Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[mark wright]

For I would not have known lust except the law had said:
Thou shalt not covet.
But sin, taking advantage of the commandment wrought in me all manner of concupiscence.
Rom7:8

I say this sincerely. If only you were willing to see, but you are not. Your mind is closed

 

[mmksparbud]

If you claim that same woman is in EVERY church, you must be claiming that includes all sda churches

Denominations!!

 

[mark wright]

Denominations!!

You didn't say that yesterday in the statement I quoted though did you.

 

[mmksparbud]

For I would not have known lust except the law had said:
Thou shalt not covet.
But sin, taking advantage of the commandment wrought in me all manner of concupiscence.
Rom7:8

I say this sincerely. If only you were willing to see, but you are not. Your mind is closed

Quite the contrary. It is yours that refuses to see---where are the verses that state there are 9--where did Jesus cross out the 4th. And what about all those verses I quoted you, still no comment on those.
Guess what--there are pedophiles, thieves, liars in the Catholic church, Methodist, Baptist, SDA, and every other DENOMINATION. There are sinners in every DENOMINATION.

 

[mark wright]

Denominations!!

Let me tell you again. Though I would be naive to suggest no one in any church has had an affair, I can tell you in sincerity, in the churches I have belonged to such behaviour as I have mentions to you by some people in other churches would never pass by for years whilst the person remained in the church and was an active member of it.
That is the truth

 

[mmksparbud]

You didn't say that yesterday in the statement I quoted though did you.

No---silly me. I thought it was understood, I will be clearer from now on!!

 

[mark wright]

Quite the contrary. It is yours that refuses to see---where are the verses that state there are 9--where did Jesus cross out the 4th. And what about all those verses I quoted you, still no comment on those.
Guess what--there are pedophiles, thieves, liars in the Catholic church, Methodist, Baptist, SDA, and every other DENOMINATION. There are sinners in every DENOMINATION.

All you are trying to do is deflect from the fact Paul tells us under the new covenant we may consider one day more holy/sacred than another or consider every day alike. He also tells us to let no one judge us concerning a Sabbath day.
You have not one scripture from anywhere in the nt that states gentiles must specifically obey a saturday Sabbath.
So what can you do as I have the scripture and you have none?
You have to try and deflect from that anyway you can. I'm not going to help you deflect from the truth of what is plainly stated under the new covenant

 

[mmksparbud]

All you are trying to do is dwflect from the fact Paul tells us under the ne was covenant we may consider one day more holy/sacred than other or consider every day alike. He also tells us to let no one judge us concerning a Sabbath day.
You have not one scripture from anywhere in the nt Tha states gentiles must specifically obey a saturday Sabbath.
So what can you do as I have the scripture and you have none?
You have to try and deflect from Tha anyway you can. I'm not going to help you deflect from the truth of what is plainly stated under the new covenant

That has repeatedly been addressed--you refuse to see it. They had many feast days which are called sabbaths, it did not refer to THE SABBATH, which is a different designation. You have given me not one verse that states there no longer is a 4th commandment, have provided no evidence that Jesus Christ, who alone can alter a handwritten command of God (esp since it was Him that wrote it) has crossed it out. Now, talk about deflection. Since you can not give me what I ask for and I have refuted your couple verses and you have not addressed the numerous verses from the NT that I quoted you on the commandments, then I guess there is nothing to say but yes, no yes no and that sounds very boring---so good night, if you want the last word, you are welcome to it.

 

[mark wright]

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That has repeatedly been addressed--you refuse to see it. They had many feast days which are called sabbaths, it did not refer to THE SABBATH, which is a different designation. You have given me not one verse that states there no longer is a 4th commandment, have provided no evidence that Jesus Christ, who alone can alter a handwritten command of God (esp since it was Him that wrote it) has crossed it out. Now, talk about deflection. Since you can not give me what I ask for and I have refuted your couple verses and you have not addressed the numerous verses from the NT that I quoted you on the commandments, then I guess there is nothing to say but yes, no yes no and that sounds very boring---so good night, if you want the last word, you are welcome to it.

Here you go again, adding to what Paul stated.
He did not mention the word feast days at all in that verse. So you have not refuted anything have you
You have to try and come up with anything you can to change what Paul actually stated to cling to your errant beliefs.

But then, any denomination that believes the requirement to enter heaven is obedience to the ten commandments will never understand much spiritual truth. If you do not build on a solid foundation.......

 

[mark wright]

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[mmksparbud]

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Here you go again, adding to what Paul stated.
He did not mention the word feast days at all in that verse.
You have to try and come up with anything you can to change what Paul actually stated to cling to your errant beliefs.

But then, any denomination that believes the requirement to enter heaven is obedience to the ten commandments will never understand much spiritual truth. If you do not build on a solid foundation.......

I knew I shouldn't have looked! It does not sate The Sabbath either!!! And that is what differentiates it from their other Sabbaths. I don't know how often you have to be told and you're still not able to see. We are saved by grace, we keep the commandments of Go out of love for Him as they are written in our hearts. You will not quote a verse that says anyone that breaks those commandments with get it to heav though I gave you thse,. You provide no answers to my questions just repeat the same errors over and over.
1Th_4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Good night.

 

[mark wright]

I knew I shouldn't have looked! It does not sate The Sabbath either!!! And that is what differentiates it from their other Sabbaths. I don't know how often you have to be told and you're still not able to see. We are saved by grace, we keep the commandments of Go out of love for Him as they are written in our hearts. You will not quote a verse that says anyone that breaks those commandments with get it to heav though I gave you thse,. You provide no answers to my questions just repeat the same errors over and over.
1Th_4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Good night.

Col2:16 specifically refers to to a sabbath day. Nice try!
To give some Saturday Sabbath observers credit, they accept that when Paul states one person considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another person considers every day alike..... They admit he I obviously referring to a sabbath day. They simply leave it at that.
But you will try and reason anything to avoid accepting the scripture that directly relates to this subject specifically.

As to your multiple quotes of. Keep the commandments
I am going to repeat.
Seventh day Adventists believe the requirement to attain heaven is obedience to the ten commandments.
That means a seventh day Adventist believes they are justified for heaven( which means righteous) by obeying the law, and what is more the law Paul termed the ministration of death.
That belief contradicts multiple scripture in the new testament, and actually contradicts the core terms on which the new covenant stands.
However, if you are led of the natural mind you are blinded to seeing it.
According to what is stated under the new covenant you do not live an ever holier life by believing your justification for heaven is obeying the law. You have to die to such a righteousness

 

[mark wright]

The words of an active seventh day Adventist, and I quote:

Obedience to the ten commandments is stressed multiple times to be the requirement for entrance to heaven.

Unquote.

If anyone cannot see that statement states your righteousness/ justification for heaven is obeying the law they are spiritually blind.

Yet that statement is what seventh day Adventists actually believe.

Do not be fooled by attempts at times to deflect from it by members of the sda

 

[mark wright]

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing Gal2:21

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness That comes from God and is by faith phil3:9

But now a righteousness from God APART from law has been made known, to which the law and the prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe rom3:21&22

 

[mark wright]

Many quote the literal letter to support their beliefs. JWs, Mormons, Muslims, and sda. But simply quoting the letter without understanding the heart of the message That letter contains I nothing.
The Pharisees of Jesus day could perfectly reel off the letter, but they did not understand the message the letter contained.
They insisted the commandments be upheld to inherit eternal life. On the outside they appeared the most Godly of people.
They went to all their religious meetings, knew the literal words of the then scripture off by heart, tithed down to their last mint dil and cumin, observed a Saturday Sabbath, did good deeds that everyone could see, stressed the law must be obeyed. They would not have gotten drunk, used foul language, had extra marital affairs, nor smoked I imagine if smoking had then been invented.
They even laid flowers on the graves of the prophets murdered by their forefathers and said:
We would never have acted as they did.
However, Jesus reserved his harshest words for these people and told them they did not even know his father.

Let those who have ears hear

 

[mark wright]

A truly born again christian cannot take the Lords name in vain without beingr conscious they sin by doing so.
A born again Christian cannot justify having multiple affairs, and turn up at church each week and shout out AMEN enthusiastically when the minister says something that stirs them. If you go against the law on your heart there us no hiding from it. Your conscience is seered as a hot knife going through butter
A born again Christian cannot sin in ignorance of the law placed within them.
If they could, they would have a licence to sin!
The Christian is supernaturally changed/ born again once they accept Christ as their saviour. The law is written on their mind so they instinctively know what that law is, and in their heart they want to obey it.
So what on earth is the point of people telling Christians they must obey the commandments? They already want to obey the law placed on their heart. Such statements are pointless. All they do is make sincere christians feel even worse than they already do concerning their imperfections of the law on their heart.
The true and sincere christian needs to cling to a righteousness of faith in Christ or they will sink. This does not give them a licence to sin for in their heart they want to obey God. The fact a law of righteousness is removed for them cannot change what is on their heart.
The religious, just reel off the letter:

Obey the commandments

For they do not have the spiritual understanding of the heart of the new covenant, and what Christ achieved at Calvary. They refuse to seek or accept it

I have no doubt there are many sincere seventh day Adventists. However, if you insist on hinging your hope of heaven on observing the law, rather than what Christ did for you at Calvary, you reject Christs sacrifice for you.
For you can only have one true justification/ righteousness for heaven. Either it is by obeying the ten commandments or Jesus dying for you. It cannot be both

 

[BobRyan]

There is one thing else to mention.
No one who understands the truth of the Christian Gospel and follows it can wake up one morning and decide they don't want God in their life anymore.
Many go to church who sadly do not know the truth. They do not understand the truth of the message.
I have chatted to muslims who claim they were once christians, but when pressed could not tell me the truth of the Gospel message:
They went out from us but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us they would have remained with us. But their going showed Tha none of them belonged to us
1 john: 2:19

Will answer this on the next thread so other people can also comment on it.

 

[Imagican]

Will answer this on the next thread so other people can also comment on it.

Let us agree that no one would merely 'wake up' one morning and reject God 'out of the blue'.

But what about extenuating circumstances. You know, like the tragic death of a loved one? Persecution? I can think of a billion different 'reasons' that one who has been 'born again' might end up rejecting God.

So long as man has 'freedom of choice', he is FREE to choose. And the flesh is 'weak'.

You have indicated that the 'spirit of man' can not be altered.

If this were the case, then no one would 'come' to God through Christ to begin with.

And one is JUST as capable of turning 'away' as they are 'turning to'.

The NT offers numerous examples of those that 'find the truth', follow it for a time, and then end up 'turning away'. And it states that for many such as these their END STATE is worse than their 'beginning'.

And how about the 'seeds' that fall on different ground? Are you indicating that one 'cannot' be 'born again' and then end up developing a 'faulty foundation' after the fact? And that upon building upon that 'faulty foundation' end up 'led astray' or even leading themselves 'astray'?

See, you offer 'false hope'. You offer that OSAS concept that does not exist in the Bible. And the only reason anyone would try to fool themselves into such 'false beliefs' is a desire to SHIRK the responsibility that we are given instruction of in the Bible.

Matthew 7:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So 'pretending' that one can be ONE thing and then DO another is obviously only an attempt to FOOL themselves and others.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Anyone that is curious about the SDA just needs to go and research their history to clearly see that they are 'not' of the true Churches of Christ. They have simply done what most have done and that is 'use the name of Christ' in their 'religion'.

A 'woman', delirious from fever supposedly had visions which led to the formation of this 'religion'. If one reads the history it is no less 'strange' or 'bogus' than that of Smith and the LDS. Magic rocks with names and magic reading glasses???? Oh my.

And the SDAs don't REALLY believe in the Sabbath as offered in the Bible. They willingly go out after their Saturday services and ALLOW others to DO their work FOR them. They 'walk' to restaurants as if abiding in the commandment and then PAY OTHERS to take their orders, cook their food and wash their dishes.

So it would appear that they couldn't care less about the sanctity of the Sabbath. They have created their OWN with their OWN RULE. So it's NOT the Sabbath of God that they honor. It's a Sabbath of their "own design" that they follow.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[BobRyan]

Let us agree that no one would merely 'wake up' one morning and reject God 'out of the blue'.

But what about extenuating circumstances. You know, like the tragic death of a loved one? Persecution? I can think of a billion different 'reasons' that one who has been 'born again' might end up rejecting God.

So long as man has 'freedom of choice', he is FREE to choose. And the flesh is 'weak'.

That is true - no question about that,.

You have indicated that the 'spirit of man' can not be altered.

If this were the case, then no one would 'come' to God through Christ to begin with.

That is also true.

And one is JUST as capable of turning 'away' as they are 'turning to'.

agreed.