Why do people blame calvinists ?

[Dave L]

You are close to becoming the first person I put on ignore.

You can be reprimanded for saying this. Be careful.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I am well aware that faith is given by God. But you have to believe to qualify for salvation, salvation is future tense after believing.

Once faith is given the freewill choice to respond or not respond must be made.

That might be where you and I differ. I believe Jesus gives His sheep Eternal Life, not temporary or conditional life. It is everlasting and He says nothing or no one can snatch away one of His sheep from His hands or the Fathers hands. He says of His sheep the will NEVER PERISH. There are so many other passages on Eternal Life which confirm the above teaching of Jesus in John 6. Paul in Romans 8 confirms the same idea as Jesus that nothing in this life can separate of from the Love of Christ. Paul says the same thing in Ephesian 1 where we are sealed(cannot be opened or removed)with the Holy Spirit as a down-payment, a guarantee/a pledge by God of our future inheritance. John tells us we can know/ be assured we have Eternal Life. Jesus says those with Eternal Life are not condemned but have passed from death into life. Paul says it like this there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

I could go on and on but hopefully that is sufficient to make the point regarding Eternal Life is permanent once received.

hope this helps !!!

 

[RickReads]

You can be reprimanded for saying this. Be careful.

It`s against the rules to put you on ignore?

 

[Dave L]

It`s against the rules to put you on ignore?

Check out the rules.

 

[RickReads]

That might be where you and I differ. I believe Jesus gives His sheep Eternal Life, not temporary or conditional life. It is everlasting and He says nothing or no one can snatch away one of His sheep from His hands or the Fathers hands. He says of His sheep the will NEVER PERISH. There are so many other passages on Eternal Life which confirm the above teaching of Jesus in John 6. Paul in Romans 8 confirms the same idea as Jesus that nothing in this life can separate of from the Love of Christ. Paul says the same thing in Ephesian 1 where we are sealed(cannot be opened or removed)with the Holy Spirit as a down-payment, a guarantee/a pledge by God of our future inheritance. John tells us we can know/ be assured we have Eternal Life. Jesus says those with Eternal Life are not condemned but have passed from death into life. Paul says it like this there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

I could go on and on but hopefully that is sufficient to make the point regarding Eternal Life is permanent once received.

hope this helps !!!

You are misunderstanding me. Let`s review the text.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

believing in the heart = faith

The salvation comes after "thou shalt" = future tense

Belief is the qualification = called

Salvation occurs after = chosen/recieve Holy Spirit

I made no reference to a temporary salvation. I don`t know how you got that impression.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

You are misunderstanding me. Let`s review the text.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

believing in the heart = faith

The salvation comes after "thou shalt" = future tense

Belief is the qualification = called

Salvation occurs after = chosen/recieve Holy Spirit

I made no reference to a temporary salvation. I don`t know how you got that impression.

Ok thanks for clearing that up Rick !

 

[RickReads]

Check out the rules.

I see no rule against putting you on ignore.

 

[Dave L]

You are misunderstanding me. Let`s review the text.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

believing in the heart = faith

The salvation comes after "thou shalt" = future tense

Belief is the qualification = called

Salvation occurs after = chosen/recieve Holy Spirit

I made no reference to a temporary salvation. I don`t know how you got that impression.

The difference between you and me is; you think God will save you if you recite this as an incantation. I say these things because God saved me.

 

[Dave L]

I see no rule against putting you on ignore.

Ask a moderator.

 

[RickReads]

Ask a moderator.

I probably don`t need to. Your remarks about my Catholic background and the creeds are rule violations.

 

[Petros2015]

Yet none of these acts could he do, except through the assistance of Divine Grace. But in his lapsed and sinful state, man is not capable, of and by himself, either to think, to will, or to do that which is really good; but it is necessary for him to be regenerated and renewed in his intellect, affections or will, and in all his powers, by God in Christ through the Holy Spirit, that he may be qualified rightly to understand, esteem, consider, will, and perform whatever is truly good. When he is made a partaker of this regeneration or renovation, I consider that, since he is delivered from sin, he is capable of thinking, willing and doing that which is good, but yet not without the continued aids of Divine Grace.”

Seems reasonable...
Man is lost
God finds Man
Man follows God
Man is saved
Man ->

vs
Man is lost
God doesn't find Man
Man ->

or
Man is lost
God finds Man
Man doesn't follow God
Man ->

I feel like if the word "Grace" was replaced with "food" or "meds" it might make more sense as analogy; Man starves or dies without it, it's not something he's even capable of recognizing how much he needs it until he's given the first dose.

 

[StillGods]

Does a cat need to choose to act like a cat? Born again people act like born again people because they are born again....new creatures.

are you born again?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

are you born again?

how does anyone personally know for sure they are born again ?

is there faith without evidence ?

 

[Dave L]

are you born again?

I became a believer based on experiencing Jesus in my heart. That turned me into a believer.

 

[StillGods]

how does anyone personally know for sure they are born again ?

is there faith without evidence ?

of course you can know, unless you're calvinist then you wont really know for sure

 

[StillGods]

I became a believer based on experiencing Jesus in my heart. That turned me into a believer.

yes or no is fine

 

[Dave L]

yes or no is fine

It's a lot more than theory and gambling on eternity.

 

[StillGods]

It's a lot more than theory and gambling on eternity.

no it's quite simple really.
can you say yes or no?

 

[Dave L]

no it's quite simple really.

How do you describe your inner experience if born again?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

of course you can know, unless you're calvinist then you wont really know for sure

are you saying there are no born again reformed believer in this world ?