Why do some Christians defend 2nd amend over lives?

[Aldebaran]

Hi aldebaran,

Why would you think I'd feel better living in El Salvador? I'm perfectly satisfied with where I live for now. However, just because there is a place on the planet, and there are actually a few, where firearms violence is worse than it is here merely proves my position. If you research the laws in those countries regarding firearms possession and ownership, you'll find that they are even more lax than we are and therefore have even higher such death rates. Personally, I would hope that as a nation we're smarter than that. To wait until we are absolutely the most dangerous place in the world to live to do something about the problem.

However, it looks like we may well do. Time will tell.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Here, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

From that link, you can see that the USA is #1 when it comes to gun ownership. It is the USA where you say gun violence is so bad. Now scroll down the list to El Salvador, which ranks at #89. Which one is the murder capitol of the world? With the type of reasoning you use, it must be the USA. But it's not. It just so happens to be the country that ranks 89th in gun ownership. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...llegal-immigration-to-united-states/78358042/

But you want to continue blaming guns as being the reason for America's problems?

 

[miamited]

Hi CWB,

Just for the record. I served with the 2nd Battalion 10th Field Artillery attached to the 197th Infantry Brigade of Ft. Benning GA. I was a fire direction computer and my job was to compute the firing data for a howitzer battery.

When people talk about computers today, I can jokingly say, "I was a computer in my previous life."

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Here, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

From that link, you can see that the USA is #1 when it comes to gun ownership. It is the USA where you say gun violence is so bad. Now scroll down the list to El Salvador, which ranks at #89. Which one is the murder capitol of the world? With the type of reasoning you use, it must be the USA. But it's not. It just so happens to be the country that ranks 89th in gun ownership. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...llegal-immigration-to-united-states/78358042/

But you want to continue blaming guns as being the reason for America's problems?

Ah, this becomes so tiring after a while.

Yes, it is the U.S. where firearms violence is so bad. I have never said nor alluded that our nation had the worst firearms violence rate in the world. I have always and forever merely claimed that our rate is soooooooo much higher than the nations that have strict ownership and possession laws regarding firearms.

So, honestly, if you think that my position doesn't hold water because we aren't the worst nation on this matter, I don't see how that makes sense. Yes, absolutely, per capita the citizens of the U.S. hold more firearms than most any other nation. So, it would seem that if you guys are right - that more firearms means less death - we should have the lowest rate in the world. Oddly enough, we don't.

BTW, for all those military guys out there, you do know that your gun hangs between your legs and is used for fun, right. I would think that would have been a pretty sure giveaway to CWB that I have had military service because you will find that I rarely refer to firearms as 'guns'. They are firearms or weapons in the military terminology.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Aldebaran]

Ah, this becomes so tiring after a while.

Yes, it is the U.S. where firearms violence is so bad. I have never said nor alluded that our nation had the worst firearms violence rate in the world. I have always and forever merely claimed that our rate is soooooooo much higher than the nations that have strict ownership and possession laws regarding firearms.

Well, El Salvador, where gun ownership is low, and is enjoyed by only those who have the means to afford it. Their gun control laws are not exactly lax either, as some claim they are here: El Salvador. With a 2010 murder rate of 66 overall murders per 100,000 people, El Salvador is ranked second for most murders per country worldwide. El Salvador requires background checks for gun permit applicants, and maintains a registry for every gun in civilian hands. El Salvador employed between 2006 and 2008 gun buyback schemes in a fruitless attempt to curb the murder rate; “the total number of firearms destroyed following recent amnesty, collection and seizure programmes is reported to be 28,036”. SOURCE: https://joejarvis.me/2014/01/20/gun-control-in-the-5-countries-with-highest-murder-rates/

See, they even have the permit and registry laws politicians on the left want for us. Let El Salvador be an example of how these laws DON'T work rather than forcing them on us and then wondering why it still doesn't work.

So, honestly, if you think that my position doesn't hold water because we aren't the worst nation on this matter, I don't see how that makes sense. Yes, absolutely, per capita the citizens of the U.S. hold more firearms than most any other nation. So, it would seem that if you guys are right - that more firearms means less death - we should have the lowest rate in the world. Oddly enough, we don't.

Well, I don't see it as a competition as to who has the highest or lowest numbers. I'm simply trying to point out the fallacy in the "guns are so bad" argument, especially when that argument is used as an excuse to pass even more laws that restrict the rights of the law abiding.

 

[kingskid]

[emoji2]in Christ Ted? A gun hanging between legs does not seem Christ like to me! Sick is more like it! I really don't believe such nonsense.........that guns hang between legs. Your post is not from Christ!

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[Mudinyeri]

Personally, I would hope that as a nation we're smarter than that. To wait until we are absolutely the most dangerous place in the world to live to do something about the problem.

Violent crime has been on a downward trend in the U.S. for nearly three decades. We'll be waiting until Armageddon at this rate.

 

[Aldebaran]

Violent crime has been on a downward trend in the U.S. for nearly three decades. We'll be waiting until Armageddon at this rate.

It might come quicker if Hillary hurries up and gets into office and then gets all the gun restrictions she wants. Gotta get all these law abiding citizens' guns confiscated like they did in Australia so we can be safe again!

 

[Mudinyeri]

BTW, for all those military guys out there, you do know that your gun hangs between your legs and is used for fun, right. I would think that would have been a pretty sure giveaway to CWB that I have had military service because you will find that I rarely refer to firearms as 'guns'. They are firearms or weapons in the military terminology.

Yeah, they tell raw recruits in Basic that but mostly individual weapons are referred to by their military designation once you get out of Basic. M4, M9, Ma-Deuce, etc. [Edit: Rifle and pistol are also used frequently.] I can't ever recall hearing an individual weapon called a firearm during my time in the Army and I served on several inter-service teams. I frequently heard "guns" when referring to more than one individual weapon. I had to "learn" the term "firearm" when I started teaching Hunter Safety because the powers that be didn't want the term "weapon" to be used.

Based on your MOS, you were a long ways from any combat so I can see where you might think that the term gun was not used in the military. For those of us that carried weapons every day ... gun/guns was pretty common usage.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Then you post that you believe I've never had any military service and that's why I don't know that everyone on military bases aren't packing."

Re-read post #177....especially the last line.

now you're the one saying, "Well, military bases don't count".

There is a word people use when something untruthful is said abut them but they don't like that word here so I will just say you are untruthful. Please point out to me where I made the quoted comment.
I await your apology but won't hold my breath......

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yeah, they tell raw recruits in Basic that but mostly individual weapons are referred to by their military designation once you get out of Basic. M4, M9, Ma-Deuce, etc. I can't ever recall hearing an individual weapon called a firearm during my time in the Army and I served on several inter-service teams. I frequently heard "guns" when referring to more than one individual weapon. I had to "learn" the term "firearm" when I started teaching Hunter Safety because the powers that be didn't want the term "weapon" to be used.

Based on your MOS, you were a long ways from any combat so I can see where you might think that the term gun was not used in the military. For those of us that carried weapons every day ... gun/guns was pretty common usage.

I still have to force myself to use "firearm" and not "weapon" and I got out in '79.

 

[Mudinyeri]

I still have to force myself to use "firearm" and not "weapon" and I got out in '79.

You can relate to how hard it was for me to change my lexicon and not scare the little kiddos with the word "weapon." LOL

 

[Mudinyeri]

I thought I'd leave this here in case any of the Anti-Second Amendment folks in this thread wanted a primer on how to accomplish their objective.

A Gun-free America in Five Easy Steps

 

[Rhamiel]

I have not followed this entire thread
here is a question

for those of you who want to get rid of the private ownership of guns

how do you plan to stop a government if it becomes tyrannical?

 

[Mudinyeri]

... how do you plan to stop a government if it becomes tyrannical?

"Our government would never do that. That's just a silly, outdated notion" in 3 ... 2 ... 1.

 

[ScottA]

Why do some followers of the Prince of Peace think it is more important to protect the right of someone to buy an assault rifle than it is to protect the rights of people to not be shot by a stranger?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10440698.html?yptr=yahoo

I once again find myself asking this sort of question. I support some gun ownership - for hunting, for sport. But some guns just should not be available to civilians. It is mind boggling to me that so many - including some Christians - can not admit this to be true.

The problem is not with any one ideology or religion or even mental illness; the problem is with us. Until we, as fellow Americans, can stand up & petition for something to change - to "fight the good fight" - we will continue on this path where mass shootings are the norm. How can we be shocked when these things happen, at an elementary school or a church or a club? Until things change, these mass shootings will continue. Any one of us could be the victim.

My personal plea? Pray, of course, but not just pray. Act.

Write your senator, your representative. Donate, campaign. Whatever you think you should do. Let's be peacemakers.

Because we are under commandment to "subdue" the earth (which Christ did not cancel). Genesis 1:28

 

[civilwarbuff]

I have not followed this entire thread
here is a question

for those of you who want to get rid of the private ownership of guns

how do you plan to stop a government if it becomes tyrannical?

No problem. We are not of this earth so it is not our problem...or something like that...

 

[miamited]

[emoji2]in Christ Ted? A gun hanging between legs does not seem Christ like to me! Sick is more like it! I really don't believe such nonsense.........that guns hang between legs. Your post is not from Christ!

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Hi kingskid,

Lighten up! All those who have served in the military know what I'm saying and that is exactly the way your drill sergeant will say it to you. The rhyme that is used goes like this:

This is my weapon (as the soldier holds up his firearm)
This is my gun (as he reaches down and grabs his crotch)
This is for shootin' (again pushing forth the firearm)
This is for fun (again grabbing his crotch)

It has long been the standard teaching tool in the military to get soldiers to refer to their firearm as a weapon and not a gun. Since the discussion had turned to my having any military service, I knew that those who had been in the military would recognize the reference. So, climb back down off your horse before you hurt yourself or someone else.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[civilwarbuff]

Lighten up! All those who have served in the military know what I'm saying and that is exactly the way your drill sergeant will say it to you. The rhyme that is used goes like this:

Not any more.....you have women there

 

[miamited]

I have not followed this entire thread
here is a question

for those of you who want to get rid of the private ownership of guns

how do you plan to stop a government if it becomes tyrannical?

Hi rhamiel,

Timothy McVeigh did it with fertilizer. I rather imagine that if our government were ever to become tyrannical in nature, although as has been pointed out that's a pretty far fetched possibility with the form of government that we have, bombs would work much better and efficiently than firearms.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Not any more.....you have women there

Hi CWB,

uh-oh, I'm giving away my age aren't I?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted