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Why do SDA preach

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by Daniel Marsh, May 22, 2021.

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  1. mmksparbud

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    Bottom line, the Sabbath is a commandment from God---the New moon is not a commandment! Will it be observed on the new earth---apparently so. but it is not a commandment for this earth---the Sabbath is. And you have to understand what you read---all festivals were called sabbaths. But there was only one---THE SABBATH--

    LOL!!---
    You take one verse to determine doctrines!!?? Read the whole book of Revaluation!!! IT IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY ABOUT WORSHIP!
     
  2. Albion

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    Even if that great outpouring of posts saying that the Sabbath is about worship were true and agreed to, the position taken is possible only if (1) the Sabbath has been moved (It hasn't) and (2) the New Testament is ignored (That is impermissible).
     
  3. NBB

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    I was just trying to bring this blessing of being filled like pentecostals or others do to some that may read, i think i created the opposite effect and only brought hostility, see.... i am so sure of this because it were experiences with God i cannot forget and were life changing too.
     
  4. mmksparbud

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    Well, your church---nor you ---moved it. The Catholic church---the only church at the time of it being moved, did.
    The NT has n ot been ignored by Sabbath keepers---it is much loved, read and adhered to, just as the disciples did.
     
  5. mmksparbud

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    No hostility---but falsehoods must be repudiated.
     
  6. Albion

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    No. It didn't. And the sooner Sabbatarians learn that this common mistake is indeed incorrect, the sooner it might be possible to discuss this subject without everybody just shouting "I'm right!...No, I'M right" at each other.

    See the above. Nothing has changed since I wrote that.

    To some extent that it is probably so, but ignore one part of it and it could be said that the New Testament has indeed been dismissed. It's all the word of God, you know.
     
  7. SabbathBlessings

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    Why do you think SDA's ignore the New Testament? We believe in the whole bible. Jesus taught all about Sabbath-keeping in the NT. He went to temple every Sabbath as His custom to read scriptures Luke 4:16. Jesus said Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. The disciples also kept the Sabbath as stated throughout the NT Acts 18:4. The Sabbath was shown being kept because of the commandment after Jesus rose Luke 23:56 and the Sabbath is mentioned close to 60 times in the NT alone. No one from the SDA church is disregarding the NT, but it seems like so many others close their eyes on these scriptures in lieu of piecing scriptures to try to make it say something it clearly does not. The first day is mentioned a total of eight times in the bible and nothing in the bible says that it is God's new holy day or a day of worship. It's not a day God sanctified, blessed or made holy. It's a commandment from the Catholic church and nothing more.
     
  8. NBB

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    You have several scriptures saying the law is old stuff, and we don't need to keep a day, also that we can eat anything that is sold in the butcher shop. But people make twists to the plain text to make room to other teachings.
     
  9. SabbathBlessings

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    God's law is eternal Psalms 89:34 so no God's law did not pass away. There is more than one Sabbath in the bible and you are mixing up God's eternal commandment written in stone with the annual sabbaths that is about food and drink and is not in God's eternal commandments. This is easily known by reading and following the scriptures. Isaiah 66:23, Matthew 24:20, Exodus 31:16. Psalms 89:34, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

    Regarding food, would you really want to eat something our Creator called an abomination?
     
  10. Albion

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    The church of Christ was founded by the Savior, and the New Testament authorizes the use of the first day for worship purposes, as well as explaining why that was done. If that is ignored in post after post, that is tantamount to discounting the divinely inspired nature of the New Testament.

    That's what we're faced with when it is argued that nothing the OT Jews did can ever be changed, even though Christ moved us into a new era and the New Testament chronicles most of that development.
     
  11. NBB

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    Seem Paul was retarded and forgot to mention which sabbath was important?
    if this was a salvation issue he should have mentioned.
     
  12. SabbathBlessings

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    Funny, you always say this but never provide scripture. The church in the New Testament was founded on God's Word, Jesus is the Rock. God always had a remnant of His church and His remnant keeps the commandments of God including the 4th commandment. Revelations 12:17, Revelations 14:12
     
  13. NBB

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    YEs, see you are ignoring the NT like others say, several times it says you can eat anything. What twists you can give to those scriptures?
     
  14. SabbathBlessings

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    This is what God says, so your argument is with our Creator. Isaiah 66:17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the LORD.
     
  15. Albion

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    You know the scripture and we've been around this bend before. The issue is the issue. Address it directly or there's really nothing more to discuss.

    That's why I felt I had to put to so plainly without all the fluff that surrounds this matter and kept this thread going for all these hundreds of messages without making any progress.
     
  16. SabbathBlessings

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    He did.
    1 Corinthians 7:19 but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

    God's commandments include the 4th commandment that God asked us to Remember. Which you are saying the opposite. Paul and the disciples told us we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29
     
  17. SabbathBlessings

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    Yes, we have been though this before and I am still waiting for the scriptures. There is no scriptures saying that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and now we should worship God on a new holy day. Paul never said it, Jesus never said it, God never said it and the only one who did say it was the Roman Catholic church which was predicted in Daniel. Jesus warned us to obey Gods commandments over traditions. Matthew 15:3-9
     
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  18. SabbathBlessings

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    A few Sabbath references from the New Testament. If anything changed on God's Sabbath day, I guess it was a salient change that no one knew about including Jesus and the disciples. Considering how Jesus was being accused of breaking God's Sabbath, which He did not, it would have been an uproar to make such a change to Gods only holy day that was kept throughout the bible and is one of Gods commandments that is stored in the Most Holy of God's Temple.


    At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
    - Matthew 12:1

    But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
    - Matthew 12:2

    Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
    - Matthew 12:5

    For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
    - Matthew 12:8

    And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
    - Matthew 12:10

    And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
    - Matthew 12:11

    How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
    - Matthew 12:12

    But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    - Matthew 24:20

    In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
    - Matthew 28:1

    And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.
    - Mark 1:21

    And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
    - Mark 2:23

    And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
    - Mark 2:24

    And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
    - Mark 2:27

    Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
    - Mark 2:28

    And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
    - Mark 3:2

    And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
    - Mark 3:4

    And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
    - Mark 6:2

    And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
    - Mark 15:42

    And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
    - Mark 16:1

    And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    - Luke 4:16

    And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
    - Luke 4:31

    And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
    - Luke 6:1

    And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
    - Luke 6:2

    And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
    - Luke 6:5

    And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
    - Luke 6:6

    And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
    - Luke 6:7

    Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
    - Luke 6:9

    And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
    - Luke 13:10

    And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.
    - Luke 14:1

    And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
    - Luke 23:54

    And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
    - Luke 23:56

    And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
    - John 5:9

    The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
    - John 5:10

    And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
    - John 5:16

    Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
    - John 5:18

    And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
    - John 9:14

    Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
    - John 9:16

    The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
    - John 19:31

    Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
    - Acts 1:12

    But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
    - Acts 13:14

    For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
    - Acts 13:27

    And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    - Acts 13:42

    And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
    - Acts 13:44

    For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    - Acts 15:21

    And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
    - Acts 16:13

    And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
    - Acts 17:2

    And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
    - Acts 18:4
     
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  19. MMXX

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    That seems to happen a lot regarding this subject. I'm sure many of us have experienced seeing scripture in a new light and receiving an epiphany. But that doesn't seem to happen with these sabbath verses. Instead it seems more like there's an attempt to force an interpretation that's simply not there.
     
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    I agree with that completely.
     
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