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Now I do not intend any disrespect to you, however what you just posted sounds a whole lot like 7th Day teaching to me.

How about post 172?


30 minutes ago #172




1. Notice - the statements you find there in 172 -- about corporate worship on Sabbath.
2. It is a full day devoted to worship and non-secular activity related to worship
3. The Sabbath commandment is still binding on all mankind
4. The Sabbath commandment as given by God in scripture is the 7th day "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) Ex 20:10
 
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How about this post?

What do I say.???

WHY post them? They, none of them validate WORSHIP on the Sabbath!

If you will consider Isiah 66:23 which does mention "worship" you will see that the context of that Scripture speaking of worship in eternity.

you think that to use it to validate Sabbath wosrhip today is just a little deceptive????
 
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Isaiah 66:23 from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
23... from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord. (NASB)

Showing that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation

Sabbatarian says Isaiah 66 is proof that Christians will observe Sabbath now, and in the new heaven.

More precisely stated - we use it to show that - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation

Mark 2:27 says the Sabbath is for "mankind"
Is 56:6-8 singles out gentiles specifically for Sabbath keeping
 
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Notice this: 30 minutes ago #172




1. Notice - the statements you find there about corporate worship on Sabbath.
2. It is a full day devoted to worship and non-secular activity related to worship
3. The Sabbath commandment is still binding on all mankind
4. The Sabbath commandment as given by God in scripture is the 7th day "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) Ex 20:10

I am sorry bro but that is 7th day teaching and your pastor would be proud of you.

The Bible says that the 10 commandments were given to Israel and not the church and we can debate that all day and still not agree.

As a 7th Day Advan. you are more obsessed with law keeping than sharing the gospel.
 
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You posted several Scriptures but NOT A SINGLE one of them speaks to worship on Saturday.

How about this post?

the idea that nobody assembled on the Sabbath to hear those Gospel sermons "every Sabbath" but rather they just kept resting in their homes and watching the sermons over ZOOM or heard them through open windows in the house -seems a bit extreme.

Ex 16 "TOMORROW IS the Sabbath"
Ex 20:10 "The seventh day IS the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)"

Lev 23:3
“’There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of Sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.NIV

‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. NKJV

Acts 13:
14 But going on from Perga, they arrived at Pisidian Antioch, and on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down. 15 After the reading of the Law and the Prophets the synagogue officials sent to them, saying, “Brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say it.” 16 Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said,“Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen

42 As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God.
44 The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord

Acts 17:
Now when they had traveled through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.


Acts 16:
11 So putting out to sea from Troas, we ran a straight course to Samothrace, and on the day following to Neapolis; 12 and from there to Philippi, which is a leading city of the district of Macedonia, a Roman colony; and we were staying in this city for some days. 13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled.

Acts 18:
. 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

Amazing how often we see "solemn assemblies" on Sabbath with Gospel preaching even in the NT


Is 66: "23 ...from one Sabbath to another, shall all mankind come to worship before me, saith the Lord." -- and Isaiah's readers knew that Sabbath is a day of worship as Lev 23:2-3 had already stated.

Nehemiah 8:2
2 Then Ezra the priest brought the law before the assembly of men, women and all who could listen with understanding, on the first day of the seventh month.
8 They read from the book, from the law of Elohim, translating to give the sense so that they understood the reading.
3 And he read from it before the public square which was in front of the Water Gate, from early morning until midday, in the presence of men and women, those who could understand; and all the people were attentive to the Book of the Law.

What do I say.???

WHY post them? They, none of them validate WORSHIP on the Sabbath!

Until you read the post.

If you will consider Isiah 66:23 which does mention "worship"

Until you read the text..

Is 66:23 NKJV / KJV etc
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
 
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Hi Sis, those scriptures are more about who Gods' Israel is under the new covenant. More scriptures on the topic found here linked
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make because the poster said only Israel was meant to keep God's Sabbath day holy. I just labeled it incorrectly (updated it now), but the content you previously wrote was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for putting that together. God bless
 
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Isaiah 66:23 from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
23... from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord. (NASB)

Showing that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation



More precisely stated - we use it to show that - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation

Mark 2:27 says the Sabbath is for "mankind"
Is 56:6-8 singles out gentiles specifically for Sabbath keeping

I don't think so. I think it is used as a deceptive device until someone tells you that the scripture has nothing to do with Sabbath worship today but in the eternal state!

Again.....it has nothing to do with Sabbath worship.....today.
 
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I am sorry bro but that is 7th day teaching and your pastor would be proud of you.

I am sorry brother but that was the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and also the "Westminster Confession of Faith" using the same language.

Are you reading the posts? seriously?

The Bible says that the 10 commandments were given to Israel and not the church and we can debate that all day and still not agree.

As a 7th Day Advan. you are more obsessed with law keeping than sharing the gospel.

Blaming SDAs for what C.H. Spurgeon wrote in the Baptist Confession of Faith section 19 is not the most "compelling" argument we have ever seen by a long shot.
 
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I am sorry brother but that was the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and also the "Westminster Confession of Faith" using the same language.

Are you reading the posts? seriously?



Blaming SDAs for what C.H. Spurgeon wrote in the Baptist Confession of Faith section 19 is not the most "compelling" argument we have ever seen by a long shot.

How did Spurgeon get in on this thread?

Who blamed him?

The Ten Commandments were given to Israel... The Ten Commandments, which includes the fourth commandment to remember to keep the seventh day holy, were given to Israel, not to us Gentiles. This means only Israel can break the Law. This is why salvation is only of the Jews. The Law was never made for a righteous person and never saved anyone.
 
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Isaiah 66:23 from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
23... from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord. (NASB)

Showing that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation

Sabbatarian says Isaiah 66 is proof that Christians will observe Sabbath now, and in the new heaven.

More precisely stated - we use it to show that - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation

Mark 2:27 says the Sabbath is for "mankind"
Is 56:6-8 singles out gentiles specifically for Sabbath keeping

I don't think so.

Let me know what you think after you read the texts.

Again.....it has nothing to do with Sabbath worship.....today.

In case you are reading the posts -

Mark 2:27 says the Sabbath is for "mankind"
Is 56:6-8 singles out gentiles specifically for Sabbath keeping

Those texts are not talking about heaven or the new earth.

Or are you saying you want a Bible text written on each day of our year so we know what to do on that exact day?
 
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How did Spurgeon get in on this thread?

Who blamed him?

So you are not at all familiar with the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ? or is it just C.H. Spurgeon provding that version of it I linked to - that you don't know about since your computer does not follow links when you click them with your mouse?
 
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Isaiah 66:23 from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
23... from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord. (NASB)

Showing that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation



More precisely stated - we use it to show that - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation

Mark 2:27 says the Sabbath is for "mankind"
Is 56:6-8 singles out gentiles specifically for Sabbath keeping



Let me know what you think after you read the texts.

Bob.....we have had this same discussion several times. Why spend any more time on something we will never change?
 
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I don't think so. I think it is used as a deceptive device until someone tells you that the scripture has nothing to do with Sabbath worship today but in the eternal state! Again.....it has nothing to do with Sabbath worship.....today.
Not sure why you say Isaiah 66:22-23 is not about worship when the scripture plainly says it is about worship. Isaiah 66:22-23 [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.
 
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Sabbatarian says Isaiah 66 is proof that Christians will observe Sabbath now, and in the new heaven. Does Isaiah 66 teach that Christians should observe the Sabbath?
Actually no that is not quite true at all. The whole bible including the very words of Jesus are proof that Christians are to observe the Sabbath as the "seventh day" Sabbath is one of God's 10 commandments that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. According to the scriptures God does not hold us accountable for sin until he gives us a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and we choose to reject it (see James 4:17 and Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31). God's Word also tells us that once we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and choose to reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin that is the time God holds us accountable for sin and we are in danger of the judgement *Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures as posted earlier God's people are in every Church *John 10:16 living up to all the light that God has given them but according to the very words of Jesus the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship the Farther in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling us where ever we might be out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5. BABYLON and her daughters have fallen and departed Gods' Word. God is calling us back to His Word. Gods' sheep hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear do not follow because they are not His sheep according to John 10:26-27. You may want to consider that everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated all through the new covenant scriptures as a requirement for Christian living (more scripture support here and here linked)
If Isa 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the Jewish New Moon festival in heaven! “And it shall be from new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” Isa 66:23.
Firstly there is no such thing a "the Jewish Sabbath" so let's get this one out of the way first. According to the scriptures Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind for the Sabbath. There was no Jews, no Moses, no Israel, no sin and no plan of salvation given when God made the Sabbath for mankind in Genesis 2:1-3. Now let's get back to Isaiah 66:23 which says "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD." I am just wondering why you think that from one new moon to another deletes from one Sabbath to another in the new heavens and the new earth (v22)? It doesn't. The new moons according to the scriptures were for times, seasons and years *Genesis 1:14. So coming before God on the new moons does not delete coming before God and worshiping him on the Sabbath according to the scriptures does it?
Sabbatarians have the Jewish new moon festival observances in heaven based on the above text! If they insist on Sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66, they also need to observe new moons NOW. But most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons. That’s inconsistent! Are New moons and Sabbath keeping a requirement for Christians based on the New Covenant terms? No.
Where does it say in Isaiah 66:22-23 that it is the Jewish full moon festival? It doesn't your reading into the scriptures what the scripture does not say or teach. We do not observe the new moon festivals today because they are linked to the annual Feast days that are fulfilled in Christ and the new covenant.
Col. 2:16 ‘Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day’’
Actually Colossians 2:16 is not talking about the "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 4th commandment. It is talking about the sabbaths or sabbath days (Genetive neuter plural in the Greek) not singular while the scripture context is to the meat and drink offerings and new moons and sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days which is the scripture context. According to the scriptures there were many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant. In the annual Feast days for example that Colossians 2:16 is talking about there were many sabbaths that were linked directly to certain Feasts and would fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. These Feast day sabbaths (not Gods 4th commandment) included for example; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. So context of Colossians 2:16 is to the Sabbaths in the annual Feast days being a "shadow of things to come" Colossians 2:17 not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments because God's 4th commandment does not point forward to things to come but backwards to the finished work of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth as a memorial of creation - "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Ezekiel 46:3 is the very same thing!
Already addressed through the scriptures above? This scripture was only shown to show the link between the Sabbath and worship of the old covenant. We do not keep the new moon festivals in the new covenant as they are linked to the annual Feast days and are for their times and seasons.
Psalms 92:1 is both a Psalm and a Song, full of equal measures of solemnity and joy; and it was intended to be sung upon the day of rest. nothing there to suggest a day of worship on a Saturday.
Once again the scripture was posted to show the link between the Sabbath and worship and it shows that singing hymns are a part of worship on the Sabbath.
Revelation 14:8 has nothing to do whatsoever with the doctrines of the church. Nothing there at all about Saturday worship.
According to the scriptures Revelation 14:8 is the second angels message and says Revelation 14:8 Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has lead many people to forget about Gods' 4th commandment. God knew this and said in the 4th commandment "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... *Exodus 20:8-11. Revelation 14:8 is God calling us back to His Word and to worship Him as the creator of heaven and earth and the seas and the fountain of the waters.

There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a teaching and tradition of men that has led many to either knowingly or unknowingly break Gods' 4th commandment. The question and test that will come to everyone of us is who do we believe and follow God or man? For me dear friend only Gods' Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:3-9.

Something to pray about
 
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Its not judgement, my mother goes both to an adventist church and a pentecostal one. I'm actually trying to help some fellow reader that can happen to read this, that being filled with the Holy spirit its the best a christian can get, and adventists don't seem to seek this like the disciples/pentecostals etc. Also i don't like how they base a lot of their doctrine in one person like Ellen White like she was some great miracle or something, give me lots of preachers through the ages and my bible please.

It is false judgement for you base it on one person who also goes to another church. Jumping up and down and spouting baby blabberings that nobody knows what is being said is not being filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not like that---you will not find one instance of a person under the influence of the Holy Spirit acting like that in the bible. One can not walk in the light and in the darkness and expect to have only light.
You are misinformed. We do not get our doctrines from EGW, they come from the bible. You could throw out EGW and nothing about our church would change except for some of the health principles. She was never an instrument from God to dictate doctrines, but to confirm them. Doctrines came from several people all from different denomination pouring over the word of God---she would then confirm them . Her writings are beautiful in a way I could not appreciate when I was young. I went out of the church for 25 years and sowed my wild, demeaning oats and studied every believe out there and came back to SDA when I discovered they were the only ones that spoke the truth of the bible. I came back to God first---not SDA, Not EGW---but the bible, then I realized they were speaking the truth that I was reading for myself. I was 18 when I left the church, but had grown away from it long before---I guess I had to wait for my brain to grow up. I feel for those, like you, who can not see the truth right in front of them. I pray for the day they will let the true Holy Spirit in and lead them.
 
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Bob.....we have had this same discussion several times. Why spend any more time on something we will never change?

I have come to realize that when I post in response to something you say - you think I am trying to change your mind on what you believe.
 
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