Why do some liberals consider Trump a joke despite his overwhelming popularity and support?

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he believes it. He is not telling people what he thinks they want to hear, rather, he is speaking his beliefs.

Don't care. At best, his views are highly disrespectful to the immigrants to our country, legal or not, and I have no respect for that or for him.
 
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I am not going to reply to any comments to my comment other than this. Read what I put down. I have made no mention of support or opposition to Mister Trump, but it appears that the commentators have already shown that "politics is a religion" mentality I wrote about. I am not going there as it can quickly become personal and worse. Render, etc...
 
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The problem with politics is that far too many people treat it as a religion. I even see that evidence right here in this thread. Anyone running for the highest office in this land is far from a joke, especially when the power of that office affects people in every country. If those posting consider themselves believers in Christ, then they need to be able to separate their emotions from the political world in the same way Jesus did, "Render unto Caesar and so on..."

As for Trump, it is easy to see why some folks are reacting the way they are. The candidate seems to take a lot of joy in stepping on sacred cows and politically correct toes. As for not presenting solutions and all the rest, that is frankly either a lie or the repeating of false information from agenda'd sources. Poll numbers do not lie, and his numbers are what they are because people from both sides of the aisle are tired of political spin, pandering and broken promises. Trump is blunt, crass and grates on nerves, but he is not the one thing almost every other candidate is, again both side of the aisle, a hypocrite. Whether or not his solutions to issues will work is beside the point; he believes it. He is not telling people what he thinks they want to hear, rather, he is speaking his beliefs. Remember the personality trait Jesus hated over all else, hypocrisy. Think of that the next time you plan on voting for someone you know has lied in the past.
Welcome to Christian Forums. :wave:

Very well stated post and very much on target. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Joke, fool, clown, and far worse insults... that's politics and society as the norm today (not just from the liberal side of the fence): if you don't think like and agree with me then you are stupid, evil, or mentally ill.




The OP (as right wingers do so often on this forum) fails to note that Trump's biggest critics are from his own party.
 
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I'm not a liberal but I do consider Trump a joke.

Trump has given plenty of money to democratic politicians, he gave money to Hillary Clinton when she was running for senate and has given money to her foundation.

He's not a conservative, he's pro-big government he steals peoples property via eminent domain. He wails about the horrors of illegal immigration but employs illegal immigrants.

What confused me most was that many of his supporters who also claimed to be conservatives and for small government, it would appear that backing someone they think is going to win is much more important than the issues they claim are important.
 
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He's not afraid of anyone and will speak his mind.

He's different. He's got the Billions, so why is he running? Did you ever consider that he cares about America?
Publicity.
 
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Did you ever consider that he cares about America?

Nope. If he cared about his country, he wouldn't be running.

Trump cares about Trump and making money. That's it.
 
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Nope. If he cared about his country, he wouldn't be running.

Trump cares about Trump and making money. That's it.

He gave up 200 million from the Apprentice to run for President. That's a lot of money to give up for someone who cares about making money.
 
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I'd say the main reason Trump is being treated like a joke is because he's essentially the entire clown car from 2012. He's Palin's airheadedness mixed with Bachmann's arrogant ignorance mixed with Christie's "jerkbagness" mixed with Cain's complete disregard for what a president ought to act like, plus an awful hairpiece. He's a misogynistic, racist blowhard with very few concrete policy proposals for anything, save for one pipe-dream that involves overturning birthright citizenship and some rather (read: completely and utterly) unrealistic expectations of Mexico.

And the best part: nobody seems to notice. The republicans backing him either don't notice or don't care (in fact, him being a misogynistic, racist blowhard puts him in very good company in the Republican party). Right now, given that his odds of winning are essentially nil, it's awesome political theater, much like Herman Cain was back in 2012. If he actually gets the nomination, there will be a lot less laughing. It's a bit like the kid holding a toy gun to his pet dog's head and threatening for more dessert. He gets laughs, right up until it turns out the gun wasn't a toy, there are dog brains on the floor, and he was dead serious. Trump actually getting the nomination would be kind of terrifying, because the rest of the world knew that American politics has been going down the crapper, but this is ridiculous.
 
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I'd say the main reason Trump is being treated like a joke is because he's essentially the entire clown car from 2012. He's Palin's airheadedness mixed with Bachmann's arrogant ignorance mixed with Christie's "jerkbagness" mixed with Cain's complete disregard for what a president ought to act like, plus an awful hairpiece. He's a misogynistic, racist blowhard with very few concrete policy proposals for anything, save for one pipe-dream that involves overturning birthright citizenship and some rather (read: completely and utterly) unrealistic expectations of Mexico.

And the best part: nobody seems to notice. The republicans backing him either don't notice or don't care (in fact, him being a misogynistic, racist blowhard puts him in very good company in the Republican party). Right now, given that his odds of winning are essentially nil, it's awesome political theater, much like Herman Cain was back in 2012. If he actually gets the nomination, there will be a lot less laughing. It's a bit like the kid holding a toy gun to his pet dog's head and threatening for more dessert. He gets laughs, right up until it turns out the gun wasn't a toy, there are dog brains on the floor, and he was dead serious. Trump actually getting the nomination would be kind of terrifying, because the rest of the world knew that American politics has been going down the crapper, but this is ridiculous.

Trump being a misogynistic and racist huh? Care to explain why he's the leading Republican for women, young voters, and the more moderate base?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/u...mp-wont-fold-polls-and-people-speak.html?_r=0

Mr. Trump leads among women, despite having used terms like “fat pigs” and “disgusting animals” to denigrate some of them. He leads among evangelical Christians, despite saying he had never had a reason to ask God for forgiveness. He leads among moderates and college-educated voters, despite a populist and anti-immigrant message thought to resonate most with conservatives and less-affluent voters.

The media focuses on sound-bites from Trump, because he called one woman a "fat pig" the media plays it out like he's sexist. Women knows he isn't sexist, and that's why he has their vote.
 
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Trump being a misogynistic and racist huh? Care to explain why he's the leading Republican for women, young voters, and the more moderate base?
Because Americans are crazy? I'm not going to try to explain the behavior of the republican party, because the fact that anyone would still vote for the republican party after the debacles of the last 8 years is beyond my understanding (and the understanding of much of the western world). At that point, backing Trump feels more like a symptom than a new disease.
 
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He gave up 200 million from the Apprentice to run for President. That's a lot of money to give up for someone who cares about making money.

Yeah, because pretending to run for president is free publicity for him and a boost to his already over-inflated ego.
 
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Reasons trump is a joke:

- He can't distinguish fact from fiction at all.

- He pursued the "birther" conspiracy theory. Obama would be a citizen even if he was born in Kenya because his mom was an American citizen. Somehow Trump avoided learning that not-so-obscure fact (one that I learned without spending big money or hiring people to help with my research) throughout his highly publicized "investigation" and right up to the present day, because he's still questioning Obama's citizenship! Just imagine the incompetence that takes. Obama's birth was reported by Hawaii newspapers at the time, and he released both his short-form and long-form birth certificate years ago, so I'd say Obama's as likely to be a natural-born citizen as anyone else, and Trump has the intellectual acumen of a ham.

- He called the 2012 election a "sham" and demanded a "march on Washington" to reverse it. He thought Romney had won the popular vote--meaning he either doesn't know how to use Google or doesn't have the sense to spend 1.5 seconds checking it (which in this case is literally how long it takes) to make sure he's right and doesn't look like an idiot/crazy person to millions of people.

- He has absolutely no political experience! I'm amazed that doesn't seem to matter to most Republicans. What standards are you guys using? As long as someone's rich and irreverent, they get to be President? Why don't we just elect Flava Flav?
 
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Why do some liberals continue to think Trump is a joke?

Trump is forming a coalition among all types of republicans, not just the tea party. Trump has been very different from past candidates, he started out low in the polls, and has been continuously gaining ground. Unlike the Mayor of New York who started off hot and then lost ground, Trump started off low in the polls, and only gained once he started making speeches.

Many people who thought Trump would cost himself at the first debate, instead, he gained more points. And yet article after article keeps suggesting that Trump, despite being insanely popular with the people, cannot win the candidate.

Is Trump a joke candidate still? Or is he the champion of the "silent majority"?

If Trump is the champion of any group, I don't think silence is one of the characteristics they're known for. As to his validity as a candidate...

He needs the republican nomination to have any hope of winning. The problem there is that he hasn't done much in the way of winning over the Republicans currently in office. So if he doesn't get their support...and he fails to win the nomination...then he either has to quit or run as an independent.

If he runs as an independent, then he'll effectively split the republican vote and destroy any hopes they have of winning the presidency.

Personally, the only problem I have with the guy is his lack of intelligence. He strikes me as a run-of-the-mill idiot with a lot of cash, xenophobic racist misogynistic beliefs, and really poor taste. I'm not even worried that he could be president...I don't think he'd be able to achieve anything.
 
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If you feel the other candidates are a joke, then that is your (or the republicans) problem. I was not talking about any other candidate.

You might as well have been talking about any of the candidates they all lack detailed information about what they actually would do if elected as we have seen time after time that what is promised often does not coincide at all with what is done. If you think only Trump is a joke well that is your problem. Could you tell me what the other candidates and potential candidates detailed plans to stem the tide of illegal immigration are that exceed the amount of detailed information that Trump has just by saying "build a wall" ( and not just the republican s but the democrats and socialists as well.)? All one ever hears is the phrase "My plan will" followed by a list of wonderful things this vague plan will supposedly accomplish but never is this plan actually spelled out in a way that an objective observer could judge the realistic consequences . I think the reason for this is obvious as the plan is as vague in the mind of the politician as it is in the politician's mouth and the only real plan the politician has at the moment amounts to saying whatever it is the most is likely to get one elected by an uninformed electorate.
 
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