Why do some Christians defend 2nd amend over lives?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I will guess you have not served either......

Watch the movie about
"The story of Desmond Doss, a US Army medic who was the first conscientious objector to be awarded the Medal of Honor."
BEFORE
you make any false guesses or claims against someone of whom the world is not worthy.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Watch the movie about
"The story of Desmond Doss, a US Army medic who was the first conscientious objector to be awarded the Medal of Honor."
BEFORE
you make any false guesses or claims against someone of whom the world is not worthy.

You did not answer the question......
And Doss served as a medic.....or "Doc" as they were referred to by soldiers......

 

[Mudinyeri]

So much of that is where we differ.

Differences make life interesting.

 

[4x4toy]

I will guess you have not served either......

I agree , and thanx for your service CWB , although I never served I have several in my family who have .. There's always those who show up after the smoke has cleared to then want to take over until they run and hide for cover the next time .. I just wonder at the testimony of these super Christians who claim they know better , do they operate under the full Gospel with gifts of the Spirit or signs that follow true believers or are they the first to criticize any other way than their own way .. They sound like the same loud ones at church who constantly come up with dumb ideas but want some one else to perform them ..

 

[civilwarbuff]

I agree , and thanx for your service CWB , although I never served I have several in my family who have .. There's always those who show up after the smoke has cleared to then want to take over until they run and hide for cover the next time .. I just wonder at the testimony of these super Christians who claim they know better , do they operate under the full Gospel with gifts of the Spirit or signs that follow true believers or are they the first to criticize any other way than their own way .. They sound like the same loud ones at church who constantly come up with dumb ideas but want some one else to perform them ..

You are most welcome......

 

[miamited]

That question before was just a 'reminder' to others that we don't count on the 1st nor the 2nd Amendments, nor on man's laws,
but on God.
Because someone had just suggested that you should think like they do because they 'protected' the 1st Amendment for you , or something like that.

OR, are you obligated to them, because they protected(if they did) your 1st Amendment Rights or anything at all, actually ?
(I don't think you nor we are obligated to them, as their values are totally different,
but I wanted to verify, with a positive expectation)

Hi jeff,

Oh, I get it. Right! As I posted earlier when someone accused me of not having the gumption to go out and put my money where my mouth is and therefore I wasn't really sold on my understanding. This ain't my home! I'd like to see the senseless murders and mass killings stop or at least abate, but I don't think there's even a slim chance of that under the current ideology of our nation.

But no, ultimately, it ain't my home.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[civilwarbuff]

Hi jeff,

Oh, I get it. Right! As I posted earlier when someone accused me of not having the gumption to go out and put my money where my mouth is and therefore I wasn't really sold on my understanding. This ain't my home! I'd like to see the senseless murders and mass killings stop or at least abate, but I don't think there's even a slim chance of that under the current ideology of our nation.

But no, ultimately, it ain't my home.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

You aren't of the world but you are in it.....you can stick you head in the sand and say that this is not your world or your can try to make it a better place while you are here. We may not agree on exactly how to do that but at least we can agree that we need to try.

 

[miamited]

How many have attacked oh, armed military installations, police stations or any other such places where they know people will be armed and able to resist?

Hi CWB,

Yes, I understand the position, but the fact is that our armed military stations have been attacked and several police stations have also been attacked.

Both Detroit and Dallas have had gunmen walk in and just start shooting at anyone. We recently had a mass killing on the Fort Hood military base that was one of the worst attacks on a military base in the states. Here's an attack on a base in San Antonio that by your definition would be a 'soft target'.

Two Glock handguns were found near the bodies Friday, and military officials are trying to determine whether Bellino was authorized to have a weapon on the base, where the possession of firearms is heavily restricted.

So, I'm not sure that your correlation is accurate. Once again I'll ask, do you have any proof of your claim? Anyway, you were wrong on your facts before and looks like you're batting a thousand.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi again CWB,

You wrote:

or your can try to make it a better place while you are here.

That's actually what I'm trying to do. The issue is what needs to be done to 'make it a better place'.

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

 

[civilwarbuff]

Hi CWB,

Yes, I understand the position, but the fact is that our armed military stations have been attacked and several police stations have also been attacked.

Both Detroit and Dallas have had gunmen walk in and just start shooting at anyone. We recently had a mass killing on the Fort Hood military base that was one of the worst attacks on a military base in the states. Here's an attack on a base in San Antonio that by your definition would be a 'soft target'.

Two Glock handguns were found near the bodies Friday, and military officials are trying to determine whether Bellino was authorized to have a weapon on the base, where the possession of firearms is heavily restricted.

So, I'm not sure that your correlation is accurate. Once again I'll ask, do you have any proof of your claim? Anyway, you were wrong on your facts before and looks like you're batting a thousand.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Detroit, Dallas......suspect shot dead.....maybe a pattern emerging here.
Fort Hood....Shooter, after attacking an unarmed processing station survives.....
San Antonio shooting.....Mental health issue
I am guessing you have never served otherwise you would not have made some of your comments.
Outside of MP and CID the military on base are unarmed. The only time I had live ammo was on the rifle range to qualify. Even on guard duty guarding ammo storage areas we were not armed.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Hi again CWB,

You wrote:


That's actually what I'm trying to do. The issue is what needs to be done to 'make it a better place'.

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

Here is the whole quote which you seemed reluctant to post.....

You aren't of the world but you are in it.....you can stick you head in the sand and say that this is not your world or your can try to make it a better place while you are here. We may not agree on exactly how to do that but at least we can agree that we need to try.

 

[chandraclaws]

And of course you come to this conclusion because you have used a firearm before on multiple occasiions or because you were military and are familiar with weapons of war....or maybe because you are simply repeating the leftist mantra?

Or maybe you just don't have a legitimate response...

 

[civilwarbuff]

Or maybe you just don't have a legitimate response...

You did not answer the question....or maybe you just did.....

 

[miamited]

Hi CWB,

You're a humorous person. You first defend your position by asking if any of these events have happened on military bases or police stations. Your point being that the people who perpetrate these attacks wouldn't choose places where folks are carrying. Then when evidence is offered of such, you backpedal as fast as you can and claim that, well, no military bases don't qualify as the kinds of targets that you first tried to propose that they are.

It's funny to see how folks twist and turn the truth however it needs to be to support their position just because they want to hold some cold steel in their hands or have some puffed up idea that owning a firearm is a 'right'.

Ok, look, you're welcome to believe what you believe and support your belief however you'd like to do that. It's ok with me. But, the born again believer is always seeking for the truth. Not making it up as he goes along.

My testimony is plain and simple. The evidentiary correlation between firearms restrictions and homicide firearms deaths among the various nations of the world seem to clearly point to tough laws and restrictions of firearms among the general public reduces such deaths. That's it. No twisting. No turning. Plain and simple. Now, each one is free to believe what they believe is the truth, but the evidence seems to clearly point to that being the case.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi CWB,

You responded to me:

I am guessing you have never served otherwise you would not have made some of your comments.

You're wrong about that, too.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Mudinyeri]

We recently had a mass killing on the Fort Hood military base that was one of the worst attacks on a military base in the states.

Military bases are gun free zones, ironically enough. Military personnel are not allowed to carry loaded weapons on military bases unless they are participating in a range, live fire activity. It's odd that you claim to have served in the military but are unaware of this.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You're a humorous person. You first defend your position by asking if any of these events have happened on military bases or police stations. Your point being that the people who perpetrate these attacks wouldn't choose places where folks are carrying. Then when evidence is offered of such, you backpedal as fast as you can and claim that, well, no military bases don't qualify as the kinds of targets that you first tried to propose that they are.

Let's see 2 police station shooting; both suspects killed. Why? Because police officers are armed.
I am gonna take a WAG and say you were never military. You probably think that soldiers walk all over the base with M4's slung over their shoulders or 45's strapped to their hips. Nothing can be further from the truth. Even now concealed carry is only at the base commanders discretion
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...ers-authorize-troops-carry-guns-us-bases.html and personal firearms could only be kept at base housing (not billets) and had to be registered on base.
So, at most places on military bases if an active shooter shows up you are at their mercy until the MP's arrive......and soldiers die because they are unarmed.

Saw your statement about serving after this; the rest i stand by.

 

[Aldebaran]

My testimony is plain and simple. The evidentiary correlation between firearms restrictions and homicide firearms deaths among the various nations of the world seem to clearly point to tough laws and restrictions of firearms among the general public reduces such deaths. That's it. No twisting. No turning. Plain and simple. Now, each one is free to believe what they believe is the truth, but the evidence seems to clearly point to that being the case.

Maybe you'd feel better living in a place like El Salvador, where they don't enjoy the same freedom that we do here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/22/el-salvador-worlds-most-homicidal-place

 

[miamited]

Hi CWB,

I'm actually more and more humored the more I share with you. You have twice now made the comment that you don't think I've had any military service even though I clearly told you that you were wrong the first time you said so. You won't even believe the truth when it's given to you in black and white, so I'm not surprised that you can't discern truth in many other things.

Your responded:

You probably think that soldiers walk all over the base with M4's slung over their shoulders or 45's strapped to their hips.

Listen, friend, you're the one who said these things don't happen on military bases because everyone's packing. Not me! I responded with only a couple of incidences where such things have happened on military bases and now you're the one saying, "Well, military bases don't count". Then you post that you believe I've never had any military service and that's why I don't know that everyone on military bases aren't packing." Huh?????? I'm not the one who alluded to the fact that they are. You did!!!

You really do make this stuff up as you go along, huh?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Maybe you'd feel better living in a place like El Salvador, where they don't enjoy the same freedom that we do here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/22/el-salvador-worlds-most-homicidal-place

Hi aldebaran,

Why would you think I'd feel better living in El Salvador? I'm perfectly satisfied with where I live for now. However, just because there is a place on the planet, and there are actually a few, where firearms violence is worse than it is here merely proves my position. If you research the laws in those countries regarding firearms possession and ownership, you'll find that they are even more lax than we are and therefore have even higher such death rates. Personally, I would hope that as a nation we're smarter than that. To wait until we are absolutely the most dangerous place in the world to live to do something about the problem.

However, it looks like we may well do. Time will tell.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted