Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[mark wright]

Don't get out much, do you? Yes, it does happen. No one knows what goes on in the heart of anyone, except God. I've known of several people who did just that. They never belonged?? How would you know? Does it frighten you to think someone can just walk away rom God? It happens for many reasons. There have been those that harbored rebellion for a long time, slowly growing, those that end up believing everything they once believed is just a fairy tail, those that have been disillusioned by others, or think they have been let down by God Himself. For me, I always believed in God, I believed He existed, I was just very angry at Him for everything that happened to me and as soon as I could I walked away. For one, it haooenend when his wife he'd known since they were 16 was not healed of cancer at the age of 32, then his father was not healed at 61 and he had prayed so earnestly for their healing so he walked away. You may think he was never a real, true believer, but he was. One was a priest, one was a Methodist, very active in the church, 4 kids and a lovely wife all sang together at their church. Literally, he got up one morning and told his wife he no longer wanted to have God in his life or be married and walked away from everyone. Yes, you can walk away not only from a church, but from God.

Just because someone is a minister does not mean they know the truth of the Gospel message. I said those who understand the true message will never walk away

 

[mark wright]

You know, I've asked several times, and no one gives me an answer.

Why is it that no one argues the fact that no unrepentant adulterer, liar, thief murderer will get into heaven? Will someone who takes the name of God in vain get there? Will anyone that bears false witness? Will anyone who breaks any of the 9 commandments, and remains unrepentant, get into heaven??? I have yet to meet anyone who will say "Yes! They are saved by grace and do not need to repent!" Will someone here say that??
And when I ask the next logical question, then what is the answer?----Why only the 9, but when it comes to the 4th, it then doesn't matter what God says, we are under grace and we can break that one commandment, remain unrepentant, and still get into heaven because all of a sudden, for this ONE commandment---it just doesn't matter. If you feel free to remove one of the 10, why not one of the others? Why not dishonor your parents?--that really is not mentioned much anyway, not on the Rev list.

Trust me, an awful lot of sda members take the Lords name in vain without apparantly knowing they are breaking one of the ten commandments by doing so

 

[mmksparbud]

Trust me, an awful lot of sda members take the Lords name in vain without apparantly knowing they are breaking one of the ten commandments by doing so

You have not answered my question.

 

[mark wright]

You have not answered my question.

I live under the new covenant( testament)
Give me just one verse of scripture from anywhere in the NT that states gentile christians must specifically observe a Saturday Sabbath and I will go to church this Saturday!

I have given you scripture from the new testament( covenant) where it plainly states you are entitled to consider one day more sacred/holy than another, or view every day alike.
Where is your scripture from the NT requested?

 

[brinny]

I believe the scriptures say indirectly that Jesus was Michael.

Would be so kind as to point out which scriptures you are referring to?

Thank you.

 

[mmksparbud]

And I've already stated that the Jews had many feasts that were called sabbaths. The verse does not in any way indicate that it is talking specifically about THE Sabbath. That is your own interpretation.
Rev does not state that only 9 of the commandments are important. THE COMMANDMENTS are the 10---nowhere does it say, there are now only 9. Hoe does anyone eliminate 1 commandment, where does it say any man can do that? Who would dare wipe out a commandment written by the finger of God Himself? Jesus could have, for it was Him that wrote them. And if you can show me where the bible says He took His finger and crossed that commandment out, then I will believe it doesn't matter to Him.

 

[mark wright]

And I've already stated that the Jews had many feasts that were called sabbaths. The verse does not in any way indicate that it is talking specifically about THE Sabbath. That is your own interpretation.
Rev does not state that only 9 of the commandments are important. THE COMMANDMENTS are the 10---nowhere does it say, there are now only 9. Hoe does anyone eliminate 1 commandment, where does it say any man can do that? Who would dare wipe out a commandment written by the finger of God Himself? Jesus could have, for it was Him that wrote them. And if you can show me where the bible says He took His finger and crossed that commandment out, then I will believe it doesn't matter to Him.

You have to add to what is written in rom 14:5 in order to defend your errant belief.
If Paul meant specific feast days etc, he would have said so. He was an intelligent chap. He would have known he would mislead people if that was what he meant!!!!
You have no scripture from the new testament do you.
I have scripture to support my belief, you do not

 

[mmksparbud]

You have to add to what is written in rom 14:5 in order to defend your errant belief.
If Paul meant specific feast days etc, he would have said so. He was an intelligent chap. He would have known he would mislead people if that was what he meant!!!!
You have no scripture from the new testament do you.
I have scripture to support my belief, you do not

And if he had meant THE SABBATH DAY he would have said so!! There was almost a war over circumcision being done away with, you think a bunch of Jews are not going to have a row over--you do not need to keep the 4th commandment?!! Just show me where Jesus crossed that one out.

 

[mark wright]

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat and drink,or with regard to a religious festevil, a new moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These were a shadow of the things to come, the reality however is found in Christ
Col2:14-15

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[mark wright]

And if he had meant THE SABBATH DAY he would have said so!! There was almost a war over circumcision being done away with, you think a bunch of Jews are not going to have a row over--you do not need to keep the 4th commandment?!! Just show me where Jesus crossed that one out.

Just one scripture from the NT to support your belief and I will believe you. I have given you two scriptures now, you have none do you!!!

 

[mmksparbud]

Just one scripture from the NT to support your belief and I will believe you. I have given you two scriptures now, you have none do you!!!

You have given me nothing!!!

1Th_4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Where does it say---9?

 

[mark wright]

You have given me nothing!!!

1Th_4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Where does it say---9?

You are lost in false thinking my friend. You ignore the scriptures for those who are under the new covenant or try to change them.
You do not understand the realities that are in Christ.
You serve a version of the old covenant.
I quoted to you yesterday where an sda church member in this thread stated obedience to the ten commandments is the requirement to enter heaven.
That is what Saul the Pharisee believed.
Its called a righteousness/ justification of observing the law

 

[mark wright]

You have given me nothing!!!

1Th_4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Where does it say---9?

I told a minister friend yesterday of your belief that people in all churches had multiple affairs. He found it amusing

 

[mmksparbud]

You are lost in false thinking my friend. You ignore the scriptures for those who are under the new covenant or try to change them.
You do not understand the realities that are in Christ.
You serve a version of the old covenant.
I quoted to you yesterday where an sda church member in this thread stated obedience to the ten commandments is the requirement to enter heaven.
That is what Saul the Pharisee believed.
Its called a righteousness/ justification of observing the law

Answer the question and give me the proof that Jesus now had only 9 commandments??? You have ignored all those verses I gave you--Why? You are ignoring the fact that the 10 commandments will not save you, they are a a mirror of your faults, Jesus saves, but please show me where anyone who breaks the commandments of God and is unrepentant, will still enter into His kingdom. That should be easy for you. Show me where any of those verses you were given states 9 commandments, where in the bible does it say Jesus crossed out the 4th.

 

[mmksparbud]

I told a minister friend yesterday of your belief that people in all churches had multiple affairs. He found it amusing

That's nice---who said I believed people in all churches have multiple affairs??? Please find where I said that. I did say that people in every church have committed adultery. I don't care if you and your minister want to laugh at my believes-----JUST PLEASE DO NOT, MISREPRESENT OR LIE ABOUT WHAT THOSE BELIEVES ARE!!

 

[mark wright]

That's nice---who said I believed people in all churches have multiple affairs??? Please find where I said that. I did say that people in every church have committed adultery. I don't care if you and your minister want to laugh at my believes-----JUST PLEASE DO NOT, MISREPRESENT OR LIE ABOUT WHAT THOSE BELIEVES ARE!!

When I told you yesterday about the sda member who had multiple affairs, you replied by saying that happens in all churches

 

[chevyontheriver]

In the same way, I don't hate SDA. I dislike and even abhor some of their doctrines and practices.

FWIW, when an SDA becomes Orthodox, s/he must be received by Orthodox baptism, instead of merely by Chrismation.

Yeah, but you probably do the same thing for a Catholic who becomes Orthodox. So your rejecting SDA baptisms isn't surprising at all.

 

[mmksparbud]

I went back to your original post and you did say she had had multiple affairs---I did miss the multiple. I meant every church has had a member that commits adultery--unfortunately. And that includes the ones the apostle set up
1Co_5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

You are fanatical in your attempts to keep your errant views aren't you. You have been given the scriptures for those under the new covenant concerning sabbath days yet refuse to accept them.
SDA believe obedience to the ten commandments is the requirement to enter heaven. One sda member on this thread has had the courage to admit it.
Yet you state members in al sda churches have multiple affairs. Can you not see the absurdity of all of this?

I made no such statement!! I said there are those that commit adultery in every church, it is you who thought I meant every SDA church! I meant every church (denomination) and as I said, I did not notice the word "multiple." Even though I quoted it, it somehow did not stick as multiple. Of course, I have to take your word for it that this woman had multiple affairs and thought nothing of it while claiming to follow the commandments of God. I've never met such an individual in any church (denomination).
You have yet to prove I have errant views--it should be simple--I asked for it, you have not provided it and now you wish to sidetrack. The absurdity is yours. Please state where there are only 9 commandments, where breaking any of them and remaining unrepentant still entitles you to be in the presence of God, or where Jesus crossed out the 4th. I will then change my "errant ways."

 

[mark wright]

I went back to your original post and you did say she had had multiple affairs---I did miss the multiple. I meant every church has had a member that commits adultery--unfortunately. And that includes the ones the apostle set up
1Co_5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.






I made no such statement!! I said there are those that commit adultery in every church, it is you who thought I meant every SDA church! I meant every church (denomination) and as I said, I did not notice the word "multiple." Even though I quoted it, it somehow did not stick as multiple. Of course, I have to take your word for it that this woman had multiple affairs and thought nothing of it while claiming to follow the commandments of God. I've never met such an individual in any church (denomination).
You have yet to prove I have errant views--it should be simple--I asked for it, you have not provided it and now you wish to sidetrack. The absurdity is yours. Please state where there are only 9 commandments, where breaking any of them and remaining unrepentant still entitles you to be in the presence of God, or where Jesus crossed out the 4th. I will then change my "errant ways."

Oh I have proved your beliefs to be errant under the new covenant. I have quoted you verses which prove it. You simply ignore them or try to change them to mean something they do not state.
BTW

I knew another woman in another SDA church. She sang in the choir and insisted all Gods laws be obeyed. At the same time she also had multiple affairs

 

[mark wright]

I went back to your original post and you did say she had had multiple affairs---I did miss the multiple. I meant every church has had a member that commits adultery--unfortunately. And that includes the ones the apostle set up
1Co_5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.






I made no such statement!! I said there are those that commit adultery in every church, it is you who thought I meant every SDA church! I meant every church (denomination) and as I said, I did not notice the word "multiple." Even though I quoted it, it somehow did not stick as multiple. Of course, I have to take your word for it that this woman had multiple affairs and thought nothing of it while claiming to follow the commandments of God. I've never met such an individual in any church (denomination).
You have yet to prove I have errant views--it should be simple--I asked for it, you have not provided it and now you wish to sidetrack. The absurdity is yours. Please state where there are only 9 commandments, where breaking any of them and remaining unrepentant still entitles you to be in the presence of God, or where Jesus crossed out the 4th. I will then change my "errant ways."

If you claim that same woman is in EVERY church, you must be claiming that includes all sda churches