Why do Some People Become So Emotional when Discussing Genesis?

[Speedwell]

Do you know THE WAY back to our FIRST HOME then?

No, we can't go back to that home. We can only go forward to the Kingdom of God promised us by Christ and the surety of His sacrifice.

 

[miknik5]

Truly human?

As in TRUE FLESH?
Do you think our first ancestors knew THE WAY back HOME?

 

[miknik5]

No, we can't go back to that home. We can only go forward to the Kingdom of God promised us by Christ and the surety of His sacrifice.

No. We are going back to that HOME. It's why THE WAY was blocked until the ONE who would come would open THE WAY back so that we may eat of THE TREE OF LIFE


Aren't all these things said allegories to some but plain and true words to others?

 

[Archivist]

Do you mind telling us again what was your interpretation

An allegory pointing to who

My view is that it is an allegory showing that God ultimately created everything. I don't have to believe in a literal garden or a talking snake to believe that God created the heavens and the earth.

So, why do these people seem to feel that they have the right to be rude to others?

 

[miknik5]

Lord, why do you speak in parables?

To you the secrets of the kingdom have been given


A time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in parables

 

[miknik5]

My view is that it is an allegory showing that God ultimately created everything. I don't have to believe in a literal garden or a talking snake to believe that God created the heavens and the earth.

So, why do these people seem to feel that they have the right to be rude to others?

Where does the savior fit in this?

 

[inquiring mind]

Well, why not? The scriptures teach that Jesus took on human form. Why would you expect that He would not also share in human weakness. In this respect, I think the overall picture we get from Paul and the gospels is that Jesus indeed "shared" in our humanity and, by implication, our weaknesses.

Do you believe Jesus knew about general relativity?
Do you believe Jesus knew that the sun is 93 million miles from the Earth?
Do you believe Jesus knew everything about the human genome?

It would be interesting to have read such discourse if it existed, but the Bible didn't refer to it, accordingly it must not have been relevant... and so neither would my opinion be in the matter. Do you believe Jesus knew how to save your soul from eternal damnation?

 

[Archivist]

Where does the savior fit in this?

In the OP I asked the following and specifically asked people to remain on topic:

1) Is a belief in a literal interpretation of Genesis necessary for salvation?

2) If a literal reading of Genesis 1 and 2 is required, is a literal reading of Mark 14, Matthew 26 and Luke 22 ("this is my body...") also required? Why or why not?

3) If the Genesis creation accounts are not open to interpretation, what areas of scripture are open to interpretation?

 

[Kenny'sID]

My view is that it is an allegory showing that God ultimately created everything. I don't have to believe in a literal garden or a talking snake to believe that God created the heavens and the earth.

Then what would be the point of all the detail if that were a fact? Why not just say God created everything and be done with it? Your views are up to you but they don't make a lot of sense.

 

[Speedwell]

Then what would be the point of all the detail if that were a fact? Why not just say God created everything and be done with it? Your views are up to you but they don't make a lot of sense.

Because people like good stories to convey such messages rather than 100% accurate factual treatises--especially when the stories might have to survive in oral tradition for a time before being transcribed,

 

[miknik5]

In the OP I asked the following and specifically asked people to remain on topic:

1) Is a belief in a literal interpretation of Genesis necessary for salvation?

2) If a literal reading of Genesis 1 and 2 is required, is a literal reading of Mark 14, Matthew 26 and Luke 22 ("this is my body...") also required? Why or why not?

3) If the Genesis creation accounts are not open to interpretation, what areas of scripture are open to interpretation?

Is the truth of JESUS hidden in GOD's WORD?

If so, what would the 6th day creation account be an allegory of

What would the 7th day be an allegory of

And what would an 8th day be an allegory of

Keeping in mind that GOD spoke of and pointed us to HIS SON in visible signs and representations which spoke of HIS SON

That is THE TRUTH we were supposed to have received out from HIS WORD

THE TESTIMONY of JESUS

 

[expos4ever]

It would be interesting to have read such discourse if it existed, but the Bible didn't refer to it, accordingly it must not have been relevant... and so neither would my opinion be in the matter. Do you believe Jesus knew how to save your soul from eternal damnation?

The Scriptures clearly declare that Jesus's knowledge was limited - the Son does not know the time of the Second coming. So there can be no debate; if only the Father knows the time of Jesus's return, Jesus knowledge is incomplete. So perhaps He did not know that humans arose via evolution, and that therefore the creation account is a myth.

 

[expos4ever]

Yes
The LORD over all things created should know all things

Biblically, He does not know all things; He does not know the time of the second coming.

 

[miknik5]

Biblically, He does not know all things; He does not know the time of the second coming.

Yet HE knows the signs just before it and tells us to watch for them

HE knows but it's not for us to know

The HOLY SPIRIT will only speak to us what HE gives us to know

(John 16)

 

[inquiring mind]

The Scriptures clearly declare that Jesus's knowledge was limited - the Son does not know the time of the Second coming. So there can be no debate; if only the Father knows the time of Jesus's return, Jesus knowledge is incomplete. So perhaps He did not know that humans arose via evolution, and that therefore the creation account is a myth.

To jump from a stated unknown in the Bible to assumed unknowns regarding scientific things is a pretty big jump, especially when Jesus was given all power in heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18). Why would He discuss such things, and with who... if it was not about His Father's business at the time?

 

[miknik5]

The Scriptures clearly declare that Jesus's knowledge was limited - the Son does not know the time of the Second coming. So there can be no debate; if only the Father knows the time of Jesus's return, Jesus knowledge is incomplete. So perhaps He did not know that humans arose via evolution, and that therefore the creation account is a myth.

All that is THE FATHER's is mine...

This is why I say I will take from what is mine and give to you

And when HE comes THE SPIRIT of TRUTH whom I will send from THE FATHER HE will lead you to ALL TRUTH

HE will not speak of HIMSELF but what HE hears and HE shall glorify ME for HE shall take from ME and give to you and HE will show you things to come

All that is THE FATHER's is mine. This is why I say HE will take from what is mine and give to you

I will not leave you as orphans
I will come to you

I'm that day you will know that I AM in THE FATHER and THE FATHER is in ME

(John 16)

 

[miknik5]

HE knows

 

[Kenny'sID]

Because people like good stories to convey such messages rather than 100% accurate factual treatises--especially when the stories might have to survive in oral tradition for a time before being transcribed,

The accurate survival rate would certainly be higher if the Bible just said God created the universe...period. Not nearly as much to remember.

And how many more people prefer a accurate account? I think you are really reaching to think that anywhere near a majority would prefer an inaccurate story over the very interesting facts. I wan the fact, hands down, without a second thought.

 

[Speedwell]

The accurate survival rate would certainly be higher if the Bible just said God created the universe...period. Not nearly as much to remember.

And how many more people prefer a accurate account? I think you are really reaching to think that anywhere near a majority would prefer an inaccurate story over the very interesting facts. I wan the fact, hands down, without a second thought.

No doubt you do. I take you to be some sort of Evangelical Protestant, a child of post-Enlightenment rationalism, and would expect nothing else from you. But it is perhaps ill-advised to project those values on others, particularly on the ancient Hebrews for whom those stories were written or even on your Christian contemporaries, notably the Orthodox and Oriental churches. Many of those bodies reject the theory of evolution, but they also reject the "literal and inerrant" view of scripture held by YECs.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No doubt you do. I take you to be some sort of Evangelical Protestant, a child of post-Enlightenment rationalism, and would expect nothing else from you. But it is perhaps ill-advised to project those values on others, particularly on the ancient Hebrews for whom those stories were written or even on your Christian contemporaries, notably the Orthodox and Oriental churches. Many of those bodies reject the theory of evolution, but they also reject the "literal and inerrant" view of scripture held by YECs.

Project it on others? How bout you take a poll to see who prefers stories over the facts?