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Were they ever saved ?
Mortal sin is how you loose salvation.
There's no such thing.
Or rather....ALL sin is "mortal" in the sense that it seperates us from God. Good thing, then, that the bill has been paid 2000 years ago.
Odd how some consider them selves saved when they can easily look around and see this is not heaven.
Saying I won the race before the race is finished is a tad presumptuous.
Thank you for answering !
Some folks can't, won't, or don't have the chops.
Can you tell me anyone here is not saved ?
I have no doubt. Put that notion in the bin.
If the sinless perfection crowd is stuck with an on again off again salvation due to committing a sin, that is one definition I suppose.
But, as saints, they are restored quickly to salvation. Those who cannot repent have lost nothing. Their heart is stone, and never was changed.
Why will no one who is ANTI-OSAS admit they have lost their salvation ?
If this is your pov, but it lacks empirical evidence, then why subscribe to it ?
Since a pro-OSAS sees anti-OSAS proof texts as eisegesis, ...
...where do we look for evidence and proof of folks losing their salvation ?
It is rather peculiar that no one in the anti-OSAS crowd will fess up that they have lost salvation (and regained) if this is what they are basing their eternity on, as well as preaching to the unsaved.
The Bible does not have one example whatsoever.
Is there a man or woman who loses their salvation ?
Show us where Jesus says to someone they forfeited external life.
I also laid out to you several times, to which you've never responded, Romans 11:25-32. It shows clearly there that enemies of the Gospel as it pertains to Israel shall be saved. ALL of them. Why is it you avoid that scripture set? Fraid?
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Try reading through vs. 32 sometime rather that being stopped short.
Romans 11 sinks OSAS all by itself.
If the OSAS solution to the chapter is to ignore it and focus only on one verse with extreme inference applied... oh well...
Bob
Repeating the same hack mantra means nothing.
You bring Romans 11 as proof when Romans 11 says the exact opposite,
Yes I read one directed to you that said that. I did not read it saying it was fine or excusable to do so. I also disagree with that post. I can go a nano second without sinning. I do sleep.
Each time you call Romans 11 "hack mantra" and avoid the text itself to make your point you demonstrate the flaw in OSAS.
I prefer the details in the actual text. -- as usual. See me previous post above for the text details OSAS cannot survive.
or cllick -- http://www.christianforums.com/t7828521-61/#post65921295
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then thekindness and severityof God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, Gods kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
There's no such thing.
Or rather....ALL sin is "mortal" in the sense that it seperates us from God. Good thing, then, that the bill has been paid 2000 years ago.
ad hominem or sola scriptura -- pick one.
To think that ad hominem is a substitute for sola scriptura review that shows OSAS surviving the text - is to miss the definition.
1Jn 5:16 He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death (Venial), let him ask: and life shall be given to him who sinneth not to death (Venial). There is a sin unto death (Mortal). For that I say not that any man ask. 17 All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death (Mortal).
There are two levels of sin. We call them mortal and Venial. .
In Matt 18 even a determined spirit of unforgiveness will do it.
In Romans 11 - we see that a determined effort towards unbelief is the same as ...
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then thekindness and severityof God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, Gods kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
Your question does not make sense.
If they are currently in an unsaved state, they cannot answer because they are not allowed to post here. This area is for "orthodox Christians only." Unbelievers are not permitted.
I think I have seen some here who are professing believers who say they fell away for a time and then returned. Wesleyan Arminianism (and probably some of the Pre-Reformation faiths) say "fine." Calvinism and Classical/Reformation Arminianism disagree about the possibility of apostasy, but agree that the experience such people claim is not consistent with our understandings of Scripture; for both of us, such people never really were believers, or never really did abandon the faith, or have not really become believers (again).
Why do some denominations, such as the Church of God, not believe in Once Saved Always Saved, even though the Bible clearly outlines that salvation is eternal? That is, salvation is by grace through faith and it is something that cannot be taken from you.
Yeah, you said it better than me probably !!!
First, everyone posting here is a born again believer.
I have said all along that I am AFFIRMING salvation, not questioning.
Since eternal insecurity does not exist, I cannot support it anyway.
What I found strange is those who refute OSAS have never been unsaved.
IOW, if one is arguing on here against the pro-OSASers, then...
why do all the anti-OSASers resemble the pro-OSASers ?
If the anti-OSASers have not lost their salvation at some point,
then they have misidentified themselves. They are PRO-OSAS !!
Think about it
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