Why do we look so much like apes?

[Reminisce]

My mind has been made up for a long time already regardless of this thread: We are a species of ape that evolved from other species of ape, just the way evolution works.

 

[Assyrian]

I didn't read the whole post. But my meaning remains the same. Just because we find different skulls in different areas or even in the same area we automatically assume through flawed data and biased opinions that they were some kind of humanoid instead of just a weird shaped skull from a human or ape. Who really knows?

We know the the sequence of fossil skulls with cranial capacities getting smaller and smaller as we go back in time, and feature getting steadily more ape like, not only fits evolution beautifully it was what evolution predicted. On the other hand, no creationist predicted we would find fossils with traits in between humans and other apes, it is simply not what anyone would expect from the doctrine of special creation or created kinds. This is evidence that strongly supports evolution, and from a Christian perspective, God creating us through evolution.

If you are willing to wave away really strong evidence from the fossil record like that, you really need to ask yourself, if God really had used evolution, is there any evidence that would convince you? Or would you simply hand wave everything away anyway?

We have long life genes. And we age really fast. I went bald at 18.

Sounds pretty traumatic for a teenager, but I don't think it is an argument against evolution.

 

[Kirkwhisper]

My mind has been made up for a long time already regardless of this thread: We are a species of ape that evolved from other species of ape, just the way evolution works.

Your beliefs are contrary to God's holy Word.

Evolution does not exist.

Observe:

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen. 1:27

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

The language is clear enough. It was Moses, who under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who told us the truth. Neo-Darwnian evolution is a lie.

 

[Assyrian]

Your beliefs are contrary to God's holy Word.

Evolution does not exist.

Observe:

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen. 1:27

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

The language is clear enough. It was Moses, who under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who told us the truth. Neo-Darwnian evolution is a lie.

You're not suggesting our physical bodies are in the image and likeness of God are you?

 

[Reminisce]

Your beliefs are contrary to God's holy Word.

Evolution does not exist.

Observe:

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen. 1:27

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

The language is clear enough. It was Moses, who under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who told us the truth. Neo-Darwnian evolution is a lie.

And you've built your whole argument against evolution on this one scripture? Impressive...

 

[3rdHeaven]

God did make man in His own image. But it's not talking about physical appearance, unless you think God has a head, face, arms and legs and walks around in a cloud.

 

[Incariol]

God did make man in His own image. But it's not talking about physical appearance, unless you think God has a head, face, arms and legs and walks around in a cloud.

There are people on this forum who believe intensely bizarre things... So it wouldn't be surprising

 

[Gozreht]

We know the the sequence of fossil skulls with cranial capacities getting smaller and smaller as we go back in time, and feature getting steadily more ape like, not only fits evolution beautifully it was what evolution predicted. On the other hand, no creationist predicted we would find fossils with traits in between humans and other apes, it is simply not what anyone would expect from the doctrine of special creation or created kinds. This is evidence that strongly supports evolution, and from a Christian perspective, God creating us through evolution.

If you are willing to wave away really strong evidence from the fossil record like that, you really need to ask yourself, if God really had used evolution, is there any evidence that would convince you? Or would you simply hand wave everything away anyway?

One thing that would convince me is if the Bible actually stated it. Or if the Bible had stories about "people" before people. I am sure one could twist the Bible a little and make it fit into evolution. I see the steps such as first there were fish, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals and man as the Bible says were the steps of creation being used as a piece of theistic evolution. But there are two things that just completely stop this thinking for me. The Bible says that creatures after their creation reproduced according to their kind. This is flat out against any evolutionary process. now maybe, just maybe after they reproduced according to their kind they would change, but I see no Biblical evidence of that. Second thing that stops me is that the Bible says God breathed into man His spirit. No matter what scientists find, no matter what any of the worlds "smartest" people would ever say, even religious people, ape can not evolve into a spiritual being. Again, maybe, just maybe, ape developed into a manlike creature and then God breathed into him, but I can not see the sequence being that way as stated in the Bible. And if we have to "read bewteen the lines" to understand evolution is being used then that means we have to distort or add to the word of God. I have not taken this lightly, trust me. I have questioned all of it before but nothing ever leaves me with evolution being the way. I left a question a couple pages back but no one has commented on it yet.

Sounds pretty traumatic for a teenager, but I don't think it is an argument against evolution.

Heck, it is still traumatic. Maybe there is evolution, they were hairy too.

 

[Kirkwhisper]

One thing that would convince me is if the Bible actually stated it. Or if the Bible had stories about "people" before people. I am sure one could twist the Bible a little and make it fit into evolution. I see the steps such as first there were fish, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals and man as the Bible says were the steps of creation being used as a piece of theistic evolution. But there are two things that just completely stop this thinking for me. The Bible says that creatures after their creation reproduced according to their kind. This is flat out against any evolutionary process. now maybe, just maybe after they reproduced according to their kind they would change, but I see no Biblical evidence of that. Second thing that stops me is that the Bible says God breathed into man His spirit. No matter what scientists find, no matter what any of the worlds "smartest" people would ever say, even religious people, ape can not evolve into a spiritual being. Again, maybe, just maybe, ape developed into a manlike creature and then God breathed into him, but I can not see the sequence being that way as stated in the Bible. And if we have to "read bewteen the lines" to understand evolution is being used then that means we have to distort or add to the word of God. I have not taken this lightly, trust me. I have questioned all of it before but nothing ever leaves me with evolution being the way. I left a question a couple pages back but no one has commented on it yet.

Heck, it is still traumatic. Maybe there is evolution, they were hairy too.

He and those like him make their theology/science based upon what they have not observed, neither personally nor via other observers.

 

[Kirkwhisper]

And you've built your whole argument against evolution on this one scripture? Impressive...

You haven't been reading my posts much, have you?

'...your whole argumenht..on this one scripture?" ha, ha, ha, ha.

Yet you didn't refute it. But then how can you?

 

[Kirkwhisper]

God did make man in His own image. But it's not talking about physical appearance, unless you think God has a head, face, arms and legs and walks around in a cloud.

Gee, you're catching on!

Turn us again, O God of hosts, and cause thy face to shine; Psalm 80:7

The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength..Isa. 62:8

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...Zechariah 14:4 (* this verse in reference to the Lord's literal, visible 2nd coming).

Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Psalm 104:3

The truth is that God can and does appear in different ways at different times to both man and angel depending upon His own eternal purposes.

He even sits as a king upon His throne before the whole universe,...with a face, arms, hands, legs, and feet. Isaiah 6: 1-6 (gasp! what a shocker!).

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Gee, you're catching on!

Turn us again, O God of hosts, and cause thy face to shine; Psalm 80:7

The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength..Isa. 62:8

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...Zechariah 14:4 (* this verse in reference to the Lord's literal, visible 2nd coming).

Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Psalm 104:3

The truth is that God can and does appear in different ways at different times to both man and angel depending upon His own eternal purposes.

He even sits as a king upon His throne before the whole universe,...with a face, arms, hands, legs, and feet. Isaiah 6: 1-6 (gasp! what a shocker!).

Those quotes are probably metaphorical - visualising God as a human helps us feel closer to Him. The only time God look physical form was in His son Jesus:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

- Colossians1:15​

To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory forever. Amen.​

- 1 Timothy 17​

Besides, if we look at the scriptures literally and concluded God had a human body, we would also have to conclude that he also had wings (Psalms 91:4) and is a woman (Isaiah 42:14). Early christians also agreed that God had no physical form. There's a list of their writings here.

 

[Papias]

Kirkwhisper wrote:

Gee, you're catching on!

Turn us again, O God of hosts, and cause thy face to shine; Psalm 80:7

The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength..Isa. 62:8

And his feet shall stand .......
He even sits as a king upon His throne before the whole universe,...with a face, arms, hands, legs, and feet. Isaiah 6: 1-6 (gasp! what a shocker!).

Sounds to me that you are thinking more of Zeus than Yahweh.......


Papias

 

[Assyrian]

Gee, you're catching on!

Turn us again, O God of hosts, and cause thy face to shine; Psalm 80:7

The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength..Isa. 62:8

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...Zechariah 14:4 (* this verse in reference to the Lord's literal, visible 2nd coming).

Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Psalm 104:3

The truth is that God can and does appear in different ways at different times to both man and angel depending upon His own eternal purposes.

He even sits as a king upon His throne before the whole universe,...with a face, arms, hands, legs, and feet. Isaiah 6: 1-6 (gasp! what a shocker!).

Don't forgets God's wings, you claimed they were literal too.

God's wings are literal, but unseen except by those in the invisible/spirit world.

Did Adam have wings?

 

[Kirkwhisper]

Each of the three individuals above are on 'ignore' and will stay that way. Anyone else? You may ask the same questions they might have asked and I will be glad to answer.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Each of the three individuals above are on 'ignore' and will stay that way. Anyone else? You may ask the same questions they might have asked and I will be glad to answer.

It's a public forum, anyone can post where they want. Also - if you had them on 'ignore' you wouldn't be able to read their posts.

 

[Keachian]

Each of the three individuals above are on 'ignore' and will stay that way. Anyone else? You may ask the same questions they might have asked and I will be glad to answer.

isn't every TE posting regularly around here on ignore?

 

[Kirkwhisper]

isn't every TE posting regularly around here on ignore?

With smart remarks like that you just may join them soon.

 

[Keachian]

Ok, so God is three physical men (Gen 18:2), firepot and flaming torch (Gen 15:17) burning bush (Ex 3:2) Pillar of fire/cloud (Ex 13) cloud (Ex 40:34-38 and various other places) a still small voice (theophanies of Samuel and Elijah) those aren't exactly human descriptions of God. How do you reconcile these with your bodily made in our physical image God?

 

[Kirkwhisper]

Ok, so God is three physical men (Gen 18:2), firepot and flaming torch (Gen 15:17) burning bush (Ex 3:2) Pillar of fire/cloud (Ex 13) cloud (Ex 40:34-38 and various other places) a still small voice (theophanies of Samuel and Elijah) those aren't exactly human descriptions of God. How do you reconcile these with your bodily made in our physical image God?

I gave scripture above proving that God appears as a man. I feel no obligation to 'explain' why He might appear in other ways at other times. What difference does it make if He appears as man......or as an eagle or the blowing wind through the trees if He so chooses?