Why do some denominations not believe in Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Rick Otto]

OSAS is the simple truth.
Repentance IS the turning from unbelief to belief.

...But the hamster-cage wheel of religion must go on.

 

[squint]

OSAS is the simple truth.
Repentance IS the turning from unbelief to belief.

...But the hamster-cage wheel of religion must go on.

Having faith that Jesus might be a Savior or might not doesn't seem to be inline with having faith does it?

Is there a term for having maybe/maybe not faith?

Iffy faith?

 

[Rick Otto]

Having faith that Jesus might be a Savior or might not doesn't seem to be inline with having faith does it?

Is there a term for having maybe/maybe not faith?

Iffy faith?

Faithyness

 

[Gibs]

OSAS is the simple truth.
Repentance IS the turning from unbelief to belief.

...But the hamster-cage wheel of religion must go on.

Repent means to have sorrow and turn away,

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Lu 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

In the old,

5162. nacham

Mxn nacham naw-kham'
a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself):--comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent(-er,-ing, self).

See Greek 3326
See Greek 3539

The new,

3340. metanoeo

metanoew metanoeo met-an-o-eh'-o
from 3326 and 3539; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent.

See Greek 3326
See Greek 3539

 

[VolRaider]

It's bad theology. It makes one complacent, thinking that once they made that altar call they are free to act like a jack wagon because they were "elected."
If OSAS is true, then why pray? You're already elected. Why go to church? Just chill out in the Lazy Boy on Sunday and wait for the game.

 

[squint]

It's bad theology. It makes one complacent, thinking that once they made that altar call they are free to act like a jack wagon because they were "elected."
If OSAS is true, then why pray? You're already elected. Why go to church? Just chill out in the Lazy Boy on Sunday and wait for the game.

How DARE anyone believe that Jesus will save them!

Such audacity.

You must be threatened in order to maintain faith. What R U all thinking???

 

[Gibs]

How DARE anyone believe that Jesus will save them!

Such audacity.

You must be threatened in order to maintain faith. What R U all thinking???

Jesus definitely saves the truly repentant continuing in Him and not in sin ones!

I had a brother in law that once he figured he was saved that was the end of going to church and went his same old way as always.

Yes Jesus forgives and then He says go and sin no more too.

Ro 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

[Nik0s]

How do people who subscribe to OSAS explain the parable of the sower?

 

[Marvin Knox]

It's bad theology. It makes one complacent, thinking that once they made that altar call they are free to act like a jack wagon because they were "elected."
If OSAS is true, then why pray? You're already elected. Why go to church? Just chill out in the Lazy Boy on Sunday and wait for the game.

Why do anything God told us to do?

I don't know -
Maybe because He's almighty God and He told me to?
Maybe out of gratitude for His laying down His life for me?

One thing that for me will never be however is - because I believe it will keep me saved. Been there and done that.

Believing that just made me run away from God because I felt condemned every time I sinned. I stayed away from Him and even fought Him for about 15 years.

Believing that I am His child and that He paid the total price for my eternal salvation has kept me trudging up the straight and narrow path for about half a century now.

Works for me! But more importantly it's the way God wants us to live.

 

[squint]

How do people who subscribe to OSAS explain the parable of the sower?

What don't you understand about our adversary blinding the minds of our former comrades in faith?

And you want to toss the fallen faithful to be burned alive forever?

Do we shoot our wounded warriors in the head as they lay bleeding in the battlefield?

Christians have only one dictate to the fallen faithful and that is to LOVE them.

Not condemn them to (outright or potential) hell. And especially not if you don't even know that you yourself are even saved, but maybe saved.

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[squint]

Jesus definitely saves the truly repentant continuing in Him and not in sin ones!

When did you become sinless???

 

[Nik0s]

What don't you understand about our adversary blinding the minds of our former comrades in faith?

And you want to toss the fallen faithful to be burned alive forever?

Do we shoot our wounded warriors in the head as they lay bleeding in the battlefield?

Christians have only one dictate to the fallen faithful and that is to LOVE them.

Not condemn them to (outright or potential) hell. And especially not if you don't even know that you yourself are even saved, but maybe saved.

s

How can there be "fallen faithful" if you believe in OSAS?

 

[Gibs]

When did you become sinless???

That is a foolish question as at repentance He forgave me and said go sin no more but continue in me and follow me and I've been walking with Him since.

He is far greater than the sin that is in the world!

 

[squint]

That is a foolish question as at repentance He forgave me and said go sin no more but continue in me and follow me and I've been walking with Him since.

He is far greater than the sin that is in the world!

I'll ask you again then. When did you become sinless?

 

[Gibs]

I'll ask you again then. When did you become sinless?

I died of sin with Him and He in me,

Ro 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

[squint]

I died of sin with Him and He in me,

Ro 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

So, in terms of 'human time' how long have you been sinless?

 

[squint]

How can there be "fallen faithful" if you believe in OSAS?

A LOT of believers become blinded again in this present life.

That doesn't mean Jesus abandoned them or shot them in the head or will shortly be burning them alive forever.

 

[Nik0s]

A LOT of believers become blinded again in this present life.

Then how are they always saved if they can (and do) turn their faces away from God?

That doesn't mean Jesus abandoned them or shot them in the head or will shortly be burning them alive forever.

Jesus abandons NO ONE, we abandon him. I never said anything like what you're accusing me of.

 

[squint]

Then how are they always saved if they can (and do) turn their faces away from God?

You asked about the seed parables.

Mark 4:15 tells us exactly 'how' this happens.

Jesus abandons NO ONE, we abandon him. I never said anything like what you're accusing me of.

Circular reasoning. And fwiw, there is no 'location' that is apart from Omnipresence, so 'leaving Him' is technically impossible.

 

[Nik0s]

You asked about the seed parables.

Mark 4:15 tells us exactly 'how' this happens.

The parable of the sower shows us that people fall away from Chris. My question was how can one be "once saved, always saved" when Christ himself tells us people fall away. I have no idea what you're talking about with shooting etc...