Why do some 'Christians' believe that Hell is not eternal?

[Tayla]

the opposite to enternal life should be enternal death.

Life is a state, a condition, that can be enjoyed forever. Death is merely a momentary transition from one kind of life (body and soul) to another (soul with no body). Perhaps someone could be eternally dying, but the word death doesn't imply anything more than having a soul, but not having a body.

I suppose you could say that death is this condition of having a soul but not having a body, and I suppose this could be eternal.

 

[Tayla]

speaking of whishful thinking, you catholics believe in purgatory.

The Bible teaches purgatory so I believe it. But purgatory has nothing to do with hell. Purgatory is merely the cleansing of the soul so it becomes fit for eternity in the presence of God.

 

[Tayla]

yes people get different punishment, like someone feels 10000 deegress and the other one only feels 400 deegrees.

The body would be destroyed by even 400 degrees Fahrenheit. The soul can't feel heat because heat is an aspect of the physical realm but the soul resides in the spiritual realm. Feeling heat requires a body.

 

[Tayla]

To me the concept of hell flies in the face of any concept of a just and compassionate God. Hell would seem to be an entirely human invention based on a vindictive concept of retributory justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of hell. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of God. I completely reject the concept of hell as it is traditionally understood in most Christian churches.

Yes.

 

[Tayla]

Because someone can't call themselves Christian if they don't believe that He'll is forever.

This view is not in the Nicene Creed.

 

[Tayla]

Tell that to people that tell me that Nontrinitarians can't be Christians, can't have it both ways.

The rules of the forum consider belief in the Trinity to be essential if I am remembering correctly.

 

[ronandcarol]

Why do some 'Christians' believe that He'll is not eternal?
They apparently haven't read the whole Bible.
ronandcarol

 

[Tayla]

Nobody puts themselves in hell on purpose.
Yes, they may end up there because of their sins, but that's not the same as "choosing to go to hell"

People choose hell by rejecting God's divine presence, preferring instead to cling to their sin. Judgment is not a courtroom but, rather, God shines his light upon us and we choose either to run to him, or else we are repelled from him. Those steeped in sin can't freely choose because they are in bondage, a slave to sin.

 

[Tayla]

If people ran to hell because they can't stand the presence of God then absolutely nobody would be debating this.

People steeped in sin don't run to hell on purpose; rather, they are repelled there, as if repelled by a magnet, when God shines his light upon them.

 

[1stcenturylady]

God knows the future, he did know that humans where gonna be sinners and end up in hell.

Angels, just like humans, will be tortured in hell and therefore hell is for everyone.

So when scripture says hell was made for Satan and his demons you believe God lied?

 

[mmksparbud]

yeah no more pain for those in heaven.

He does not qualify--He says no more pain---period. No need to add to His word.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

So when scripture says hell was made for Satan and his demons you believe God lied?

The Angel in this verse is Speaking to ANYONE who takes the mark of The Beast or worships the Beast in these verses:




Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If ANYONE worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of The Wrath Of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He Shall Be TORMENTED With Fire And Brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And The Smoke Of THEIR TORMENT Ascends FOREVER And EVER; and They Have No Rest Day Or Night, Who Worship The Beast and his image, and Whoever Receives The mark Of His Name.”

• Revelation 14:9-11

 

[mmksparbud]

Life is a state, a condition, that can be enjoyed forever. Death is merely a momentary transition from one kind of life (body and soul) to another (soul with no body). Perhaps someone could be eternally dying, but the word death doesn't imply anything more than having a soul, but not having a body.

I suppose you could say that death is this condition of having a soul but not having a body, and I suppose this could be eternal.

Eze_18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

There is no life possible without God. Sin can not live in the presence of a Holy God. There is no such thing as a living body without a soul. Both are required for there to be life. Adam was a soulless body before God breathed life into Him.

Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Without a soul you are dead---there is no bodiless soul tormenting in hell forever. God returns His breath if life to the lost when they are resurrected unto punishment. When they die, that spirit returns to Him again, permanently. They die the 2nd death.

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[mmksparbud]

Why do some 'Christians' believe that He'll is not eternal?
They apparently haven't read the whole Bible.
ronandcarol

Wrong they have, that is why they believe it is not eternal.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Wrong they have, that is why they believe it is not eternal.

What does "He Shall Be TORMENTED With Fire And Brimstone" mean to you ?

 

[Zoii]

I actually dont believe in hell.

 

[Abraxos]

It doesn't make sense to me at all, what do they think Hell* is for in that case?

"Eternal" is the English interpretation of the Greek word 'Aion', which basically means "a long period of time", or a time unclear to measure. This Greek word essentially entails that eternity in a context is finite, and thus it is in stark contrast with the conventional Christian understanding of eternal torment in Hell.

An insert from a previously similar thread: What exactly is hell?

What I learnt and this may be quite liberating to some, hell does not exist in the sense that many of us have understood it to be. Hell in Christendom as perceived by many is a very bad interpretation of Bible scripture. This whole doctrine of eternal torment in hell came from the dark ages and is a contorted version of influenced Greek mythology, and made popular through art and poetry like Dante's Inferno and some Christian sermons like "Sinners in the hands of an angry God."

In the Bible there is no such place. Satan is not the ruler of hell like Hades is the ruler of the underworld. It does speak of a "bottomless pit" (Revelation 9:1), but this refers to a place where God had chained the fallen angels reserved for judgement day. (Jude 6; Genesis 6:2). Hell in the Bible is depicted rather as a punishment that will come upon the wicked; And that punishment, the Bible gives us an example of what this punishment would be from what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah as God rained fire and brimstone from heaven onto the earth. (Genesis 19:24; Revelation 20:9).

The wicked will be judged and punished by hellfire and will die, not be tortured forever. I'd encourage you to read this good article on how hell became eternal: The Salvation Conspiracy: How Hell Became Eternal

What Does Jesus Mean by 'Their Worm Does Not Die' (Mark 9:44, 46, 48)?

 

[mmksparbud]

What does "He Shall Be TORMENTED With Fire And Brimstone" mean to you ?

That he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

That he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone.

Exactly. So, if a Human Person takes the Mark of The Beast or worships The Beast they will be Tormented with Fire and Brimstone.

 

[mmksparbud]

Exactly. So, if a Human Person takes the Mark of The Beast or worships The Beast they will be Tormented with Fire and Brimstone.

I never said they wouldn't be.