Why do SDA preach

[ozso]

There is no scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" According to the scriptures the Sabbath is "the Lords day" see Matthew 12:8.

Early Christians started calling Sunday the Lord's Day because the resurrection took place on a Sunday.

Scripturally, the Day of the Lord is the second coming of Christ Acts of the Apostles 2:17-21; 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Psa 111:7 The works of his hands are faithful and just; all his precepts are trustworthy;

Psa 111:8 they are established forever and ever, to be performed with faithfulness and uprightness.

Yes, all of His precepts. But Adventists do not observe all of His precepts. Because, like the others you are speaking to in this thread, they see some of them as fulfilled. For instance, the first fruits is a statute forever. Work is forbidden. But no one is claiming in this thread that we should observe it.

Lev 23:21 And you shall make a proclamation on the same day. You shall hold a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a statute forever in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.

Proverbs 30:5,6 This includes God's holy laws that God personally wrote and is stored in the ark of the Most Holy in God's Temple.

Pro 30:5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Pro 30:6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

Indeed, all of His words are true. And yes, it includes the ten commandments. But it also includes all the commandments.

Yet some of those commandments you do not think have to be observed.

I noted, in response to your statement, that in context Psalm 89:34 is talking about the covenant with the house of David, fulfilled in Christ, who reigns on David's throne. You did not seem to dispute that. I pointed it out so that you could limit your evidence to the best examples of what you are saying.

If you state all of God's words are upheld, but then only observe some of them, (as do those you are speaking with as well), then the conversation needs to be about why some are still observed, and others are not, rather than general statements about all of God's words being upheld.

Hello tall73 nice to see you again. Just wondering why about your post here. Perhaps I do not understand it. You throw up old covenant scriptures here from the Mosiac "shadow laws" written in the book of the old covenant *Exodus 24:7 knowing we are in the new covenant now not the old covenant and say that Adventist do not keep them? Which I do not have a problem with because we are in the new covenant now. So why do we no longer do animal sacrifices today, keep the Feast days practice circumcision? Well of course much of the Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins have been fulfilled and continued in Christ under the new covenant and God's plan of salvation as revealed in the new covenant (no more shadow laws of the Levitical Priesthood, the old covenant laws for remission of sins, the Feast days and circumcision etc which are fulfilled and continued in Christ). On the other hand Gods eternal laws (10 commandments) under the new covenant have the same role that they have always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral wrong doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172; James 2:10-11. So if what I have posted here is God's Word and I believe it is what is the point you are making here? I do not see one accept to make false claims that Adventists are not following all the Word of God but from the scriptures provided in this post it is evident that we do. Unless your trying to argue we should forget the new covenant and every time we sin go out and find a Levite Priest who owns an earthly Sanctuary and offer up animal sacrifices and keep the Feast days and get circumcised? I am sure you do not believe Christians are required to do this now do you? Therefore what is your point of this post? I do not see you have made one based on the scriptures against God's 10 commandments still being a requirement and the standard of Christian living under the new covenant which of course includes Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; James 2:10-11).

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Early Christians started calling Sunday the Lord's Day because the resurrection took place on a Sunday.

Scripturally, the Day of the Lord is the second coming of Christ Acts of the Apostles 2:17-21; 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

Hi MMXX, nice to see you again. You might find it interesting if you do some digging around here. There is not one scripture that says "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. The only reference to the Lords day is found in Matthew 12:8 where Jesus says that the son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day. If you disagree your welcome to provide me a scripture that says otherwise.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't think you answered the question. Are ALL FLESH assembling on the Sabbath currently? (Or on the new moon). And if you simply take it as time periods, then it is month to month and week to week. I don't think that is what it is saying, given the texts already presented regarding assembly on the Sabbath (and new moon). And you don't seem to think that is what it is saying either since you specifically note the Sabbath. But you treat the new moon differently.

I know this is posted to someone else so I hope you do not mind me putting in a few comments. The scripture says...

Isaiah 66:22-23 [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.

Why do you think anyone has any problems with people gathering together to worship God in the new earth on the new moons and every Sabbath? I always wondered why people bring this up to try and counter the scripture saying verbatim that in the new earth Gods' people will be still keeping the Sabbath. If God says that "from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD" should we just not believe God's Word as it is written? Or do you believe that God saying from one new moon to another shall all flesh come to worship before me deletes God saying and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD?

Should we just not believe what God's Word says rather then trying to delete what he says?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Colossians 2:16 —
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”

All scholars agree that Paul here refers to yearly feasts, monthly rituals and weekly Sabbath worship. These are representative of all the Jewish religious rituals.

Well none of that is true. You do know that it was the so called scholars in the days of Jesus that denied God's Word and crucified him right? Actually most scholars are in disagreement as to what Colossians 2:16 is saying for example...

Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, "of the Sabbaths." The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - "the Sabbath," it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as "a shadow of good things to come." These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
the sabbath—Omit "THE," which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on [2419]Ga 4:10). "Sabbaths" (not "the sabbaths") of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Le 23:32, 37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Le 23:38 expressly distinguished "the sabbath of the Lord" from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb 4:9, "rests," Greek, "keeping of sabbath" (Isa 66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Ro 13:8-10).

For me I am not into the scholars as I know you will not find the truth of God's Word there in consensus. It was the so called scholars in the day of Jesus that denied the very Christ the Word of God testified of. I am only posting the above to show your claims in regards to the scholars being unanimous in their view of Colombians 2:16 is is not true. By the way I have not even posted anything at all from SDA scholars. The above scholars are Sunday keepers.

For me I believe we need to study God's Word for ourselves asking God to be our guide and teacher which is part of God's new covenant promise to all those who believe and follow God's Word (Hebrews 8:11; John 14:26: John 16:13: John 7:17: 1 John 2:17; John 8:31-32).

As posted earlier if you look at the context of Colossians 2:16 you will see that Colossians 2:16 is not talking about the "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 4th commandment. It is talking about the sabbaths or sabbath days (Genitive neuter plural in the Greek) not singular while the scripture context is to the meat and drink offerings and new moons and sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days which is the scripture context. According to the scriptures there were many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant. In the annual Feast days for example that Colossians 2:16 is talking about there were many sabbaths that were linked directly to certain Feasts and would fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. These Feast day sabbaths (not Gods 4th commandment) included for example; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. So context of Colossians 2:16 is to the Sabbaths in the annual Feast days being a "shadow of things to come" Colossians 2:17 not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments because God's 4th commandment does not point forward to things to come but backwards to the finished work of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth as a memorial of creation - "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I would say that a lot of us do exactly that, but we do not make it a requirement of the worship of Christ. I know that for myself.....the witnessing and preaching of Christ so as men can be saved, far exceeds the idea of a Holy day that was given to the JEWS.

I see, so how do you keep the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments by breaking the Sabbath when the scriptures tell us that by breaking the law we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4? How can anyone claim to know God when God's Word says And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:3-4). Is not what you have posted above a contradiction of the scriptures? By the way there was no Jew, no Moses, and no Israel when Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3 so not sure what your trying to argue here.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Then what does the part that keeps getting edited out mean? ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings. Leviticus 23:3

Here perhaps I can help MMXX. Leviticus 23 is in reference to the days of holy convocation under the annual Feast days. The Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment although a weekly commandment is included here because the annual Feasts included other sabbaths or days of holy convocation linked directly to the Feast days and these would change depending on the yearly cycle and some Feast days went longer than 7 days. So in the Hebrew "a holy convocation" (קֹדֶשׁ ; מִקְרָא) which the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment fitted into in the annual Feast days means a "a calling out to a public meeting or sacred place". So God's people that kept the Feasts of the old covenant were already at the sacred place they were called out to go to keep the Feast days when they were keeping God's "seventh day" Sabbath but they were still expected to keep Gods' 4th commandment when at the annual Feast days.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[ozso]

According to the scriptures if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 we stand guilty before God of sin *1 John 3:4. If any of us continue living in a life of known unrepentant sin once we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17 and reject it, is a pretty BIG deal in God's eyes because we will be in danger of the judgement (see Hebrews 10:26-31). Our opinions do not really matter much here. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment in favor of man-made teachings. Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. Do you believe these words of Jesus?

The old problem always arises with this, because James 2:10 says "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.". And we all know that everyone, except Jesus, is guilty of this. Keeping the parts of the Law SDA teaches to keep, doesn't cut it. It's all or nothing. 99.9% of Law keeping won't save you.

 

[ozso]

Here perhaps I can help MMXX. Leviticus 23 is in reference to the days of holy convocation under the annual Feast days. The Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment although a weekly commandment is included here because the annual Feasts included other sabbaths or days of holy convocation linked directly to the Feast days and these would change depending on the yearly cycle and some Feast days went longer than 7 days. So in the Hebrew "a holy convocation" (קֹדֶשׁ ; מִקְרָא) which the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment fitted into in the annual Feast days means a "a calling out to a public meeting or sacred place". So God's people that kept the Feasts of the old covenant were already at the sacred place they were called out to go to keep the Feast days when they were keeping God's "seventh day" Sabbath but they were still expected to keep Gods' 4th commandment when at the annual Feast days.

Hope this makes sense.

So the Sabbath is only a holy convocation at certain times, such as Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and the like. Do SDA observe all those feast days? Do you even know what they are all called, and their meaning, and when they take place without looking it up?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The old problem always arises with this, because James 2:10 says "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.". And we all know that everyone, except Jesus, is guilty of this. Keeping the parts of the Law SDA teaches to keep, doesn't cut it. It's all or nothing. 99.9% of Law keeping won't save you.

For me I do not have a problem with this scripture MMXX. Is your name Max by the way? If so do you mind me calling you Max? The scripture in James 2:10-11 is specific to subject matter which is the 10 commandments and says if we break any one of God's 10 commandments which is the subject matter we stand guilty before God of sin or breaking his law which the bible defines as sin in 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20. This of course includes God's 4th commandment which is one of Gods 10 commandments. According to the scriptures it is not God's will that any of us practice known unrepentant sin but if any of us sin we have an advocate with the father Jesus Christ the righteous *1 John 2:1-2 and if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us for our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness *1 John 1:9. This is why Jesus says to us unless we are born again into God's new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) we will not enter into the Kingdom of heaven (John 3:3-7) because those who are born again according to the scriptures do not practice known unrepentant sin *1 John 3:6-9. Sin (breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following Gods' Word - James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23) according to the scriptures is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17: Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So the Sabbath is only a holy convocation at certain times, such as Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and the like. Do SDA observe all those feast days? Do you even know what they are all called, and their meaning, and when they take place without looking it up?

No we do not observe those feast days because they are shadows pointing to things to come under the new covenant and are linked to the "shadow laws" for remission of sins that are now fulfilled in Christ. For example 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. For me personally though I do not judge anyone for keeping them. Especially if they understand what those Feasts point to in the new covenant. Yes I know there meaning and what they represent.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

A new moon in the context of assembly does not just mean month. They would have a burnt offering on the new moon:

Num 28:11 “At the beginnings of your months, you shall offer a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish;
Num 28:12 also three tenths of an ephah of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with oil, for each bull, and two tenths of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with oil, for the one ram;
Num 28:13 and a tenth of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering for every lamb; for a burnt offering with a pleasing aroma, a food offering to the LORD.
Num 28:14 Their drink offerings shall be half a hin of wine for a bull, a third of a hin for a ram, and a quarter of a hin for a lamb. This is the burnt offering of each month throughout the months of the year.
Num 28:15 Also one male goat for a sin offering to the LORD; it shall be offered besides the regular burnt offering and its drink offering.

Indications of assembly, and grouping with the Sabbath:

2Ki 4:22 Then she called to her husband and said, “Send me one of the servants and one of the donkeys, that I may quickly go to the man of God and come back again.”
2Ki 4:23 And he said, “Why will you go to him today? It is neither new moon nor Sabbath.” She said, “All is well.”

Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

Eze_46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Amo_8:5 saying, “When will the new moon be over, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may offer wheat for sale, that we may make the ephah small and the shekel great and deal deceitfully with false balances,

I generally agree with this but there is nothing in Isaiah 66:22-23 that says that the new moons in the new earth will be the same as those of the old covenant. So this is a moot argument in my view unless your trying to read that into the scriptures. If we are being honest it does not say that in Isaiah 66:22-23. We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant and we know that under the new covenant the Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins are fulfilled and continued in Christ based on better promises *Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrew 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22 and these old covenant laws are no longer a requirement for new covenant believer in Christ. So what is your argument here about not keeping the Sabbath in the new earth? You have not made one. According to the scriptures the new moons were for times ans seasons and appointed time (Feast days) *Genesis 1:14; Psalms 81:3. Why would you think there will not be new moons in the new earth when God says that there will be? Forgive me but following your conversation here is very confusing.

Below are many of the annual Feast days and their required offerings including the continual daily burnt offering, the Sabbath offerings, the new moon offerings etc. This is not exhaustive as I would not be able to fit all the scriptures in but if you read the scriptures provided you will see that animal sacrifices, sin offerings for atonement, a Levite Priest as well as an earthly Sanctuary were all a requirement for the annual Feast days of the old covenant.

The Continual Burnt Offering (daily)

Numbers 28:3-8 [3], And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering. [4], The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even [5], And a tenth part of an ephah of flour for a meat offering, mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil. [6], It is a continual burnt offering, which was ordained in mount Sinai for a sweet savour, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD. [7], And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering. [8], And the other lamb shalt thou offer at even: as the meat offering of the morning, and as the drink offering thereof, thou shalt offer it, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

Sabbath offerings (weekly)

Numbers 28:9-10 [9], And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:
[10], This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

New Moon offerings (Monthly animal sacrifice)

Numbers 28:11-13 [11], And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;
[12], And three tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, for one bullock; and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, for one ram; [13], And a several tenth deal of flour mingled with oil for a meat offering unto one lamb; for a burnt offering of a sweet savoir, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD. [14], And their drink offerings shall be half an hin of wine unto a bullock, and the third part of an hin unto a ram, and a fourth part of an hin unto a lamb: this is the burnt offering of every month throughout the months of the year. [15], And one kid of the goats for a sin offering unto the LORD shall be offered, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

Passover/Unleavened Bread (Passover animal sacrifices)

Numbers 28:11-24 [11], And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;
[12], And three tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, for one bullock; and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, for one ram; [13], And a several tenth deal of flour mingled with oil for a meat offering unto one lamb; for a burnt offering of a sweet savoir, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD. [14], And their drink offerings shall be half an hin of wine unto a bullock, and the third part of an hin unto a ram, and a fourth part of an hin unto a lamb: this is the burnt offering of every month throughout the months of the year. [15], And one kid of the goats for a sin offering unto the LORD shall be offered, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering. [16], And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. [17], And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
[18], In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: [19], But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: [20], And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram;
[21], A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
[22], And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you.
[23], Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. [24], After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savoir unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.[25], And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.

Day of First Fruits (animal sacrifices)

Numbers 28:26-31 [26], Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the LORD, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: [27], But ye shall offer the burnt offering for a sweet savour unto the LORD; two young bullocks, one ram, seven lambs of the first year; [28], And their meat offering of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals unto one bullock, two tenth deals unto one ram, [29], A several tenth deal unto one lamb, throughout the seven lambs; [30], And one kid of the goats, to make an atonement for you. [31], Ye shall offer them beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, (they shall be unto you without blemish) and their drink offerings.

Feast of Trumpet (Prior to the Day of Atonement; animal sacrifices and High Priest)

Numbers 29:1-6
[1], And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.
[2], And ye shall offer a burnt offering for a sweet savoir unto the LORD; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year without blemish:
[3], And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram,
[4], And one tenth deal for one lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
[5], And one kid of the goats for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you:
[6], Beside the burnt offering of the month, and his meat offering, and the daily burnt offering, and his meat offering, and their drink offerings, according unto their manner, for a sweet savoir, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD.

Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur; animal sacrifices and High Priest)

Leviticus 16:5-10, 20-22 [5] From the Israelite community he is to take two male goats for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering. [6] “Aaron is to offer the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household. [7] Then he is to take the two goats and present them before the Lord at the entrance to the tent of meeting. [8] He is to cast lots for the two goats—one lot for the Lord and the other for the scapegoat. 9 Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the Lord and sacrifice it for a sin offering. [10] But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to be used for making atonement by sending it into the wilderness as a scapegoat ....[20] “When Aaron has finished making atonement for the Most Holy Place, the tent of meeting and the altar, he shall bring forward the live goat. [21] He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the goat away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. [22] The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.

Numbers 29:7-11
[7], And ye shall have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein:
[8], But ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD for a sweet savour; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year; they shall be unto you without blemish:
[9], And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals to a bullock, and two tenth deals to one ram,
[10], A several tenth deal for one lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
[11], One kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the sin offering of atonement, and the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering of it, and their drink offerings.

Feast of Tabernacles (Feast of booths; animal sacrifice)

Numbers 29:12-40 [12], And on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days:[13], And ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD; thirteen young bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year; they shall be without blemish: [14], And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals unto every bullock of the thirteen bullocks, two tenth deals to each ram of the two rams, [15], And a several tenth deal to each lamb of the fourteen lambs: [16], And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering. [17], And on the second day ye shall offer twelve young bullocks, two rams, fourteen lambs of the first year without spot: [18], And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: [19], And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering thereof, and their drink offerings. [20], And on the third day eleven bullocks, two rams, fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish; [21], And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: [22], And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering. [23], And on the fourth day ten bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: [24], Their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: [25], And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering. [26], And on the fifth day nine bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without spot:[27], And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: [28], And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering. [29], And on the sixth day eight bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: [30], And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: [31], And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering. [32], And on the seventh day seven bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: [33], And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: [34], And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering. [35], On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work therein:[36], But ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savoir unto the LORD: one bullock, one ram, seven lambs of the first year without blemish: [37], Their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullock, for the ram, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: [38], And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering. [39], These things ye shall do unto the LORD in your set feasts, beside your vows, and your freewill offerings, for your burnt offerings, and for your meat offerings, and for your drink offerings, and for your peace offerings. [40], And Moses told the children of Israel according to all that the LORD commanded Moses.

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As shown above under the old covenant Mosiac laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifice were a very important part of not only daily but weekly (Sabbath), new moons, and the annual Feast days. These practices of course being "shadows of things to come" *Colossians 2:17 and the body being of Christ. Therefore under the new covenant these laws have no application in the new earth as old covenant "shadow laws" did. That said why cant God make new appointed times based on new moons and Sabbaths for all to come and worship Him in the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23)?

 

[ozso]

No we do not observe those feast days because they are shadows pointing to things to come under the new covenant and are linked to the "shadow laws" for remission of sins that are now fulfilled in Christ. For example 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. For me personally though I do not judge anyone for keeping them. Especially if they understand what those Feasts point to in the new covenant. Yes I know there meaning and what they represent.

Sounds like SDA see it the same way as the rest of Christianity, but only up to a certain point.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sounds like SDA see it the same way as the rest of Christianity, but only up to a certain point.

What do you think that certain point would be?

 

[ozso]

For me I do not have a problem with this scripture MMXX. Is your name Max by the way? If so do you mind me calling you Max?

My name is Brian Kelly. MMXX are Roman numerals for 2020, which is the year I joined CF. Maybe someday I'll come up with something better and ask to have it changed.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My name is Brian Kelly. MMXX are Roman numerals for 2020, which is the year I joined CF. Maybe someday I'll come up with something better and ask to have it changed.

Arr ok thanks Brian fair enough my name is David nice to meet you .

 

[ozso]

What do you think that certain point would be Max?

You tell me. At what point do shadow laws become laws Christians have to keep according to SDA? Mostly all I know of is their piecemeal keeping of the sabbath and not eating pork and shellfish.

 

[ozso]

I bet (figuratively speaking) if I asked a Rabbi if SDA keep the Mosaic Law, he would tell me they do not.

 

[ozso]

Arr ok thanks Brian fair enough my name is David nice to meet you .

Likewise

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You tell me. At what point to shadow laws become laws Christians have to keep according to SDA? Mostly all I know of is a piecemeal keeping of the sabbath and not eating pork and shellfish.

Well beside the dietary laws Brian which we still believe are applicable not everything in the old testament scriptures are shadow laws. According to the scriptures in Hebrews it is the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins under the old covenant that are fulfilled in Christ as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *John 1:29; John 1:36; Hebrews 10:10 and Jesus is now our Great High Priest of the order of Melchizedek according to Hebrews 7:1-25 who know ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary of which the earthly was only a copy based on better promises. So this whole old testament covenant or system of the laws for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood, under an earthly Sanctuary, animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision and the Feast days) are fulfilled and now continued in Christ under God's plan of salvation under the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-13; see also Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22. These being all "shadow laws" having their fulfillment in God's new covenant promise and the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17. Where we have "shadow sabbaths" in the annual Feast days pointing to Gods' work in the new covenant in the ministration of Jesus. The shadow sabbaths of the annual Feast days are not the same as God's 4th commandment which is a memorial of the finished work of creation so it actually points backwards and not forwards to things to come. As posted earlier to someone else already if you look at the context of Colossians 2:16 you will see that Colossians 2:16 is not talking about the "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 4th commandment. It is talking about the sabbaths or sabbath days (Genitive neuter plural in the Greek) not singular while the scripture context is to the meat and drink offerings and new moons and sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days which is the scripture context. According to the scriptures there were many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant. In the annual Feast days for example that Colossians 2:16 is talking about there were many sabbaths that were linked directly to certain Feasts and would fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. These Feast day sabbaths (not Gods 4th commandment) included for example; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. So context of Colossians 2:16 is to the Sabbaths in the annual Feast days being a "shadow of things to come" Colossians 2:17 not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments because God's 4th commandment does not point forward to things to come but backwards to the finished work of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth as a memorial of creation - "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy *Exodus 20:8.

Hope this is helpful.