Why do some 'Christians' believe that Hell is not eternal?

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I never said they wouldn't be.

But you said Hell isn't Eternal.

The scripture Clearly and Plainly says that that they have No Rest Day or Night and that the Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever and Ever.

 

[mmksparbud]

But you said Hell isn't Eternal.

The scripture Clearly and Plainly says that that they have No Rest Day or Night and that the Smoke of their Torments Ascends Forever and Ever.

Read post #179---

Jud_1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Are Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities still burning??

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, SUFFERING The Vengeance Of Eternal Fire.
• Jude 1:7

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, Because I Am In AGONY IN THIS FIRE.
• Luke 16:24

 

[mmksparbud]

as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, SUFFERING The Vengeance Of Eternal Fire.

• Jude 1:7

Are they still burning???

 

[mmksparbud]

So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, Because I Am In AGONY IN THIS FIRE.
• Luke 16:24

And? It is a parable. Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

And? It is a parable. Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning?

The Bosom of Abraham Is/Was a real place and the rich man was Really Suffering. The people from Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering in Hell Right Now.

 

[mmksparbud]

The Bosom of Abraham Is/Was a real place and the rich man was Really Suffering. The people from Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering in Hell Right Now.

So you are one of those that believe you go to hell or heaven upon death, I assume. Which again brings up the fact that it makes Cain having burned in hell longer than anyone else possible could. And then what about judgement day? If we are all resurrected, either unto life or hell---why bother with a judgment day? The decision has already been made. Those that go to hell, are already there, those that go to heaven are already there. So why bother with a judgement day which decides where you go?

The scripture Clearly and Plainly says that that they have No Rest Day or Night and that the Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever and Ever.

The smoke ascends forever---it goes up into the heavens--where it dissipates--Did you read post #179?
There is no bosom of Abraham---it would be a pretty big bosom.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

So you are one of those that believe you go to hell or heaven upon death, I assume. Which again brings up the fact that it makes Cain having burned in hell longer than anyone else possible could. And then what about judgement day? If we are all resurrected, either unto life or hell---why bother with a judgment day? The decision has already been made. Those that go to hell, are already there, those that go to heaven are already there. So why bother with a judgement day which decides where you go?

The smoke ascends forever---it goes up into the heavens--where it dissipates--Did you read post #179?
There is no bosom of Abraham---it would be a pretty big bosom.

Well, The Lake Of Fire is the final judgement. Death and Hell are cast into the lake of fire along with everyone who's names are not written in the book of life:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and Shall Be Tormented Day And Night Forever and Ever.
• Revelation 20:10


Now really ask your self what happens to all people who's names are not written in The Book Of Life when they are cast into The Very Same lake of fire where The Beast, The False Prophet and The Devil are Being Tormented Day and Night Forever and Ever.

 

[mmksparbud]

Well, The Lake Of Fire is the final judgement. Death and Hell are cast into the lake of fire along with everyone who's names are not written in the book of life:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and Shall Be Tormented Day And Night Forever and Ever.
• Revelation 20:10


Now really ask your self what happens to all people who's names are not written in The Book Of Life when they are cast into The Very Same lake of fire where The Beast, The False Prophet and The Devil are Being Tormented Day and Night Forever and Ever.

They are tormented for whatever length of time and intensity their sins have made them eligible for. Their works will determine that. Then they at consumed and it is destroyed---sinners and sin completely gone forever. That is what happens with fire. It burns till there no longer any fuel to feed it.

Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

You didn't quote the verse before Rev 20:10----

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

They are tormented for whatever length of time and intensity their sins have made them eligible for. Their works will determine that. Then they at consumed and it is destroyed---sinners and sin completely gone forever. That is what happens with fire. It burns till there no longer any fuel to feed it.

Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

You didn't quote the verse before Rev 20:10----

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

So you think that The Beast, The False Prophet and The Devil will Be Tormented Day and Night Forever and Ever in the lake of fire but not humans who are Also in the very same lake of fire ?

 

[mmksparbud]

So you think that The Beast, The False Prophet and The Devil will Be Tormented Day and Night Forever and Ever in the lake of fire but not humans who are Also in the very same lake of fire ?

Everything that goes into the lake of fire will eventually die--be totally consumed--including Satan and his angels. There will be no more pain.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Everything that goes into the lake of fire will eventually die--be totally consumed--including Satan and his angels. There will be no more pain.

What does Forever and Ever mean to you ?

 

[mmksparbud]

What does Forever and Ever mean to you ?

What does no more pain, no more tears, everything made new, all former things passed away mean to you? What does 2nd death mean to you--what does devour mean to you? What did God tell Adam and Eve the price of eating of the tree would be? Did He say burn forever and ever? What did Satan say--thou shalt not surely die---if the wicked live forever, then he was right, God lied to them. Death is death---all thoughts cease, all awareness ceases.

(Psa 6:5) For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Please quote the verse that states death equals eternal life.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

What does no more pain, no more tears, everything made new, all former things passed away mean to you? What does 2nd death mean to you--what does devour mean to you? What did God tell Adam and Eve the price of eating of the tree would be? Did He say burn forever and ever? What did Satan say--thou shalt not surely die---if the wicked live forever, then he was right, God lied to them. Death is death---all thoughts cease, all awareness ceases.

(Psa 6:5) For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Please quote the verse that states death equals eternal life.

You didn't answer. What does Forever and Ever Mean to you ?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

And Now I'm going to explain why you hold a heretical view of Hell. It's because you are apart of the Seventh Day Adventists:

Here's her Grave under a Masonic Obelisk

 

[mmksparbud]

And Now I'm going to explain why you hold a heretical view of Hell. It's because you apart of the Seventh Day Adventists:

LOL!!! Get your facts straight! She was totally opposed to secret societies.

I spoke ... plainly and in clear lines in reference to his past work and what a loss it had been to the office. His connection with Free Masonry had absorbed his time and blunted his spiritual perception. His mind, his thoughts, had been upon this body, this association; and there were infidels, winebibbers, and every class. And he was bound up with these secret organizations. There was only one thing he could do—sever his connection with them and be wholly on the Lord’s side; for he could not possibly serve God and mammon. {Ev 621.1}

The Lord’s injunction, “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers,” refers not only to the marriage of Christians with the ungodly, but to all alliances in which the parties are brought into intimate association, and in which there is need of harmony in spirit and action.... {Ev 617.4}
While there may be in these societies much that appears to be good, there is, mingled with this, very much that makes the good of no effect, and renders these associations detrimental to the interests of the soul.... {Ev 619.1}

Now, this thread is not about SDA's---it is about an eternally burning hell. It is about what the bible says about it, not what the pope, or EGW or anyone else says about it. Stick to the subject.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

LOL!!! Get your facts straight! She was totally opposed to secret societies.

Yet, There They Are making The "Hidden Hand" Hand Sign by putting their hand in their coat.

I'll make another thread so we can talk about it there.

 

[mmksparbud]

Yet, There They Are making The "Hidden Hand" Hand Sign by putting their hand in their coat.

I'll make another thread so we can talk about it there.

She always was opposed to Masons. What some members did was not at her suggestion. She cautioned them to resign from these secret societies.

 

[Hieronymus]

You didn't answer.

Neither did you...
I'm not sure about the Greek text from which it originates, but you may find some things there.
For the rest, how much weight do you want to give this verse to make it tip the scales ?