individuals disagree on the meaning of Scripture, using Scripture as the norm only ensures them that their interpretation is the correct one, and doesn't provide unity of the faith. And, BTW, the church agrees in her teachings that our understand of Scripture must be in "harmony with the intent of these writings." An intent which is known in part by the continuous historical understanding and practice of the church.So you're saying that the gospel taught in Catholic churches has elements that don't exist in Scripture?
“…we are not entitled to such license, namely, of affirming whatever we please. For we make Sacred Scripture the rule and the norm of every doctrine. Upon that we are obliged to fix our eyes, and we approve only whatever can be brought into harmony with the intent of these writings.” -- Gregory of Nyssa
That's exactly what it means.How could you possibly think it has anything to do with what individual members believe?
If you want to say that, but it still is people believing it that is the object of the statement.The unity of faith is within the teachings of the Church.
Assuming (incorrectly) that such is the meaning of Sola Scriptura or its purpose, your alternative, Tradition, has produced just as much disunity -- or arguably more disunity -- than Sola Scriptura.And Sola Scriptura has proven itself unable to produce and maintain such unity
Almost none of that is accurate. It is mainly a recitation of what you would LIKE the situation to be...but is not.So then, we either have denominations raising their hands and saying "Hey, we, exclusively, have the correct understanding of the gospel based on our interpretation, or we look for a church that was simply established at the beginning that received and carried on the faith intact, with both its lived experienced (Tradition) and it's written word (Scripture) supporting that faith. Or we throw up our hands altogether and fall back to, "Well, unity of faith doesn't really matter that much."
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