You seem to think the founders of this country just had a bunch of lame ideas when they created the constitution, which the basic structure has allowed 315 million people (at the current count) to live in the country that enjoys the most freedom in history. Yeah, pretty lame, isn't it? You don't seem to realize what you have and what the cost was to achieve or defend it.
Hi aldebaran,
No, that's not at all what I think. I think the founders of our country were very brave and courageous mean and that their attempt was certainly a difficult and onerous one. I don't take lightly anything that they did and respect them greatly for their fine work and agree with you that the work they did has withstood the test of time and served our nation well.
However, I don't believe that their work was any more 'perfect' than a lot of other people who have founded nations. I'm sure that the people who established Canada were fine men who felt a great responsibility in the work that they did to establish Canada as a nation. I don't subscribe to this idea that Americans are somehow 'better' than other people.
We are all just people. Each and every one of us with the same legacy from Adam through Noah. Some nation governments are better than others. But, the people under those governments, for the most part, all have the same hopes and dreams. All wanting safety and security for their families and to be able to provide for them their daily needs.
We are actually, on the whole, a very spoiled people and sadly look down our noses at those in 'third world countries'. But you know what? That mother and father in that 'third world country' want the best for their children. Certainly what the two families might consider 'best' is likely very different. Here, we want our children to have fine college educations. There they want their children to have food to eat. And I think, here on the these supposed boards filled with Christians, that we need to remember that God provides for them and cares for them just as much as He does you or I.
But these ideas that our Constitution was somehow inspired by God or that it's a more than perfect document that should never need to be adjusted or changed, to me, is simply silly.
As I said before in an earlier post, when those men sat down and dipped their quill pen in the ink well and wrote out the words of the 2nd amendment, I'm absolutely positive that they never once intended that those words support what we are using them to support today.
I'm completely confident that if they had even had an inkling of an idea that their words would be used to defend someone owning a deadly weapon capable of firing off 50, 100 rounds in mere moments, the response would have been, "Ye gads, we need to reword this." I give them credit for being wise men and so I'm confident that in their wisdom they would have known the dangers that such a position would put us in.
But they didn't have God's omniscience. All they knew was that a man, if he was really good with a musket, could kill two or three people in 5 minutes and would have to stop and reload between every shot. They also put that passage in there for the purpose of making sure that our nation would be able to defend itself if needed. That's what they actually wrote was the purpose of personal firearms ownership. In order that a free state might have a 'well regulated' militia.
Well regulated militia! We have gotten so far away from that being the purpose for us owning firearms that it honestly isn't even funny.
And now we listen to those who support the continuance of this murderous carnage try to tell us that this idea of infringing on the private ownership of firearms for just any purpose, is a 'natural right'? We listen to those who would try to convince us that we shouldn't attempt to correct this one error in our founding father's efforts to establish a more perfect union because the document was 'inspired by God'?
And the terribly sad thing to me, is that you guys honestly believe these things. Our constitution is nothing more than the work of a fine group of men to establish the United States as a self-standing nation. It is the document which was to lay out some of our beliefs and intentions. It isn't any different, in intent, than any other nations articles of governance and I'm quite sure that it wasn't inspired by God.
Over on the other side of the pond, we were just a bunch of traitorous hoodlums who had bitten the hand that fed us. Some group of men decided that our not having representation in the British government and, I imagine, the slow and ponderous rate at which things were able to get done because of the great separation of an ocean between us, that we should be our own nation. Steps were taken to do that.
I agree with the OP that this fight to retain the 2nd amendment doesn't seem like the kind of thing that a born again follower of the Lord, Jesus, would be fighting for. What I see here are several who are 'pound of flesh' folks. "Man, if someone tries to hurt me or my family, I want my pound of flesh." That isn't, for me, what the Scriptures teach. They don't even realize that the very reason they live in fear of someone doing such a thing as to attack them with a firearm is their own doing.
Then they tell us that if we try to make laws against private firearms ownership, that the criminals will just run amok and mow us all down at every opportunity. Folks, that isn't happening in the places where firearms are strictly regulated. Has a single one of you every described Canada to a friend as a place where all the criminals are running around with firearms having their way over the people? Japan? Australia? Great Britain?
Where do you guys come up with these excuses?
God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted
