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Why do some denominations not believe in Once Saved, Always Saved?

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NorrinRadd

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How would this apply to Peter, who denied Christ three times?

I'm not sure what the "official" Arminian response would be. Mine would be two-fold:

First, his denial was a lying denial based on fear, not a genuine decision to reject Christ.

Second, at that point he had not yet received the Spirit and been born again. He was not a "believer" in the same sense that we are, or that he himself was later.
 
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Do you believe a person can lose their faith and then regain it in later in life?
 
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Do you believe a person can lose their faith and then regain it in later in life?

I don't believe a genuine believer can genuinely turn away and then return later.

Now, if you say to me, "Well, *I* genuinely believed, and *I* genuinely turned away, and now I'm a believer again," my response is "Whatever."

I realize that in some ways my view is not unlike the Calvinist's in my application of the word, "genuine."
 
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Actually, that was part of the argument presented to me . that "most christians acknowledge a 66 book bible"

the statement was most likely in response to that .

Only in the Bible belt.
 
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People do back slide. However, like the parable of the prodigal son, the father welcomed him back because he was his child.
But the child had to come back. If he had not, he would still be his child, but living in the muck with the swine. For that matter, Jesus didn't heal anyone who didn't ask him to do it. You had to make an act of faith before you were healed.
 
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But the child had to come back. If he had not, he would still be his child, but living in the muck with the swine. For that matter, Jesus didn't heal anyone who didn't ask him to do it. You had to make an act of faith before you were healed.

Where do we see Lazarus' act of faith before he was resurrected by Jesus ?
 
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Where do we see Lazarus' act of faith before he was resurrected by Jesus ?
Lazarus wasn't resurrected. He was raised at the request (act of faith) of Mary and Martha. It's kinda obvious that Lazarus was a friend of Jesus already.
 
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Lazarus wasn't resurrected. He was raised at the request (act of faith) of Mary and Martha. It's kinda obvious that Lazarus was a friend of Jesus already.

No, reread what you wrote.

Anyone (lazuarus) who wants to be healed must ask to be healed.

Lazarus was dead and did not ask to be healed.

You words are confusing and conflated.



Is your pov that only those who ask receive ?
 
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You are aware that seems to be contradicted by history? There are plenty of examples of apostates being reconciled to the Church. Are you saying their faith was in vain?

You criticize Olson for using Methodists as sources at times, but Forlines is a Free Will Baptist. Methodism is closer to the Dutch Reformed faith of Arminius than it is the to the Baptist faith, so I don't see how that criticism is fair.

I think it's more likely that the authors just misunderstood what Arminius meant by apostasy being "irrevocable", as you put it (he probably meant that it means a person who dies apostate is damned).
 
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That'll come as news to millions of Christians in the UK, Germany, and the Low Countries--to find that they're in the "Bible Belt."

It was a joke. But it seems to be a long belt.
 
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Quotes that prove that the Orthodox Church came from the Catholic Church. IF eastern patriarchs acknowledged being Catholic and that the Bishop of Rome was the leader of the Church, then I have made my case.

You may not like it, but....

Except it began in Jerusalem. You know back when you guys were Orthodox.
 
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You are aware that seems to be contradicted by history? There are plenty of examples of apostates being reconciled to the Church. Are you saying their faith was in vain?

As I said in post 345:

I don't believe a genuine believer can genuinely turn away and then return later.

Now, if you say to me, "Well, *I* genuinely believed, and *I* genuinely turned away, and now I'm a believer again," my response is "Whatever."

I realize that in some ways my view is not unlike the Calvinist's in my application of the word, "genuine."

No, I'm certain I properly understood Forlines and Picirilli.


I believe this Wikipedia article gives a reasonable overview.
 
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