Why do people have a problem with prosperity teachings?

[GrinningDwarf]

I have an idea of my own...
I would love to hear others' thoughts on this matter.

If you really wanted an answer to this, you would have posted it where non-WoF could actually give you the reasons why we have problems with it.

 

[paul becke]

As I said, I have no wish to debate. And it seems you have even less - if that were possible. I'll leave it to the Psalmist, instead. I do feel duty-bound to assist the Holy Spirit in informing your consciences, since you stand in such danger.

From Psalm 48(49)

"... Why should I fear in evil days
the malice of the foes who surround me
men who trust in their wealth ,
and boast of the vastness of their riches?

For no man can buy a ransom for his life.
The ransom of his soul is beyond him.
He cannot buy life with end,
nor avoid coming to the grave.

He knows that wise men and fools must both perish
and leave their wealth to others.
Their graves are their home for ever,
their dwelling place from age to age
though their names spread wide through the land.

In his riches man lacks wisdom:
he is like the beasts that are destroyed.

This is the lot of those who trust in themselves,
who have others at their beck and call.
Like sheep they are driven to the grave where death shall be their shepherd
and the just shall become their rulers.

(snip)

Then do not fear when a man grows rich,
when the glory of his house increases.
He takes nothing with him when he dies,
his glory does not follow him below.

Though he flattered himself while he lived:
'Men will praise me for all my success',
yet he will go to join his fathers,
who will never see the light any more.

In his riches, man lacks wisdom:
he is like the beasts that are destroyed.

 

[JIMOH]

If you really wanted an answer to this, you would have posted it where non-WoF could actually give you the reasons why we have problems with it.

I suspect that is because he did not want to hear all the lies repeated upon lies and propaganda and slander etc etc etc....

I have yet to meet a "non-wofer" who has a clue as to what we believe.
Even those who supposedly "came out of WoF" do not know what they are talking about... which explains why they "came out."

 

[psalms 91]

Amen and there is no sense explaining anything to a closed mind

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"Why do people have a problem with prosperity teachings?"

For the simplest reason in the world -

THEY DON'T WORK!!!!

There's essentially not a penny's worth of difference in the actual "Prosperity" of a "Normal Christian", and one who's sitting under "Prosperity teaching".

In fact statistically, the MOST economically disadvantaged folks in Christendom are MOST LIKELY to belong to the "Full Gospel" genres - Pentecostal/Charismatic groups - which, of course include "Word of Faith", and "Prosperity" sub categories.

The TEACHERS of prosperity (The Hollywood crowd) - obviously experience "Prosperity".

But the "Rank and file"???? Nothing.

And since folks are becoming more AWARE that "Prosperity" doesn't work - there's a growing skepticism about it, as there SHOULD be.

There IS, of course, a BIBLICAL "Prosperity" - which is always for the purpose of "Blessing others", and not for selfish consumption.

 

[psalms 91]

Who says it doesnt work, someone who prays fleshly prayers expecting God to honor the flesh? Wont happen. Prosperity is real according to praying Gods will into your life and situation. God prospers His people who walk in obedience to His will for them. He will not honor prayers in the flesh or greed or any other spirit not of God.

 

[GrinningDwarf]

Who says it doesnt work, someone who prays fleshly prayers expecting God to honor the flesh? Wont happen. Prosperity is real according to praying Gods will into your life and situation. God prospers His people who walk in obedience to His will for them. He will not honor prayers in the flesh or greed or any other spirit not of God.

How about the healing of a little girl who fell off her bike, hit her head on the sidewalk (this was before madatory helmet laws), and went into a coma? Is that a selfish, greedy prayer?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"God prospers His people who walk in obedience to His will for them."

Sure - He's prospered me over the course of my life as I've walked with him - but that's really only normal "process Christianity". It's Got nothing to do with "Prosperity teaching" which is typically related to selfish gain, and generally includes "Giving to get" according to some supposed "Spiritual rules" of "multiplication".

"Gain" is not "Godliness" regardless of which "Spiritual TV giant" du jour is leading the parade.

But - "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" how "prosperous" are the folks HERE who believe/practice "Prosperity methodology??"

Statistically, the Episcopalians are the "prosperous folks" - not the "Prosperity groups".

 

[JIMOH]

Case in point. Here is an individual who has no idea what we believe. He is a parrot. A little robot with no understanding just quoting the heresy hunters.
You realize do you not that at some point, repeating lies become "false witnessing?"
If you are into false witnessing, do not sweat the wof or prosperity... you best fear for your soul!

"Why do people have a problem with prosperity teachings?"

For the simplest reason in the world -

THEY DON'T WORK!!!!

There's essentially not a penny's worth of difference in the actual "Prosperity" of a "Normal Christian", and one who's sitting under "Prosperity teaching".

In fact statistically, the MOST economically disadvantaged folks in Christendom are MOST LIKELY to belong to the "Full Gospel" genres - Pentecostal/Charismatic groups - which, of course include "Word of Faith", and "Prosperity" sub categories.

The TEACHERS of prosperity (The Hollywood crowd) - obviously experience "Prosperity".

But the "Rank and file"???? Nothing.

And since folks are becoming more AWARE that "Prosperity" doesn't work - there's a growing skepticism about it, as there SHOULD be.

There IS, of course, a BIBLICAL "Prosperity" - which is always for the purpose of "Blessing others", and not for selfish consumption.

 

[JIMOH]

Why is this individual allowed in the WoF forum? He has no idea what we believe and is just repeating lies.
I wonder if he actually knows any WoF believers???

"God prospers His people who walk in obedience to His will for them."

Sure - He's prospered me over the course of my life as I've walked with him - but that's really only normal "process Christianity". It's Got nothing to do with "Prosperity teaching" which is typically related to selfish gain, and generally includes "Giving to get" according to some supposed "Spiritual rules" of "multiplication".

"Gain" is not "Godliness" regardless of which "Spiritual TV giant" du jour is leading the parade.

But - "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" how "prosperous" are the folks HERE who believe/practice "Prosperity methodology??"

Statistically, the Episcopalians are the "prosperous folks" - not the "Prosperity groups".

 

[JIMOH]

Who says it doesnt work, someone who prays fleshly prayers expecting God to honor the flesh? Wont happen. Prosperity is real according to praying Gods will into your life and situation. God prospers His people who walk in obedience to His will for them. He will not honor prayers in the flesh or greed or any other spirit not of God.

Amen. It "works" for those who believe. It has worked for me for 40 years. God blesses us continually.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

How about the healing of a little girl who fell off her bike, hit her head on the sidewalk (this was before madatory helmet laws), and went into a coma? Is that a selfish, greedy prayer?

not really, I used to lay on hands for my friends' hangovers back in the day,

 

[Yitzchak]

"Why do people have a problem with prosperity teachings?"

For the simplest reason in the world -

THEY DON'T WORK!!!!

There's essentially not a penny's worth of difference in the actual "Prosperity" of a "Normal Christian", and one who's sitting under "Prosperity teaching".

In fact statistically, the MOST economically disadvantaged folks in Christendom are MOST LIKELY to belong to the "Full Gospel" genres - Pentecostal/Charismatic groups - which, of course include "Word of Faith", and "Prosperity" sub categories.

The TEACHERS of prosperity (The Hollywood crowd) - obviously experience "Prosperity".

But the "Rank and file"???? Nothing.

And since folks are becoming more AWARE that "Prosperity" doesn't work - there's a growing skepticism about it, as there SHOULD be.

There IS, of course, a BIBLICAL "Prosperity" - which is always for the purpose of "Blessing others", and not for selfish consumption.

I have posted this before. But it bears repeating.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Abraham waited 25 years for Isaac to be born. And as this scripture says in hebrews , he died before seeing the final fulfillment of some of the promises given to him by God. But , and this is my key point , he died in faith.

There is a reason that Abraham was called the father of faith. Most of us do not have to wait like Abraham did. Our blessings come more quickly. But there is still a testing period for us.

Abandoning our faith because we are still waiting ranks as one of the worst decisions that we could possibly make in life.

Have you read the Bible stories about the children of Israel in the wilderness ? They persisted in unbelief and that generation did not enter into the promised land because of it.


I would rather die in faith not having received and receive an even greater reward in heaven , than to be one who shipwrecked my own faith by becoming offended.

1Ti 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Our faith is based upon His promises. If we are a student of the word of God and if we have heard a Rhema word from God , then we do have a basis to stand in faith.

Why would we be foolish enough to abandon our own faith now because some have lost confidence in the promises of God ?

I don't care if ten million people testify that they believed God and that God failed them. I don't believe them. As for me and my house , we will serve the Lord and continue in faith.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I stumbled across a passage you might find helpful

1st Kings 5, it teaches if you heal someone of an ailment and accept money for it, you may just have it transferred to your own body.

i doubt that is something anyone here would do, but a sobering chapter nonetheless.

 

[Lively Stone]

After the fall of the Roman empire a section of the church entered into a poverty movement where they thought to be poor made one more holy and to be rich made one evil. That error has carried over into many modern church teachings. They cannot see that equating poverty with righteousness is just as bad as equating material riches with righteousness.
Opponents of WoF are obessessed with the idea that someone may be prosperous. Which is odd because by NT standards they themselves are very prosperous. They are sitting in a very warm secure place typing words onto a computer. All this requires a level of prosperity that "poor" (by NT standards) cannot achieve. There is a blindness here. They criticise others for doing the very same thing that they themselves do. I have yet to meet a single anti-WoF critic divest themselves of all their prosperity and become righteously poor. Not one. But that is what they want you to do. As another person said. It is a religious spirit that wants to deprive the people of God of the good things God has for us. They cannot see it. By definition, that means they are blind.

I'm just getting into this thread and I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I was visiting another forum recently, and all of a sudden because I defended the true prosperity message, I am being taunted and mocked, and now two threads have been initiated declaring someone a false prophet who has been well known for this teaching. I was so disgusted that I reported the thread and told them I am gone.

It is an unholy spirit behind this nonsense!

 

[Lively Stone]

People don't realize that money is a tool we can use in this world for the preaching of the gospel. If a person is scared of the tool, then they won't use it.

...and they won't get it, either. God blesses those He finds trustworthy.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm just getting into this thread and I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I was visiting another forum recently, and all of a sudden because I defended the true prosperity message, I am being taunted and mocked, and now two threads have been initiated declaring someone a false prophet who has been well known for this teaching. I was so disgusted that I reported the thread and told them I am gone.

It is an unholy spirit behind this nonsense!

...and they won't get it, either. God blesses those He finds trustworthy.

this is why congregational forums exist so you can keep your opinion without ridicule, i'd say it's a good solution .

 

[JIMOH]

I'm just getting into this thread and I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I was visiting another forum recently, and all of a sudden because I defended the true prosperity message, I am being taunted and mocked, and now two threads have been initiated declaring someone a false prophet who has been well known for this teaching. I was so disgusted that I reported the thread and told them I am gone.

It is an unholy spirit behind this nonsense!

It is a religious spirit of control. There is a spirit in the world wants to control all things. It is not riches or prosperity these ones want. They want to control all things.... including you. If this means condemning you because you avail yourself of the blessings of God... so be it. This spirit prevails among all heresy hunters. They seek to condemn and control you. They have no concern for your soul or the souls they seek to destroy by robbing them of the blessings of God. They would rather see you impoverished, sick and dying, or even dead. And they do not even see it. All the while they will not lift finger to do the things they seek to impose upon you. They want you to live in a cave wearing rags eating wild onions and drinking branch water. NONE of them take this level of poverty upon themselves. That makes them hypocrites and pharisees.

Luke 11:46
And he said, Woe unto you also, [ye] lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.


THIS IS YOU HERESY HUNTER!

REPENT!

Leave the people of God alone to receive the blessings of the Lord! Stop robbing them of life, prosperity, health, and righteousness!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

*gets out the popcorn*

 

[JIMOH]

*gets out the popcorn*

Gets out the report for CF rules breaking....