Why do we look so much like apes?

[Incariol]

Stupid remark to a retired biology teacher. Good grief.

It doesn't make much difference if you claim to be a biology teacher, ignorance of the fact that humans are taxonomically apes is as sad coming from a retired biology teacher as anyone else.

Nope, that doesn't do it and it isn't what I asked for. I didn't ask for some not-so-clever chart makers imagination. I asked for direct genetic information that reveals the formula for the transformation.

Actually, you said:

"Now, tell the readers what the genetic connection is between apes and man. Give us the formula of that connection and just how it happened in technical biological terms. Since we can do that as it regards lions & tigers, horses & donkeys, etc. it should be easy for you."

Which is utter nonsense because "ape" is just a category including humans. You want me to show a link betweens humans and humans? Ok.

Homo sapiens (ID 51) - Genome - NCBI

Have fun.

For instance: horses with donkeys = mules (a hybrid by the way)

Horses - 32 pairs of chromosomes
donkeys 31 pairs of chromosomes

You do realize humans are apes, right?

They can mate but the offspring cannot reproduce.

So give the gentic reason why humans cannot mate with apes & produce successful offspring which can likewise reproduce a viable offspring which can reproduce.

Explain it as easily as this:

This person has downs syndrome because of chromosome 21. Easily understood and easily explainable. So do the same with humans as it applies with the necessary genetics to reproduce an ape-type-human. Better yet, explain the genetic formula that led to the division between man and ape at the time when they diverged from the so-called common ancestor.

Now you quit playing games with me and give a direct, factual answer. no more artwork or imaginatory charts.

Good luck.

You taught biology and you can't comprehend the sentence: "Humans are apes"? I'm going to disregard your employment claim. There aren't any biology teachers at any level who confuse something so basic as if humans and apes are divergent lineages.

 

[Kirkwhisper]

And let me take this a step further:

Give us the genetic reasons WHY that after scientists attempted to reproduce 50,000 generations of flies the results were, (guess what?)...

flies? Was there even one species among the variety of different organisms that they classified identifiably as a non-fly? Nope.

Now explain to the readers the genetic reasons why.

(Hint: Mendel knew). Quote:
Success of transformation experiments led
Gartner to disagree with those scientists
who contest the stability of plant species
and assume continuous evolution of plant
forms. In the complete transformation of
one species into another he finds unequivocal
proof that a species has fixed limits beyond which it cannot change.

http://www.somosbacteriasyvirus.com/mendel.pdf

 

[Kirkwhisper]

It doesn't make much difference if you claim to be a biology teacher, ignorance of the fact that humans are taxonomically apes is as sad coming from a retired biology teacher as anyone else.

If you make another smart-alec comment like that I will remove you from serious consideration in this discussion.

Actually, you said:

"Now, tell the readers what the genetic connection is between apes and man. Give us the formula of that connection and just how it happened in technical biological terms. Since we can do that as it regards lions & tigers, horses & donkeys, etc. it should be easy for you."

Which is utter nonsense because "ape" is just a category including humans. You want me to show a link betweens humans and humans? Ok.

Homo sapiens (ID 51) - Genome - NCBI

Which is an admission that you can't do it and you don't know what you're talking about. You are deliberately dodging the issue because you cannot give the evidence of a real genetic connection between man and any kind of ape...past or present.

You do realize humans are apes, right?

You do realize that you have rejected God's holy Word, don't you? I am talking specifically about what I quoted above to another poster (Gen. 1:26-27 & Gen. 5:3).

You are lost, fella.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I gave scripture above proving that God appears as a man. I feel no obligation to 'explain' why He might appear in other ways at other times. What difference does it make if He appears as man......or as an eagle or the blowing wind through the trees if He so chooses?

So it's your contention that God is a effectively an invisible human being in the sky with arms, hands, legs, hair, toenails and nose hairs?

That sounds like Zeus, not YHVH.

Let's not confuse theophanies with the ineffable and infinite Essence of the Living God who has no form or shape.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Kirkwhisper]

So it's your contention that God is a effectively an invisible human being in the sky with arms, hands, legs, hair, toenails and nose hairs?

That sounds like Zeus, not YHVH.

Let's not confuse theophanies with the ineffable and infinite Essence of the Living God who has no form or shape.

-CryptoLutheran

You said to me earlier: "Comments like this demonstrate disinterest in any actual conversation."

Apologize for this untruthful statement and I will take the time to give you a direct answer. Had you been reading my posts then you would have seen that you were not accurate and also you would have seen that I already answered this question before.

Now, please show me that you care and apologize.

 

[Incariol]

If you make another smart-alec comment like that I am going to kick you out of this discussion so fast your nose will bleed from friction. Translate: you will be ignored totally.

I'm sorry for explaining why an appeal to authority isn't a valid form of argument, Mr. Kirkwhisper. You do understand that you actually can't kick me out of a discussion, right? Just concede and pretend I'm not there? It's usually the last resort of posters trying to pretend that their argument wasn't just shredded.

"Now, tell the readers what the genetic connection is between apes and man. Give us the formula of that connection and just how it happened in technical biological terms. Since we can do that as it regards lions & tigers, horses & donkeys, etc. it should be easy for you."


Which is an admission that you can't do it and you don't know what you're talking about. You are deliberately dodging the issue because you cannot give the evidence of a real genetic connection between man and any kind of ape...past or present.

I've already done it, if you had any background in biology you'd understand basic concepts like nested cladistics, taxonomy and that the only logical answer to your request was the human genome. Humans are apes, your continual demands for evidence of a connection between humans and apes, and the common ancestor of human and apes only serves to expose your ignorance of basic biology... you know, the biology you claimed to have taught for a living.

You do realize that you have rejected God's holy Word, don't you? I am talking specifically about what I quoted above to another poster (Gen. 1:26-27 & Gen. 5:3).

You are lost, fella.

1. God's Word is Jesus, not the Bible.
2. I've hardly rejected the Bible, I believe in it completely.

 

[Kirkwhisper]

I'm sorry for explaining why an appeal to authority isn't a valid form of argument, Mr. Kirkwhisper. You do understand that you actually can't kick me out of a discussion, right?

Oh, yes, but I can and I just did. In case you unaware there is this control panel on this board that has the word 'ignore'. All one needs do is click it.

I've already done it, if you had any background in biology you'd understand basic concepts like nested cladistics, taxonomy and that the only logical answer to your request was the human genome.

No, you did not. You only gave me some cheap chart that confirms your prejudices based on human designations and classifications. Since when did they become infallible? Since when did YOU become infallible?

Humans are apes, your continual demands for evidence of a connection between humans and apes, and the common ancestor of human and apes only serves to expose your ignorance of basic biology... (that's a joke right?)... you know, the biology you claimed to have taught for a living.

When you stand before God in that great and coming day you will be humming a different tune. But you won't argue with Him.

Bye.

click: ignore.

 

[Incariol]

Oh, yes, but I can and I just did. In case you unaware there is this control panel on this board that has the word 'ignore'. All one needs do is click it.

It doesn't mean I've left the discussion, it means having me disagree with you was too much, and are going to pretend my posts don't exist, which just undermines you own credibility.

No, you did not. You only gave me some cheap chart that confirms your prejudices based on human designations and classifications. Since when did they become infallible? Since when did YOU become infallible?

That's called "science". If you don't want to talk about it, nobody is forcing you to do so, but that is what this entire subforum is about. "Ape" and "human" are both scientific terms, and if you want to about them, you'll be discussing science. Sorry.

When you stand before God in that great and coming day you will be humming a different tune. But you won't argue with Him.

Bye.

click: ignore.

Do people who ignore posters with a parting shot of "HAHA but you'll agree with me when YOU'RE BURNING IN HELL!!!" ever think about how they look to other people?

 

[Kirkwhisper]

Neither, God doesn't have a physical image apart from that of Christ

Like you usually do you dodged the issue.

Which of the two pictures above represents what God created IN HIS LIKENESS & AFTER HIS IMAGE..and man's offspring which was " in his own likeness, after his image" ?

 

[Incariol]

Like you usually do you dodged the issue.

Which of the two pictures above represents what God created IN HIS LIKENESS & AFTER HIS IMAGE..and man's offspring which was " in his own likeness, after his image" ?

Potentially both.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You said to me earlier: "Comments like this demonstrate disinterest in any actual conversation."

Apologize for this untruthful statement and I will take the time to give you a direct answer. Had you been reading my posts then you would have seen that you were not accurate and also you would have seen that I already answered this question before.

Now, please show me that you care and apologize.

If I have misunderstood statements you've made then yes, I apologize.

Perhaps you could also extend some civility by apologizing for your overt hostility toward your fellow believers.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Keachian]

Like you usually do you dodged the issue.

Which of the two pictures above represents what God created IN HIS LIKENESS & AFTER HIS IMAGE..and man's offspring which was " in his own likeness, after his image" ?

You're taking something which talks of humanity's ability to reason, to have free will the tzelem elohim our very worth found through God and saying "God is a bearded cloud genie" You have taken the infinite the one who was, is, and will be and made him that of his creation.

 

[SkyWriting]

I think you misunderstand the word fit. It doesn't mean going to the gym and pumping weights, it means suited to the environment.

The key word in dispute is "humble". It doesn't match with "Well suited to the environment it happens to reside in." Check for yourself before you swallow untruth. Do you see a match?

Bible and Library Search: humble

 

[SkyWriting]

Humans are apes...

The only reason humans are "apes" is because of a classification system we invented.
You don't really think that if Apes wrote the definition, they would include us do you?

 

[Incariol]

The only reason humans are "apes" is because of a classification system we invented.
You don't really think that if Apes wrote the definition, they would include us do you?

Are you trying to be funny? I'm sorry, but without something like a smiley, humor and sarcasm just doesn't communicate itself well in forums.

 

[Keachian]

The only reason humans are "apes" is because of a classification system we invented.
You don't really think that if Apes wrote the definition, they would include us do you?

Well, apes did write the definition and they did include us[/smartass]

 

[SkyWriting]

You're taking something which talks of humanity's ability to reason, to have free will the tzelem elohim our very worth found through God and saying "God is a bearded cloud genie" You have taken the infinite the one who was, is, and will be and made him that of his creation.

The word or idea of "image" is used in photography and other visual areas.
The properties of an "image" or "reflection" are very limited in comparison
to the source of the image. Images blur, rip, distort, fade, are temporary,
are flat, are easily colored, destroyed, over exposed, etc.

Images are quite dissimilar from the source of images.
But they might look similar under ideal circumstances.

http://bible.cc/search.php?q=image

 

[mmksparbud]

The only reason humans are "apes" is because of a classification system we invented.
You don't really think that if Apes wrote the definition, they would include us do you?

I guess to them, we're weird, ugly looking creatures who can only walk on 2 legs and are pretty puny, weak little things.

 

[Incariol]

I guess to them, we're weird, ugly looking creatures who can only walk on 2 legs and are pretty puny, weak little things.

...and are still apes. For God's sake,

Everything under "hominoidea" is an ape. This is NOT a complicated concept. Young children are cognitively capable of linking concepts in this manner, so this isn't something people here should be having trouble understanding.

 

[Keachian]

The word or idea of "image" is used in photography and other visual areas.
The properties of an "image" or "reflection" are very limited in comparison
to the source of the image. Images blur, rip, distort, fade, are temporary,
are flat, are easily colored, destroyed, over exposed, etc.

Images are quite dissimilar from the source of images.
But they might look similar under ideal circumstances.

Bible and Library Search: image

Yes, I think I agree with you here, God is perfect we are not, this is why we only know in part and prophesy in part, but when he has finished perfecting us then we will know in full even as we have been fully known.