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Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

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I am not SDA but I do, however, keep one day a week as a day of rest, the Lord's day. It's just how I was raised (by my mother who is Catholic). I am 45 and I still uphold it because it is, after all, a commandment of God and we are to keep His commandments out of love for Him and thankfulness for our salvation. I realize the Judaic Sabbath is Saturday but I observe it on Sunday and I think that's alright with God because He looks at the heart behind it, not the calendar.

I also think we should spend less time, as believer's, nitpicking at each other. I realize there are many varying belief systems within Christianity, and we are called to correct one another in love, but there is too little "love your neighbor as yourself" happening these days. Each person has his/her own walk with the Lord, a personal relationship, and it's just that - personal.

Also, it's kind of "take the plank out of your own eye before trying to take the speck out of your brother's eye" kind of thing. Not one of us is perfect.
 
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We have not received the spirit of the world but the spirit who is from God that we may understand what God has freely given us.
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words
The man without the spirit foes not accept the things that come from the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them for they are spiritually discerned
1cor2:12-14

So you equate 'intellect' with 'wisdom of THIS WORLD'?

So NO ONE with true intellect could EVER understand the 'wisdom of God'?????

You're JOKING right?

How about this for 'enlightenment':

What about someone with intellect, (ability to learn), asks, seeks and knocks????

Are you trying to imply that one having SUPERIOR intellect is incapable of 'asking, seeking or knocking and God is incapable of revealing His truth to someone with superior intellect?

Now that is just inane. Education and intellect are two entirely different concepts.

I propose that those with 'lesser' intellect are incapable of understanding the more 'intricate' details of God's WISDOM. That is why there has ALWAYS been a NEED for 'teachers'. To TEACH those without the ability to understand WITHOUT someone who DOES explaining it to them.

I guess you believe that all the apostles were LACKING in intellect?

Yet Paul demonstrated a SUPERIOR intellect in everything he wrote. In fact, it TAKES someone of superior intellect to actually UNDERSTAND what he offered in any sense of 'deeper understanding'.

There are MILLIONS that can't even understand the two letters he wrote to the Corinthians. Choosing to believe just the OPPOSITE of what he wrote.

Yet you believe that intellect is somehow a burden when it comes to acceptance and understanding of God's word?????

See, what you have done is mistake intellect for 'wisdom'. Two entirely different things. The 'wisdom of this world' has nothing to do with 'intellect'. Intellect is merely the ability to find answers with fewer pieces of evidence. In other words, intellect is basically the ability of one to LEARN. Some have a NATURAL ability to understand things that others will NEVER understand even if someone tried to teach them.

And the Bible is a perfect example of a 'book' that many without intellect have chosen to believe says things that it does not and are incapable of understanding the things that it does say. Hence, all the false belief systems that exist today.

Look, the Holy Spirit is able to reveal whatever it chooses. But one's INTELLECT is a major factor in UNDERSTANDING what is revealed.

Example: Freedom. Accepted and understood as offered it is a 'beautiful thing'. But misunderstood it can be one of the most damning concepts offered in the Bible.

Grace is no different. Most can't even understand that the 'grace' of God isn't some FREE GIFT that is GIVEN freely.

The TRUTH is that grace is the OFFERING of the gift. And it's very simple to PROVE that those that believe otherwise are mistaken.

One question destroys any possibility of salvation being a 'gift' that is obtained FREELY. The offer was FREELY offered, but the acceptance is NOT free and therefore grace has nothing to do with salvation other than the OFFER.

So here is the question: Is there ANYTHING that we MUST DO in order to receive Salvation? It's a simple question. Requires nothing but a simple yes or no.

But LOOK what a 'lack of intellect' has allowed many to BELIEVE. If one has the CAPACITY to actually understand what it is that they believe, grace is a simple concept to understand. Yet look how many have been incapable of actually understanding it.

And here is the even MORE mystifying concept: Even after I offered SIMPLE words to explain a SIMPLE concept, there will be those incapable of understanding it.

So does intellect matter? It would appear that it's CRUCIAL. For we can clearly see those that do not possess it are capable of believing ANYTHING. And often incapable of understanding that which couldn't have been offered in a more simple manner.

Grace isn't Salvation. Grace was/is the OFFER. We did nothing to deserve the OFFER. it was offered freely. We did nothing to deserve it.

But the ACCEPTANCE of the 'gift' has nothing to do with grace. The Bible makes it perfectly clear that there are MANY THINGS that we MUST DO in order to receive.

And that is the problem with both the Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations. One believes in ONLY works and the other believes in ONLY grace. Yet the Bible teaches us that grace and words are inseparable so far as Salvation is concerned.

We are KNOWN by our ACTIONS. We are judged by the FRUIT that we produce. We begin with grace and our works establish the significance of grace.

So it's not ONE or the OTHER, it's BOTH Grace/Works. For the obtainment of salvation: The offer was purely GRACE, the acceptance of that offer is purely WORKS. Faith itself is WORKS.

Blessings,

MEC
 
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I am not SDA but I do, however, keep one day a week as a day of rest, the Lord's day. It's just how I was raised (by my mother who is Catholic). I am 45 and I still uphold it because it is, after all, a commandment of God and we are to keep His commandments out of love for Him and thankfulness for our salvation. I realize the Judaic Sabbath is Saturday but I observe it on Sunday and I think that's alright with God because He looks at the heart behind it, not the calendar.

I also think we should spend less time, as believer's, nitpicking at each other. I realize there are many varying belief systems within Christianity, and we are called to correct one another in love, but there is too little "love your neighbor as yourself" happening these days. Each person has his/her own walk with the Lord, a personal relationship, and it's just that - personal.

Also, it's kind of "take the plank out of your own eye before trying to take the speck out of your brother's eye" kind of thing. Not one of us is perfect.

So you believe that we are to simply ACCEPT 'false beliefs' as if they don't MATTER? And you call that 'sharing your love with your neighbor'? Hmmm...........

It's not about 'being perfect'. But it IS about 'perfect understanding'. How are you going to serve or follow that which you do not comprehend? But that is what you have indicated. That it's OK for everyone to believe whatever they CHOOSE to believe regardless of whether it's TRUTH or something else.

I would offer that you are remiss in any ATTEMPT to love your neighbor if you are unwilling to stand up for the TRUTH at ANY expense.

What you have indicated that it's MORE important that we try to be FRIENDS with our neighbors instead of actually sharing LOVE. If you truly LOVE someone you will do whatever you are able to HELP them. You have indicated that we should IGNORE love in favor of 'friendship'. And from my perspective, friendship that leads to DEATH instead of LIFE.

What if Christ or the apostles had chosen to be FRIENDS instead of sharing their love through the TRUTH?

Blessings,

MEC
 
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The food laws had an added blessing.

Exo_15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
And you can poopoo the whole thing all you want., Bottom line, the research clearly shows that SDA who follow the health principles, live longer and healthier lives. Of those that are vegetarian, they live even longer and healthier. God instituted the idea of what to eat and what not to eat because, as our Creator, He knows what is best for us. It's not a matter of being unclean in body or not, it is a matter of what is healthier for us. We have a duty to take car of the temple that God has given us, it is His dwelling place. And just why wouldn't you want to live longer and healthier?
 
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This CHURCH is not a place where YOU or I meet. When it was used in the Word of God it was about Jesus and US that believe in Him aka the Church. Most follow some man/woman and what they personally believe. At some point EACH one of us has to seek out Jesus on our own.

Each one of us KNOW we are right (to some degree) and others are wrong or just ..well fell off the boat :) But were not right ONLY He is right. If Jesus said.. why say I am good there is only one that is good. It is ONLY by believing IN Christ what He said..John 3:16 that will save ANYONE and EVERYONE. So if you want to go to ANY Chruch YOU personally believe is right.. you are free to do so. In the end.. it is ONLY by Christ can we get in to Heaven. You feel you HAVE to work at it or not your choice. Again at some point you have to now JESUS IS REAL!

Again a 2nd thread with a word used that should never be used "hate" 7th day.. do believe different.. but if I was asked to judge them. When I was young we had a family living behind us that were 7th day. My dad that was not saved at the time LOVE to show them a ROCK that was millions years old... a pig skull. But.. never meet such nice loving people of God in my life. They shined JESUS.
 
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Not someone here surely ?

Not this someone. I object to their doctrinal errors and abuse of other denominations (SDAs are probably responsible for a plurality of threads attacking Roman Catholicism) but I have no hatred for them.
 
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So you believe that we are to simply ACCEPT 'false beliefs' as if they don't MATTER? And you call that 'sharing your love with your neighbor'? Hmmm...........

It's not about 'being perfect'. But it IS about 'perfect understanding'. How are you going to serve or follow that which you do not comprehend? But that is what you have indicated. That it's OK for everyone to believe whatever they CHOOSE to believe regardless of whether it's TRUTH or something else.

I would offer that you are remiss in any ATTEMPT to love your neighbor if you are unwilling to stand up for the TRUTH at ANY expense.

What you have indicated that it's MORE important that we try to be FRIENDS with our neighbors instead of actually sharing LOVE. If you truly LOVE someone you will do whatever you are able to HELP them. You have indicated that we should IGNORE love in favor of 'friendship'. And from my perspective, friendship that leads to DEATH instead of LIFE.

What if Christ or the apostles had chosen to be FRIENDS instead of sharing their love through the TRUTH?

Blessings,

MEC

wow, take 'er easy on the quotations, I'm having Chris Farley flashbacks

and, no, I didn't say that WE are to accept false beliefs, that is for each individual to study Scripture on for themselves, I'm saying as long as you believe the core faiths of salvation (Christ was the Son of God, fully God, fully man, died on the cross for our sins, was raised on the third day and ascended into heaven) that actually SAVE us, then the theological stuff matters LESS than the actual SALVATION OF SOULS

and do not pretend to know me or my realm of wisdom, knowledge and understanding

the gist of my post was this - QUIT ARGUING OVER EVERY LITTLE THING AND FREAKIN LOVE EACH OTHER....better? ;)

and just as an afterthought - Jesus did in fact call the apostles His friends -

9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17This is my command: Love each other.
 
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Not this someone. I object to their doctrinal errors and abuse of other denominations (SDAs are probably responsible for a plurality of threads attacking Roman Catholicism) but I have no hatred for them.
Well I'm prettty sure our grandfathers died to give us a right to speak freely, but I'm also sure in our wisdom we choose to be courteous and polite about other peoples beliefs don't we?
 
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The food laws had an added blessing.

Exo_15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
And you can poopoo the whole thing all you want., Bottom line, the research clearly shows that SDA who follow the health principles, live longer and healthier lives. Of those that are vegetarian, they live even longer and healthier. God instituted the idea of what to eat and what not to eat because, as our Creator, He knows what is best for us. It's not a matter of being unclean in body or not, it is a matter of what is healthier for us. We have a duty to take car of the temple that God has given us, it is His dwelling place. And just why wouldn't you want to live longer and healthier?

Like I said, change it however you want to make you feel better. I'm not the one clinging to it ;)
 
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I don't hate them.

Adventists believe Jesus is the archangel Michael. Which is not scriptural. Whether they are a cult or not I don't know.
As a former SDA, it is better to say not accurate, instead of not biblical, because they will say that they are biblical because they use the bible. All you have to do is show them Daniel 10 and ask them how can jesus be both micheal and the one speaking at the same time.
 
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On YouTube I watched how the SDA are a cult. According to my dictionary there is nothing wrong with being a cult.

Here the SDA defends itself:
This is really hard for me to see because, Doug Batchlor was responsable for me being baptized. He was at my baptizm and I have great respect for him as a minister, Just not as a theologian. The lord uses him to reach people and bring them to Christ, so I must be careful with what I say.
 
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The world has always hated God's Commandment keeping people because Satan, the prince of this world, hates God's Commandments, especially the 4th that identifies the seal of the Creator. It's no accident that the 4th Commandment is the 1 out of the 10 that is forgotten... the only one that begins with the word "Remember".


Please don't flatter yourself.

The Sabbath commandment has nothing to do with worship, but a rest from labour that extends even to one's servants, employees, and farm animals.

In the Tabernacle and Temples, and to this day in traditional synagogues, services are held TWICE DAILY every day.

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The Israelites avoided unclean foods but suffered worse diseases ultimately than the Egyptians did. WHY?


Where do you get that???

Deu 8:4 Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell, these forty years.
Deu 8:19 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.
Deu 8:20 As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.
Deu 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
Deu 11:17 And then the LORD'S wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.

When they followed God, they were blessed, when they didn't, they paid the price. Later they got to be loaded down with added burdens by the Pharisees that had not been commanded. By the time if Jesus, it was don't travel more than so many paces on the Sabbath and so on and Jesus had to correct them, but He also did more to the spirit of the law as He also increased it'd implication---like even if you look at a woman with lust, you have committee adultery.

However, even today, this tiny speck on the map of the world, a grain of sand in comparison, most of the world has tried to wipe out (since 1948) have not been able to. As a people, they do not add up to many---yet the world has not been able to wipe them off the face of the earth as they would like----Their cows today are considered the best, most productive cows in the world. Though smaller, they yield higher milk productions than ours.
They have a higher life expectancy than others all around them in spite of all those around them trying to kill them off.
 
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